[Archived] Phil Jones

[JAL]

My source, a certain ex-manager that Phil Jones has played under told me last week at our offices that Mr Jones is very happy at the club and has no qualms with the management having spoken to him only a "few days" ago.

Finally, are you that naive or stupid to believe that a manager will go up to his OWN player, whose probably been our best player since his return from injury and say "oh yeah you're not good enough to play for a CL side". I'm not sure whether you have noticed, but Kean came out early last week stating he expects a battle for his 2 star defenders, and a bid above our record transfer fee would be the starting point of a bidding war, that goes to shoiw how highly he rates him.

Perfectly honest, I don't think he is good enough for a CL team YET. He has the potential but still 1 or 2 seasons away from being CL quality IMO.

Every bit of it is true blue and white unfortunately.

The feeling young Phil is experiencing at the moment is that Kean is belittling him in a way thats undermining and destroying his confidence and in the end he will begin to believe Kean. Plus dont forget theres a sizeable proportion of the other players who do not like Stephen Kean as their manager.

[Bobby G]

BTW,

Just for clarification this is the same BPF who everyone including Nicko was praising in December/January time for the accuracy of his inside info about Venkys. But as soon as he began reporting negative matters about the same subjects, he was chastised and questioned. You cant pick and choose.

[JAL]

JAL.

It sounds like Phil is guaranteed to leave. At least we can look forward to him lifting the lid on the chaos at the club after he leaves.

It didn't stop him sighing a new contract, but regardless of that he will want to tell the truth about Kean so that the fans have the answers. He is a Blackburn fan afterall.

Either that or he will say what a fantastic time he had here (which is obviously a lie!)

Ha

Good one BuckyRover, Phil feels if Kean leaves, as is with Samba, then he will be more than happy to play for the club that hes always supported.

[Amo]

So point-blank I will ask you. Is everything rosy behind the scenes? Players happy/settled and satisfied with the direction under management and owners?

Key players have come out in support of the manager.

They backed the guy in charge and played for him.

That would suggest things aren't as calamitous as some would have you believe.

[Gav]

Well JAL you went out on a limb with that, but since you have no track record of breaking news, much like Kelbo and BPF, I will take your information as complete and utter bunkum (Thanks Den).

No disrespect intended to any of the above, but without evidence to support some rather outlandish claims recently, I’ll reserve judgement.

Maybe Nicko can tell us if the players don’t like the manager, and Phil Jones in particular.

[Tom]

BTW,

Just for clarification this is the same BPF who everyone including Nicko was praising in December/January time for the accuracy of his inside info about Venkys. But as soon as he began reporting negative matters about the same subjects, he was chastised and questioned. You cant pick and choose.

That's the one, the same one who said Mrs Desai was in London to sack Kean the day after Fulham when it was reported she was in India along with various other dubious statements. Let's not pretend that because someone has some good sources (and BPF has delivered on occasion) they are right about everything all the time.

Remember it's easy to make 'In the know' statements and then change them with the reasoning that something changed behind the scenes, enough people on here do that all the time.

[JAL]

Well JAL you went out on a limb with that, but since you have no track record of breaking news, much like Kelbo and BPF, I will take your information as complete and utter bunkum (Thanks Den).

No disrespect intended to any of the above, but without evidence to support some rather outlandish claims recently, I’ll reserve judgement.

Maybe Nicko can tell us if the players don’t like the manager, and Phil Jones in particular.

I'm sure we are all the same in that when we hear something that we dont want to hear or believe we then look to dismiss it immediately.

You've stood your ground well Gav sticking to your guns but i'm afraid this isnt bunkum. I'd love your beliefs to be right and all those negative comments regarding Rovers to be complete untruths.

[Gav]

I'm sure we are all the same in that when we hear something that we dont want to hear or believe we then look to dismiss it immediately.

You've stood your ground well Gav sticking to your guns but i'm afraid this isnt bunkum. I'd love your beliefs to be right and all those negative comments regarding Rovers to be complete untruths.

