[Archived] Phil Jones

[Mattyblue]

No other club EVER mocks their own players? Get real.

Tottenham fans ironically cheer everytime Gomez catches the ball, Konchesky was booed and heckled off at Liverpool. Eboue was booed at Arsenal.

All out of order but not exactly a Rovers issue. Not got a clue why you are pursuing this.

[Jim Royle]

There's voices your concerns and then there's treating a player like no other fans of any other club does to their own players. There's a definite difference.

Look if you think the way we treat Keith isn't going to affect others players opinion of us fans, then you must be insane. Of course it will. It's going to make any decision to leave all that much easier. This really isn't rocket science.

I'm with you on this Jonnoboy

I hate to hear our players booed, singled out by being booed before the game has started, booed before they have come off the bench

Fans chanting 4-4-2 etc

If, If they have to boo why Keith? Its not as if Keith doesn't put in the effort = he plays to best of his ability!, whereas somebody like Benny Mc who has the talent but no effort was lorded!

Our "fans" are not supporters, they have gotten spoilt over the years by watching prem league footy for absolute naff all money - what is the cheapest season ticket £250?

I love BRFC, but do not love our fans - they have forgotten our roots

[J*B]

I trust once you have calmed down you will retract this remark.

Who do I prefer:

Phil Jones, Manchester United centre back.

Keith Andrews, Blackburn Rovers central midfielder.

Phil Jones will never be Blue and White again. He hasn't been forced out like David Dunn, he has chosen to leave the club he "supports", in the time when we need him the most.

Keith Andrews is currently a player for Blackburn Rovers, who although, in my opinion, isn't up to standards, does seem to try.

Andrews everytime, Viva Keith Andrews.

[BRFC95]

There's voices your concerns and then there's treating a player like no other fans of any other club does to their own players. There's a definite difference.

Look if you think the way we treat Keith isn't going to affect others players opinion of us fans, then you must be insane.

I'm sure the players realise it's only a small minority and not the fan base as a whole.

[OhmiBRFC]

That's right they turn up week after week. They deserve to treat the players just how they want to, regardless of how fickle and childish it looks. Who cares what the players think or how it affects them on the pitch. These fans turn up week after week, it doesn't matter.

That's all well and good, just don't come crying when our decent players leave though.

So one player gets booed by a minority and suddenly no Blackburn Rovers fans are loyal? Give it a rest. We will still be at Ewood next season. The so called 'Fan' won't be.

[chris]

Yep, and all I've ever wanted is to play for Blackburn Rovers, I know crazy ay?

lol ok well if you would have made it you might have had a Le Tissier career where as Jones is probably going for the Roy Keane career.

[47er]

I've not got sources. The only info I've actually given is that Phil Jones is a Blackburn fan, and his dad is an even bigger one. Hardly ground braking info.

I take it haven't read my other posts. Please do. I didn't say Phil Jones left because we booed Keith. He went to get Premier League medals.

Booing Keith probably made it a much easier decision though. I'm guessing that would be true with most, if not all, our players. This isn't rocket science.

I remember you! You were the one who told us (many times) that Andrews must be a good player because 2 managers kept picking him! You're not going to revisit that line of argument are you?

[philip369]

I'm with Jonno on this.

Keith is the reason Phil is leaving.

He's realised that with Keith in the squad BRFC we will never compete at the top end of the PL.

[davulsukur]

We've moved into the cutting our own nose off to spite our face I see, should any future opportunity arise of course.

The irony is Keith will still get booed of course, regardless of him still being our player. Hey, ho, we've only got the tools we have at our disposal I suppose. Tools being the apt word.

Rovers fans shouldn't boo their own players though, don't you see that.

So if there's no loyalty with the fans, why should we bleat if there's no loyalty with the players either. If the players are fans themseleves then they are just acting exactly like the fans - with zero loyalty.

If we want loyalty then we clearly have to show it ourselves, otherwise it counts for nothing.

For the record, i have never boo'ed Keith but..

..he is gash. It acutally pains me just as much to see him in the starting 11, as it has watching Jones leave for Man Utd.

I can understand some fans frustrations at having him in the team. If they feel the need to boo him, then thats up to them.

[Mattyblue]

I'm with you on this Jonnoboy

I hate to hear our players booed, singled out by being booed before the game has started, booed before they have come off the bench

Fans chanting 4-4-2 etc

If, If they have to boo why Keith? Its not as if Keith doesn't put in the effort = he plays to best of his ability!, whereas somebody like Benny Mc who has the talent but no effort was lorded!

Our "fans" are not supporters, they have gotten spoilt over the years by watching prem league footy for absolute naff all money - what is the cheapest season ticket £250?

I love BRFC, but do not love our fans - they have forgotten our roots

Complete and utter b001ocks. A small minority of people boo Andrews and we are 'spoilt', 'disloyal'.

[ABBEY]

I've not got sources. The only info I've actually given is that Phil Jones is a Blackburn fan, and his dad is an even bigger one. Hardly ground braking info.

I take it haven't read my other posts. Please do. I didn't say Phil Jones left because we booed Keith. He went to get Premier League medals.

Booing Keith probably made it a much easier decision though. I'm guessing that would be true with most, if not all, our players. This isn't rocket science.

