[Archived] Phil Jones

[JAL]

I like to try and treat each and every "I hear" type claim on here separately and on its merits.

However I can't make any sense at all out of this particular claim.

So Phil Jones was happy being played out of position in midfield by Sam but feels that "Stephen" Kean who moved him back to his normal position is "belittling" him?

On on what basis do we all supposedly know the players don't like having Kean as their manager? It looked to me as though they rightly or wrongly rather liked having him as their manager during the last five games.

No, thats not it Rev, whats happened to Phil Jones is not about playing as he'd play absolutely anywhere for his beloved Rovers, but the total lack of respect he feels that comes from his manager due to the open slagging offs hes had in front of everyone in the dressing rooms.

The feeling also is within many of the players, I repeat, is that they dont like Kean as a manager. If that doesnt make sense then someone more articulate please translate.

[BuckyRover]

People obviously did not like him saving us from relegation or ultimately his positive results either....(and his were actually positve results).

It's not the same thing though is it?

[JAL]

Kean seems to me the 'positive thinking' type who has read too many management books

Seems highly unlikely that he would belittle one of his star performers in the dressing room.

Dont talk rubbish matty blue!

[John]

Never said it was Bucky.

[Stuart]

You've both missed the point. You, and I, pay our money, but we get something in return. We pay for tickets or for merchandise - how would you feel about paying that same money but getting nothing in return for it? Because that is what you asking the Venky's to do.

So why buy a football club in the first place if you've no intention of seeing it succeed? Just go and mount a big ad campaign and open some Venkys fast food outlets. If there is nothing in it for football club owners why do they do it? Kudos and personal satisfaction.

But all I really want them to do is follow through on their promises. Not that unreasonable a request.

[JAL]

No. The fact is - you (and a few others on here) DO want to hear and believe this sh!t. It's negative, it's against Kean and / or the owners, and you're using the internet to make sure as many other Rovers fans as possible hear it as well. Because that's what you want - you want fans to hate the manager, because you've decided you don't like him.

It's like a co-ordinated mud slinging exercise conducted by the likes of you, BPF and Kelbo under the pretence of having some "inside information" - throw enough and some will stick. However there is absolutely no evidence to suggest any of this crap is actually based on fact. It's absolutely pathetic.

Well Tris, if he feels like hes being forced out of the club he loves, then I'll stand up for the lad, if no one else is prepared to offer the youngster some support.

[Tris]

Sounds exactly like the campaign that was waged against the previous manager by a few on this board.

A proven, successful manager too, some would say that behaviour was a bit odd....

That's the other problem with this MB at the moment. Alongside the bullsh!t brigade, there are a bunch of posters who have to turn every single thread into ANOTHER discussion about Sam Allardyce. These two posts have nothing whatsoever to do with this topic or any of the previous posts in it.

There are already 26 threads about Allardyce, why are you trying to make a 27th?

[cravenblue]

Im in spain and logged on for first time in a week, whats going on?

[JAL]

That's the other problem with this MB at the moment. Alongside the bullsh!t brigade, there are a bunch of posters who have to turn every single thread into ANOTHER discussion about Sam Allardyce. These two posts have nothing whatsoever to do with this topic or any of the previous posts in it.

There are already 26 threads about Allardyce, why are you trying to make a 27th?

Tris, the bullshit brigade run the club now, have you been away ?

[AggyBlue]

No. The fact is - you (and a few others on here) DO want to hear and believe this sh!t. It's negative, it's against Kean and / or the owners, and you're using the internet to make sure as many other Rovers fans as possible hear it as well. Because that's what you want - you want fans to hate the manager, because you've decided you don't like him.

It's like a co-ordinated mud slinging exercise conducted by the likes of you, BPF and Kelbo under the pretence of having some "inside information" - throw enough and some will stick. However there is absolutely no evidence to suggest any of this crap is actually based on fact. It's absolutely pathetic.

:lol:

Wind yer neck in and use ignore

[PAFELL]

BTW,

Just for clarification this is the same BPF who everyone including Nicko was praising in December/January time for the accuracy of his inside info about Venkys. But as soon as he began reporting negative matters about the same subjects, he was chastised and questioned. You cant pick and choose.

Well done for that reminder, people have short memories.

My position is that I have no confidence in either kean or venkys. That is my choice.

[super_arran]

No, thats not it Rev, whats happened to Phil Jones is not about playing as he'd play absolutely anywhere for his beloved Rovers, but the total lack of respect he feels that comes from his manager due to the open slagging offs hes had in front of everyone in the dressing rooms.

