[Archived] Phil Jones

[Hughesy]

Id rather he goes to Arsenal personally, but least of all I would want Dalglish taking our players.

Its a shame this clause was set too low. Bottoms up to the genius who agreed to it being so low.

Same genius who set Bellamys at £7m??

Arsenal why? Id rather that if a player was mugging us off with the 'I want to win trophies and play at the top & for england' line that they went to a club were it will actually happen. Not Arsenal or Liverpool.

[Bobby G]

Bellamy wouldnt have joined us otherwise. BIG DIFFERENCE when you are negotiating for a player to join you than when you are negotiating to renew someone's contract and thus the ball is in YOUR court.

[Hughesy]

Bellamy wouldnt have joined us otherwise. BIG DIFFERENCE when you are negotiating for a player to join you than when you are negotiating to renew someone's contract and thus the ball is in YOUR court.

Big difference?? No he would have just not signed an extended contract, giving us less protection and possibly a lower release fee.

ALL good players have release fee's - at 19 and when he had only featured in about 20 1st team games - £16m is high!

[RibbleValleyRover]

I just don't buy into this talk about there being a release clause for younger players being standard practice, well not in English football if that was the case then there would be loads of details in the press about them everytime a younger player was being targetted by another club. I suspect the clause was added whe he signed a new deal but wasn't present in his previous contract.

Just out of curiosity How long did Phil have left on his previous contract?

[Hughesy]

Just out of curiosity How long did Phil have left on his previous contract?

Summer 2010 - Turn down Arsenal bid of £8-10m

May 2010 – 5 year deal signed

Jan 2011 - Dismiss Chelsea interest

Feb 2011 – 1 year extension added

[beerwins]

Vinjay just slit his throat.

Long overdue.

[den]

Big difference?? No he would have just not signed an extended contract, giving us less protection and possibly a lower release fee.

ALL good players have release fee's - at 19 and when he had only featured in about 20 1st team games - £16m is high!

ALL GOOD PLAYERS Hughesy? "he would have just not signed an extended contract"? There's a lot of guessing, masquerading as fact going on there.

Like I said earlier, release clauses, or lack of them is down to how good the clubs negotiators are. Whether a player decides to give it another year is quite frequently down to how good the manager is at his job.

If a club is genuinely ambitious, then in my opinion, release clauses must be kept to an absolute minimum - and we seem to have suffered more than most in recent years. One major problem is that when you begin to insert release clauses, everyone will want one. Imagine RSC coming away from his contract negotiations and other players asking how he went on. He's going to say that he got a good pay rise, but he's also got a release clause and can leave whenever he wants. There isn't a player who isn't going to think "I'll have a bit of that" - is there. I suppose my point is that clubs should be keeping these kind of contracts to an absolute minimum - and we don't seem to have done.

[Hughesy]

ALL GOOD PLAYERS Hughesy? "he would have just not signed an extended contract"? There's a lot of guessing, masquerading as fact going on there.

Like I said earlier, release clauses, or lack of them is down to how good the clubs negotiators are. Whether a player decides to give it another year is quite frequently down to how good the manager is at his job.

If a club is genuinely ambitious, then in my opinion, release clauses must be kept to an absolute minimum - and we seem to have suffered more than most in recent years.

Players agents are not daft, they know when they have a talent, they know when clubs have sounded them out about their talent in the past – hence why they get the clauses put in. Arsenal made an official bid last summer for starters, so no doubt others had been in touch prior to that.

Consider Jones’ position, last summer people were saying he was the ‘new terry’ – yet he signs a 5 year deal at little Blackburn, a club with no money and some people tipping for relegation, would he not want a get-out clause in there?? Or would the ‘new terry’ want to play in the lower leagues for the next 4 years??

It seems pretty obvious that the clause was in there prior to the new owners if you’re not being biased and look at it from a business point of view (which the agent does).

As for a minimum - in the future I totally agree if we now are no longer a selling club, although some foreign players of a better standard will always ask for them as a 'get out' clause. We just need to ensure we set them high enough for younger talents.

[Silencio]

ALL GOOD PLAYERS Hughesy? "he would have just not signed an extended contract"? There's a lot of guessing, masquerading as fact going on there.

Like I said earlier, release clauses, or lack of them is down to how good the clubs negotiators are. Whether a player decides to give it another year is quite frequently down to how good the manager is at his job.

If a club is genuinely ambitious, then in my opinion, release clauses must be kept to an absolute minimum - and we seem to have suffered more than most in recent years. One major problem is that when you begin to insert release clauses, everyone will want one. Imagine RSC coming away from his contract negotiations and other players asking how he went on. He's going to say that he got a good pay rise, but he's also got a release clause and can leave whenever he wants. There isn't a player who isn't going to think "I'll have a bit of that" - is there. I suppose my point is that clubs should be keeping these kind of contracts to an absolute minimum - and we don't seem to have done.

Good point but I don't have a massive problem with them providing they are put in at a price which suits the club. We had good service from Duff and to get that + 17 million was ok with me. RSC at 17 million was fine.