So far this tried and tested stance has yet to be proven wrong, and we've been putting up with rumour and scare tactics for 7 months now, so I'll stick with that stance for now.

Maybe Nicko being back on the site can shed some light on whats really happening.

[michaelthomas]

For the town of Blackburn and its young population, Phil Jones for me is THE, young male role model for the town, whilst Diana Vickers has to be THE young female role model for the town.

To lose Phil Jones is far more than just a simple footballing issue right now.

He is the image our Blackburn should be portraying!

Wow. For all the rubbish talked about on here, that has to be up there. Jesus christ.

[Tris]

I'm sure we are all the same in that when we hear something that we dont want to hear or believe we then look to dismiss it immediately.

No. The fact is - you (and a few others on here) DO want to hear and believe this sh!t. It's negative, it's against Kean and / or the owners, and you're using the internet to make sure as many other Rovers fans as possible hear it as well. Because that's what you want - you want fans to hate the manager, because you've decided you don't like him.

It's like a co-ordinated mud slinging exercise conducted by the likes of you, BPF and Kelbo under the pretence of having some "inside information" - throw enough and some will stick. However there is absolutely no evidence to suggest any of this crap is actually based on fact. It's absolutely pathetic.

[BuckyRover]

No. The fact is - you (and a few others on here) DO want to hear and believe this sh!t. It's negative, it's against Kean and / or the owners, and you're using the internet to make sure as many other Rovers fans as possible hear it as well. Because that's what you want - you want fans to hate the manager, because you've decided you don't like him.

It's like a co-ordinated mud slinging exercise conducted by the likes of you, BPF and Kelbo under the pretence of having some "inside information" - throw enough and some will stick. However there is absolutely no evidence to suggest any of this crap is actually based on fact. It's absolutely pathetic.

Indeed.

Occam's razor. If Jones leaves the most likely explanation is that he wants to step up to a bigger club. Not that Kean has been bullying him.

Otherwise why sign a new contract? He could have left for less money (hence making it more likely).

If it's true that the players took over the running of the team then why the **** haven't they come out and said this, as this would undermine the manager (who they hate) and get him sacked for the good of the club.

Any answers?

[Hughesy]

No. The fact is - you (and a few others on here) DO want to hear and believe this sh!t. It's negative, it's against Kean and / or the owners, and you're using the internet to make sure as many other Rovers fans as possible hear it as well. Because that's what you want - you want fans to hate the manager, because you've decided you don't like him.

It's like a co-ordinated mud slinging exercise conducted by the likes of you, BPF and Kelbo under the pretence of having some "inside information" - throw enough and some will stick. However there is absolutely no evidence to suggest any of this crap is actually based on fact. It's absolutely pathetic.

Ouch

[RevidgeBlue]

No. The fact is - you (and a few others on here) DO want to hear and believe this sh!t. It's negative, it's against Kean and / or the owners, and you're using the internet to make sure as many other Rovers fans as possible hear it as well. Because that's what you want - you want fans to hate the manager, because you've decided you don't like him.

It's like a co-ordinated mud slinging exercise conducted by the likes of you, BPF and Kelbo under the pretence of having some "inside information" - throw enough and some will stick. However there is absolutely no evidence to suggest any of this crap is actually based on fact. It's absolutely pathetic.

That post has needed making for many months. Well said Tris.

[Gav]

No. The fact is - you (and a few others on here) DO want to hear and believe this sh!t. It's negative, it's against Kean and / or the owners, and you're using the internet to make sure as many other Rovers fans as possible hear it as well. Because that's what you want - you want fans to hate the manager, because you've decided you don't like him.

It's like a co-ordinated mud slinging exercise conducted by the likes of you, BPF and Kelbo under the pretence of having some "inside information" - throw enough and some will stick. However there is absolutely no evidence to suggest any of this crap is actually based on fact. It's absolutely pathetic.

Well thats gone and done it, I was trying to be diplomatic

But that just about covers it

[imy9]

I am confused.

On the one hand certain posters are saying that it was the TEAM and not the manager who made key decisions during the key part of the season- even stating that they ignored what he said.

