[Archived] Phil Jones

[Emge]

Link please....

Its all over twitter right now. But cant seem to find where it came from. Hope its not true

[slough_rover]

Found this quote online.

"If I wanted my career to continue with no trophies I'd just stay at Blackburn'' Jones on why he turned down moves to Liverpool and Arsenal."

Obviously made up by a Man U fan to take the pish out of their rivals.

[j166429]

Possible problem with Jones' transfer....?????

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/927133/phil-jones-valued-by-rovers-at-L25m,-not-L16m-?cc=5739

[Exiled_Rover]

Possible problem with Jones' transfer....?????

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/927133/phil-jones-valued-by-rovers-at-L25m,-not-L16m-?cc=5739

Oh god I hope so. Bleed them dry.

[AggyBlue]

Oh god I hope so. Bleed them dry.

25M sounds about right,

So have Rovers been clever with the wording of the clause and Jones's agent missed it?

[BuckyRover]

25M sounds about right,

So have Rovers been clever with the wording of the clause and Jones's agent missed it?

Why we gave him a new contract?

To get rid of the clause?

[Exiled_Rover]

25M sounds about right,

So have Rovers been clever with the wording of the clause and Jones's agent missed it?

As I've said in the transfer thread, hopefully Anderson has played an absolute blinder (like the sleezy @#/? he is) and Jones' agent/Manchester United have been had.

[Rover Down Under]

There's obviously the unevenly playing field as well. What can any team apart from the major ones really hope to achieve in a season. A good cup run? Not get relegated? As my wife pointed out, it's like a game of monopoly where someone starts out with all the money.

I like the Monopoly analogy but therein lies another ridiculous thing about the game today - how in God's name is a club (company) that is reportedly over a quarter of a BILLION pounds in debt allowed to even spend one pound in the transfer market? Hope these latest reports about the fee are correct.

[True Blue & White]

If true, Jones' agent will be getting his P45 I suspect.

[super_arran]

The best thing in my eyes is not only would we get more money or maybe even keep Jones at the club.

It's the screwing over of United that will make me extemely happy

[67splitscreen]

If true, Jones' agent will be getting his P45 I suspect.

Maybe be what Nicko was alluding to this morning, those responsible running for cover.

Tin hats for sale at your local Army & Navy.

[USABlue]

SAd to see him go, is it a coincidence our upturn came about the time he returned. 16 MIll is way too cheap given some of the money I've seen bandied around. Hopefully 20 Mil will come our way but somehow I doubt it.

[Steve Moss]

As I've said in the transfer thread, hopefully Anderson has played an absolute blinder (like the sleezy @#/? he is) and Jones' agent/Manchester United have been had.

I really hope Anderson earns his pounds on this deal. If he does, he may graduate to "he's a b!@#ard but he's our b!@#ard" status.

[Paul]

Possible problem with Jones' transfer....?????

http://soccernet.esp...t-L16m-?cc=5739

I wouldn't get too excited about this as it creates a real problem. IF Utd refuse to increase the offer we have little choice but to stand by our £25m valuation. To do anything else puts us in a weak position fir the future - Blackburn will cave in eventually.

If Utd don't match the £25m, and if they think they've been screwed may well walk away, we will be left with a young player whose dreams have been shattered. Who is he going to blame? The club.

If this is true rather than being clever management I would say it is crass stupidity. If someone tried to screw me in this manner in business I'd simply show them the door. This sort if action is not to be praised it's rank stupidity and if true would reflect very badly on the club, management and owners.

If it goes wrong we are in a very difficult situation. Further proof if the type of people running Rovers these days IF it is correct.

[joey_big_nose]

I wouldn't get too excited about this as it creates a real problem. IF Utd refuse to increase the offer we have little choice but to stand by our £25m valuation. To do anything else puts us in a weak position fir the future - Blackburn will cave in eventually.

If Utd don't match the £25m, and if they think they've been screwed may well walk away, we will be left with a young player whose dreams have been shattered. Who is he going to blame? The club.