The feeling also is within many of the players, I repeat, is that they dont like Kean as a manager. If that doesnt make sense then someone more articulate please translate.

JAL, I'd love to know how you know all this, because usually you come across as pretty clueless.

So please, what's your source? Because personally; all I'm seeing is your imagination going wild.

[Gav]

JAL, I'd love to know how you know all this, because usually you come across as pretty clueless.

So please, what's your source? Because personally; all I'm seeing is your imagination going wild.

Can we have the + thingy back please?

+1

[PAFELL]

No. The fact is - you (and a few others on here) DO want to hear and believe this sh!t. It's negative, it's against Kean and / or the owners, and you're using the internet to make sure as many other Rovers fans as possible hear it as well. Because that's what you want - you want fans to hate the manager, because you've decided you don't like him.

It's like a co-ordinated mud slinging exercise conducted by the likes of you, BPF and Kelbo under the pretence of having some "inside information" - throw enough and some will stick. However there is absolutely no evidence to suggest any of this crap is actually based on fact. It's absolutely pathetic.

I have to ask Tris, what would their motives be. Why would people want to stir the pot? I do not think people just say they hate venkys or Kean without reason.

[Gav]

:lol:

Wind yer neck in and use ignore

[AggyBlue]

JAL, I'd love to know how you know all this, because usually you come across as pretty clueless.

So please, what's your source? Because personally; all I'm seeing is your imagination going wild.

Can we have the minus thingy back please

-1

[PAFELL]

Absolute cr@p Parsonblue.

People are making lies up about the current manager and owners, I never did that about Allardyce and don’t think anyone else did, we just didn’t like his football.

Telling lies lies and more lies to support arguments against Kean and Venkys is pathetic and I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular

Out of curiosity what lies are these? I Do not recall reading any!!!!!!!!

[PAFELL]

No, thats not it Rev, whats happened to Phil Jones is not about playing as he'd play absolutely anywhere for his beloved Rovers, but the total lack of respect he feels that comes from his manager due to the open slagging offs hes had in front of everyone in the dressing rooms.

The feeling also is within many of the players, I repeat, is that they dont like Kean as a manager. If that doesnt make sense then someone more articulate please translate.

This is the first I've heard that one?????????

[Gav]

Out of curiosity what lies are these? I Do not recall reading any!!!!!!!!

Try this one, a starter for 10:

Kean being sacked in London by Mrs D after the Fulham match, now lets not debate this because it was complete and utter BUNKUM, so much so the NOTW had to publish an apology, so no amount of spin can change the fact it was bunkum.

[imy9]

Out of curiosity what lies are these? I Do not recall reading any!!!!!!!!

A couple of starters:

1. Venkys are cutting community projects- Phillip and another poster.

2. Venkys are selling Jones without his consent- gave him a 5 year deal.

3. Venkys are firing Kean and Mrs Desai in London to do it- she was not in London and have said all along he is not to be fired.

4. Jerome Anderson has the biggest office at Brockhall and is running the show, he then was sent away with the family angry at being deceived- according to Nicko he was in an office to conduct business during the busy transfer business- it ended, he left.

5. Kean fell out with EHD and sent him away- fact he was not going to start and Kean wanted to give Hoilett a chance.

Is that enough, I can continue this is a weekly occurrence of myths and rumours being presented as facts.

[Mattyblue]

Try this one, a starter for 10:

Kean being sacked in London by Mrs D after the Fulham match, now lets not debate this because it was complete and utter BUNKUM, so much so the NOTW had to publish an apology, so no amount of spin can change the fact it was bunkum.

How do you know that was BUNKUM? Newspapers print apologies like that all the time, usually because they have been threarened with legal action- doesn't mean it wasn't true, just no proof.

[super_arran]

How do you know that was BUNKUM? Newspapers print apologies like that all the time, usually because they have been threarened with legal action- doesn't mean it wasn't true, just no proof.

Proof - Steve Kean is still the manager of Rovers....

[Mattyblue]

Proof - Steve Kean is still the manager of Rovers....

Proof that she didn't go through with the sacking, no proof that she wasn't in London or that he wasn't under threat.

[super_arran]

Proof that she didn't go through with the sacking, no proof that she wasn't in London or that he wasn't under threat.

Pretty sure there was an announcement or article that pretty much said that she was nowhere near London and Kean wasn't under threat.

But, believe what you want. He's still in the job.

[Gav]

How do you know that was BUNKUM? Newspapers print apologies like that all the time, usually because they have been threarened with legal action- doesn't mean it wasn't true, just no proof.

You're not being serious, so I'm not taking the bait, come on Matty