Then P Jones is humiliated in front of those same players and they did.... nothing?

Lets try another one: Venky's want to sell P Jones against his will in January, reality: Jones signs a new 5 year deal, why would you sign a 5 year deal if you were about to be sold against your will? More to the point why would Venky's offer a 5 year deal to a player who had 4 years left on his deal if they were looking to sell??

The majority of players who played so well at the end of the season are the same players who did not do it for Ince- why?

I have no insider sources but if people in the know could ask their sources the above questions it may clear up a few issues.. either that or we could ask our most reliable source Nicko if they are true.

[Mattyblue]

In all fairness, I think BPF does have some inside knowledge.

However, now it seems every bugger is 'in the know'.

[RevidgeBlue]

Every bit of it is true blue and white unfortunately.

The feeling young Phil is experiencing at the moment is that Kean is belittling him in a way thats undermining and destroying his confidence and in the end he will begin to believe Kean. Plus dont forget theres a sizeable proportion of the other players who do not like Stephen Kean as their manager.

I like to try and treat each and every "I hear" type claim on here separately and on its merits.

However I can't make any sense at all out of this particular claim.

So Phil Jones was happy being played out of position in midfield by Sam but feels that "Stephen" Kean who moved him back to his normal position is "belittling" him?

On on what basis do we all supposedly know the players don't like having Kean as their manager? It looked to me as though they rightly or wrongly rather liked having him as their manager during the last five games.

[Mattyblue]

Kean seems to me the 'positive thinking' type who has read too many management books

Seems highly unlikely that he would belittle one of his star performers in the dressing room. Especially as he doesn't have the presence of an experienced manager who could get away with that kind of stunt.

[Gav]

On on what basis do we all supposedly know the players don't like having Kean as their manager?

They don't need to like the manager Rev, but they do need to respect him, and clearly the players wanted to play for the manager, you could see that almost every time they took the pitch, bar a few notable examples, so its rubbish and should be treated as such until proved otherwise.

As for having a pop at Jones, that happens all the time in dressing rooms, and if Jones has thrown his dummy out because of that then he needs to get a grip, but as I suspect its complete and utter bunkum.

[Parsonblue]

No. The fact is - you (and a few others on here) DO want to hear and believe this sh!t. It's negative, it's against Kean and / or the owners, and you're using the internet to make sure as many other Rovers fans as possible hear it as well. Because that's what you want - you want fans to hate the manager, because you've decided you don't like him.

It's like a co-ordinated mud slinging exercise conducted by the likes of you, BPF and Kelbo under the pretence of having some "inside information" - throw enough and some will stick. However there is absolutely no evidence to suggest any of this crap is actually based on fact. It's absolutely pathetic.

Sounds exactly like the campaign that was waged against the previous manager by a few on this board.

[John]

Sounds exactly like the campaign that was waged against the previous manager by a few on this board.

A proven, successful manager too, some would say that behaviour was a bit odd....

[Gav]

Sounds exactly like the campaign that was waged against the previous manager by a few on this board.

Absolute cr@p Parsonblue.

People are making lies up about the current manager and owners, I never did that about Allardyce and don’t think anyone else did, we just didn’t like his football.

Telling lies lies and more lies to support arguments against Kean and Venkys is pathetic and I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular

[beanie]

Absolute cr@p Parsonblue.

People are making lies up about the current manager and owners, I never did that about Allardyce and don’t think anyone else did, we just didn’t like his football.

Telling lies lies and more lies to support arguments against Kean and Venkys is pathetic.

Don't forget he was being sold against his will and did not want to leave but demanded a release clause put in so he could leave cheap.

[BuckyRover]

A proven, successful manager too, some would say that behaviour was a bit odd....

I remember people not liking his style and his personality.

I don't remember people lying about what was going on inside the dressing room.

I stand to be corrected

[John]

I remember people not liking his style and his personality.

I don't remember people lying about what was going on inside the dressing room.

I stand to be corrected

People obviously did not like him saving us from relegation or ultimately his positive results either....(and his were actually positve results).