If this is true rather than being clever management I would say it is crass stupidity. If someone tried to screw me in this manner in business I'd simply show them the door. This sort if action is not to be praised it's rank stupidity and if true would reflect very badly on the club, management and owners.

If it goes wrong we are in a very difficult situation. Further proof if the type of people running Rovers these days IF it is correct.

I'm not worried about that scenario at all because Utd, CIty, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs all fancy Jones. One of them will take him at the higher price. We will get 20m + if the story about the contract is true. Rovers come out richer.

I think the scenario of Jones being stuck at Rovers is incredibly unlikely. Everyone knows that Jones is easily worth 20m+ at todays prices, he is an outstanding prospect, and the league is very cash rich at the moment.

[S15]

I wouldn't get too excited about this as it creates a real problem. IF Utd refuse to increase the offer we have little choice but to stand by our £25m valuation. To do anything else puts us in a weak position fir the future - Blackburn will cave in eventually.

If Utd don't match the £25m, and if they think they've been screwed may well walk away, we will be left with a young player whose dreams have been shattered. Who is he going to blame? The club.

If this is true rather than being clever management I would say it is crass stupidity. If someone tried to screw me in this manner in business I'd simply show them the door. This sort if action is not to be praised it's rank stupidity and if true would reflect very badly on the club, management and owners.

If it goes wrong we are in a very difficult situation. Further proof if the type of people running Rovers these days IF it is correct.

Jesus, so the club can't win really can they Paul?

Sell for £16m, and we're selling ourselves cheap. Hold out for what we want and we're 'shattering' our player's dreams. If there is a clause stating that a £16m bid allows a player to talk to another club, then that's what happened. Why should the owners be frowned upon for abiding to the terms of the player's contract, but for also holding out for the sum of money we all know Jones is worth?

[FourLaneBlue]

If this is true, Rovers won't hold out for the full 25 mill, but will agree at about 20 mill. United will be happy enough - having beaten off both Arsenal and Liverpool - and Rovers fans will have to admit that that kind of money for a kid who has barely one full season under his belt is silly money.

Fans only have loyalty to players who are playing well for their time. If they hit a bad patch, they only have a certain amount of time before boos happen. Ryan Giggs was booed at Old Trafford not so many years ago. This is the guy that has now played more United games than anybody else in history, not mention winning more trophies. Rovers fans booed Shearer, booed Souness. It happens. The fans will make a million and one lame excuses as to why it should be so, but it all comes down to the reality that fans are only loyal to players if those players either do exactly what the fans want,or the fans can feel sympathy for them for not excelling due to some misfortune.

There is no loyalty in football except from fans to their club. Other than that, we kid ourselves and they kid us.

We, as a club, stand to make what...over 15 million from Phil Jones? Funny to hear all the nashing of teeth on here when Jones has, financially, been a better fan of Rovers than all of us put together in our LIFETIME!

Those feeling sad...get over it. It has happened before, and will happen again. Such is football. The real question is...why the hell do we put ourselves through this crap again and again?

[Stuart]

Jesus, so the club can't win really can they Paul?

Sell for £16m, and we're selling ourselves cheap. Hold out for what we want and we're 'shattering' our player's dreams. If there is a clause stating that a £16m bid allows a player to talk to another club, then that's what happened. Why should the owners be frowned upon for abiding to the terms of the player's contract, but for also holding out for the sum of money we all know Jones is worth?

Agree with this.

After seeing him sign a ManU shirt BEFOREhis deal is done, I care not one jot for his 'dreams'.

He will definitely leave now so let's get the maximum for whoever wants him the most. I'd actually be very pleased if Kenny gets revenge for the Roy Keane debacle!

[Paul Mellelieu]

So I randomly look at the dvd case for Goodbye Lenin .....

Great film.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

I wouldn't get too excited about this as it creates a real problem. IF Utd refuse to increase the offer we have little choice but to stand by our £25m valuation. To do anything else puts us in a weak position fir the future - Blackburn will cave in eventually.