Your insinuating he left because fans booed Andrews..if not WHY mention it? Its not rocket science

[Mattyblue]

lol ok well if you would have made it you might have had a Le Tissier career where as Jones is probably going for the Roy Keane career.

No, I'd have had a career at my beloved Blackburn Rovers and experienced life in Spain and Italy.

Pull on that red shirt? NEVER.

[Jonnolad]

No other club EVER mocks their own players? Get real.

I didn't say they didn't. It happens all the time. But let's be honest it's no where near like Keith.

If you can think of a regular player at any club, who has been there for years, who's scored goals, who gives 110% every week, and gets treated like Keith does, then let's hear who it is.

That's what's important. To the players anyway, when they are sailing off to another club, happy in the knowledge that they are only as loyal as the fans themselves.

[Mattyblue]

Come off it jonno, you HONESTLY believe, that even for a second Keith Andrews treatment by Rovers fans came into Phil Jones' decision making process?

[Jonnolad]

Your insinuating he left because fans booed Andrews..if not WHY mention it? Its not rocket science

The good thing about you people is you don't read the same answer which already covers your point, it means I can just cut and paste:

I take it haven't read my other posts. Please do. I didn't say Phil Jones left because we booed Keith. He went to get Premier League medals.

Booing Keith probably made it a much easier decision though. I'm guessing that would be true with most, if not all, our players. This isn't rocket science.

[47er]

I didn't say they didn't. It happens all the time. But let's be honest it's no where near like Keith.

If you can think of a regular player at any club, who has been there for years, who's scored goals, who gives 110% every week, and gets treated like Keith does, then let's hear who it is.

That's what's important. To the players anyway, when they are sailing off to another club, happy in the knowledge that they are only as loyal as the fans themselves.

You are revisiting it ! You've taken months off and recharged your batteries!

[Jonnolad]

So one player gets booed by a minority and suddenly no Blackburn Rovers fans are loyal? Give it a rest. We will still be at Ewood next season. The so called 'Fan' won't be.

See, I can just cut and paste:

Do you go to the match much? Do you think the cheers for Keith overpower the boos? Are the boos louder than the cheers? Are there many cheers?

We appear completely fickle as fans. Spoilt children deciding who should play or not based on fairly ignorant opinions. That's how it will actually appear to the players. That's the truth whether we like it or not.

I can't think of another set of Premier League fans who act the same way with one of their players as we do with Keith. It's certainly food for thought. Certainly if we want to retain players on the basis of loyalty.

[Gav]

VINJAY

[Inta Beaver]

I can't think of another set of Premier League fans who act the same way with one of their players as we do with Keith. It's certainly food for thought. Certainly if we want to retain players on the basis of loyalty.[/i]

Didnt a section of Liverpool fans used to boo Lucas?

[Jonnolad]

Come off it jonno, you HONESTLY believe, that even for a second Keith Andrews treatment by Rovers fans came into Phil Jones' decision making process?

Let's say this:

Let's say you are a footballer. Every single day you are with the same people. They are your mates; your team mates. You see these players yourself, every single day. You know how good they are. You know the reason the manager is picking them. You applaud them when they get called up for international duty. You are chuffed for them when they score goals and do well. They are your mates after all.

Say every two weeks though, just for 90 minutes, you see the same player, the same team mate, when he plays for his supposed home club, when he gives it his all - he still gets booed even before he's kicked a ball. Is that going to be a positive influence on team spirit when you see a team mate be treated in that way?

Are you honestly suggesting that wouldn't affect their opinion of the fans. Are you for real?

[OhmiBRFC]

See, I can just cut and paste:

Do you go to the match much? Do you think the cheers for Keith overpower the boos? Are the boos louder than the cheers? Are there many cheers?

We appear completely fickle as fans. Spoilt children deciding who should play or not based on fairly ignorant opinions. That's how it will actually appear to the players. That's the truth whether we like it or not.

I can't think of another set of Premier League fans who act the same way with one of their players as we do with Keith. It's certainly food for thought. Certainly if we want to retain players on the basis of loyalty.

Your point isn't valid though. So because fans don't cheer player they are not loyal. Can't win can we? You're talking crap, just accept it. There are plenty of loyal fans at BRFC. You just choose not to see it. What about the people who spend a sizeable part of their income going to every home & away game. Are they not loyal? Or the ones travelling to Hong Kong in July? Can we presume none of them are loyal?

[Mattyblue]

Are you?

I'm sure Jones thought 'christ, some football fans really are planks', just like the majority of Rovers fans think.

Nothing more.

[Jonnolad]

Didnt a section of Liverpool fans used to boo Lucas?

Like we do with Keith? No chance.

[Exiled_Rover]

Jones signing Manchester United shirts outside the U21 training ground. What a classy young man the Jones' have raised.

[Jonnolad]

Are you?

I'm sure Jones thought 'christ, some football fans really are planks', just like the majority of Rovers fans think.

Nothing more.

That would of course be the best case scenario.

The fact is that there are very few cheers and lots more boos though. For the players therefore it's not going to appear a minority.

If you think the players don't notice or whatever, that's great. But it's not living in the real world of how people actually think - the players that is.