Jones at 16 million when it was clear last year how good he was is absolutely shocking...

[den]

Players agents are not daft, they know when they have a talent, they know when clubs have sounded them out about their talent in the past – hence why they get the clauses put in. Arsenal made an official bid last summer for starters, so no doubt others had been in touch prior to that.

Consider Jones’ position, last summer people were saying he was the ‘new terry’ – yet he signs a 5 year deal at little Blackburn, a club with no money and some people tipping for relegation, would he not want a get-out clause in there?? Or would the ‘new terry’ want to play in the lower leagues for the next 4 years??

It seems pretty obvious that the clause was in there prior to the new owners if you’re not being biased and look at it from a business point of view (which the agent does).

As for a minimum - in the future I totally agree if we now are no longer a selling club, although some foreign players of a better standard will always ask for them as a 'get out' clause. We just need to ensure we set them high enough for younger talents.

I know all that Hughesy. I asked why we seemingly give them out like confetti, unlike other clubs in our position? Does Jordan Henderson have a clause? Did Andy Carroll have a clause? - both very promising youngsters at clubs outside the top 4 or 5 clubs.

At some point, the club has to get wiser over these clauses.

[Pete1981]

From Andy Cryer

CryerRovers Andrew Cryer

Looks like Phil Jones situation might be moving. Nothing official yet

[dave birch]

If I were Phil Jones, I'd be wetting myself from laughing at the histrionics on this website.

ATM, he's a Rovers player with a fairly long contract.

When that changes, certainly, go on an extended rant, until then, remain cool.

[jrabrfc]

Phil Jones is trending on Twitter right now.

[RoyRover]

I'll be gutted if we sell Phil Jones. I really thought we would be able to hang onto him for a few more seasons and then get top dollar for him. As it is, the idea of getting £16 million for one of the best players we've produced is sickening, especially when you see Jordan Henderson going for £20 million. Maybe a bidding war will start and we will get more for him. Obviously whenever Phil Jones signed a new contract, he and his people wanted a release clause put in, knowing that there would be interest in this very talented player. In agreeing to it, Rovers should have demanded that the fee was £20 million+. As it is, it looks like we are under selling ourselves yet again.

It will be interesting to see how our transfer funds work out if we sell him. We were told that there was going to be significant investment in the squad, more so than anything in the recent past. We were also told how we would be hanging onto our best players. So going by what we've been told, any funds coming from the potential sale of Phil Jones should supplement what is supposed to be available already. If it turns out that we just have the Jones money to spend, then yet again we've been lied to, as it will be obvious that we didn't have the money promised in the first place and the only way to get it would be to sell one of our best players.

So much for not being a selling club Venkys.

[67splitscreen]

Jones at Melwood, Don't think Pearce would be to happy if he missed the flight with his team mates to Denmark today.

[rog of the rovers]

If/When Jones leaves.

I think I'd prefer him to go to Man United.

At least then, we are losing him to the biggest club in the country, if not the world.

I'm still not convinced by Liverpool, the new owners, Kenny, the weight of expectation this season, Carroll, I can just see it ending in tears.

[Clitherover]

Maybe a bidding war will start and we will get more for him.

Impossible, there's a £16M clause in place, all bids that match that have to be accepted.

[PAFELL]

If/When Jones leaves.

I think I'd prefer him to go to Man United.

At least then, we are losing him to the biggest club in the country, if not the world.

I'm still not convinced by Liverpool, the new owners, Kenny, the weight of expectation this season, Carroll, I can just see it ending in tears.

If he has to go, I would rather he went to Chelsea and we got sturridge as part of the deal.

[67splitscreen]

Chill, if the U21's reach the final stages it will be weeks before anyone gets a chance to speak with Jones.

[b12_simon]

Impossible, there's a £16M clause in place, all bids that match that have to be accepted.

No. Jones is allowed to talk to clubs matching the release clause. That is all.

The sky is not falling. Yet.

[Ferrit]

Can't even get odds on Phil Jones being at Blackburn at the start of next season. Must be long then? Might be worth a couple of quid just in case

[davulsukur]

From Skysports:

Editor:

Stand by for a further update on Phil Jones' future - and it may come as something of a shock to Liverpool fans

[OscarRaven]

No. Jones is allowed to talk to clubs matching the release clause. That is all.

The sky is not falling. Yet.

The original poster is correct, Phil Jones can move (not just talk) to any club that bids £16M. There is no prospect of an auction for Rovers, merely Phil Jones (via personal terms).

[Hughesy]

If he has to go, I would rather he went to Chelsea and we got sturridge as part of the deal.

It would be my ideal signing too - but I think at his age, its unlikely (local roots and family/ missus). Also they are managerless at the moment so its abit of a stall down there.

From Skysports:

Editor:

Stand by for a further update on Phil Jones' future - and it may come as something of a shock to Liverpool fans

They still about 24 hours behind??

[davulsukur]

Skys big news:

Editor:

Sky Sports sources understand Phil Jones is not heading for Anfield but is in fact having a medical ahead of signing a five-year deal with Manchester United. We'll bring you more details as we get them.