If Utd don't match the £25m, and if they think they've been screwed may well walk away, we will be left with a young player whose dreams have been shattered. Who is he going to blame? The club.

If this is true rather than being clever management I would say it is crass stupidity. If someone tried to screw me in this manner in business I'd simply show them the door. This sort if action is not to be praised it's rank stupidity and if true would reflect very badly on the club, management and owners.

If it goes wrong we are in a very difficult situation. Further proof if the type of people running Rovers these days IF it is correct.

Can't see that situation happening due to the level of interest in the lad.

Hands up, I went ballistic when I heard we'd sold for £16 mil, thought someone had dropped a huge one. Fair play and hats off if we manage to drag United upto £20+ million. It's bizarre but also quite hilarious. Nice to see United squirm for once. Even funnier if he had to sign for the scousers.

Wonder how much you'd get on ebay for those signed United shirts if that happened?

[67splitscreen]

Agent to blame surely just as Givets was, always read the micro print. Twice.

[broadsword]

Jesus, so the club can't win really can they Paul?

Sell for £16m, and we're selling ourselves cheap. Hold out for what we want and we're 'shattering' our player's dreams. If there is a clause stating that a £16m bid allows a player to talk to another club, then that's what happened. Why should the owners be frowned upon for abiding to the terms of the player's contract, but for also holding out for the sum of money we all know Jones is worth?

We're in a very weak position.

We've let him agree terms with Man Utd, have his medical then we're going to ask Man Utd for £9m more than they've offered to pay?

Ridiculous. There's no way the player's coming back to Ewood now, and there's no way we're going to get the money we want.

Rank bad business. Amateur night.

[S15]

We're in a very weak position.

We've let him agree terms with Man Utd, have his medical then we're going to ask Man Utd for £9m more than they've offered to pay?

Ridiculous. There's no way the player's coming back to Ewood now, and there's no way we're going to get the money we want.

Rank bad business. Amateur night.

So Man Utd did all that work without actually doing their research into what the actual stipulations of this 'clause' are?

Sounds like 'rank bad business' to me. Amateurish even.

And if it is true that Man Utd have 'tapped' the player up, it sounds like we're in a pretty decent position to me.

[broadsword]

You would have to say that Man Utd are going to get their man. It's too far gone now. There's nothing Rovers can hold over Man Utd, because we can't really take the player back, can we?

Man Utd hold the power in this one, I think we'll end up letting Jones go for less than our valuation.

For us to accept a bid from Liverpool would mean the player would have to agree to go there, and I can't see him doing that at this stage. So I can't see a bidding war materialising.

Just common sense really, if all this is true. You value a player at £25m, but insert a clause in their contract saying they can agree terms and have a medical at a club if that club bids £16m? Sorry, but that's not clever at all.

[PAFELL]

I wouldn't get too excited about this as it creates a real problem. IF Utd refuse to increase the offer we have little choice but to stand by our £25m valuation. To do anything else puts us in a weak position fir the future - Blackburn will cave in eventually.

If Utd don't match the £25m, and if they think they've been screwed may well walk away, we will be left with a young player whose dreams have been shattered. Who is he going to blame? The club.

If this is true rather than being clever management I would say it is crass stupidity. If someone tried to screw me in this manner in business I'd simply show them the door. This sort if action is not to be praised it's rank stupidity and if true would reflect very badly on the club, management and owners.

If it goes wrong we are in a very difficult situation. Further proof if the type of people running Rovers these days IF it is correct.

Sorry Paul, I cannot agree, though understand what you are saying. It would be the agent that is at fault. Not seeing the 16m permits a club to 'talk' to the player. Then to hype the transfer up to the player. If anything this is going to damage the agents career.

I agree about having an upset player on his hands. But this is the first transfer dealing he has ever been involved in. But being 19 and having his parents around, a better agent would say, "that is football. Often deals collapse for all sorts of reasons". Once he starts playing football again, he will eventually get over it. There will be enough players around him, who may have suffered simular type of situations.