[Archived] Phil Jones

[Lathund]

It was posted on this thread earlier Phil Jones had fallen out with or been humiliated by Steve Kean. I'm not able to say how I know but I believe this to be incorrect. My understanding from a very good source, outside of the club, is Phil was very happy with Allardyce for giving him his first chance and got on well with Steve Kean.

Wasn't it JAL who was going on about that?

Major clue right there.

EDIT: And of course someone already beat me to that..

[PAFELL]

No, they cant ask for £25,000,000 they would be in breach of contract, the £16,000,000 triggers a release clause, end of, a legal argument would result in Man U winning hands down, however, tapping up, if proven could be a different matter as would a firm bid from another club, even then, if a contract states £16,000,000 my understanding is that he would be allowed to make the move. It doesnt matter who is right or wrong, thjat is my interpretation of contract law, maybe someone else could elaborate further.

16 Mill granting permission to talk to the player is different than 16 mill to 'release the player from his 5 year contract.

[Mr. E]

Its not as bad as when Duff or Bentley or Friedel left the club - back then at least we were a respectable well-run club that demanded loyalty, not the type of betrayal we got. If Jones want to get away from the chicken owners, then its sort of understandable.

[BangkokRover]

I wonder if jerome Anderson was still smarting at the 'couldn't pick his own nose' comment from ferguson. What better way to get your own back then take him to the cleaners!!

He is not PJ's agent.

[Gav]

It was said by JAL so I don't think you need to worry that many people believed it

It was a ridiculous thing to say. To be fair, I think BPF was also indicating Jones didn't like Kean which I didn't believe either.

Far too much complete and utter rubbish being talked on here by people claiming to have insider knowledge.

Agendas bucky, that can be the only reason for me? or why would people claim to have insider knowledge and continue to post unsubstantiated cr@p thats gets proven to be wrong time and time again

[BuckyRover]

Far too much complete and utter rubbish being talked on here by people claiming to have insider knowledge.

Agendas bucky, that can be the only reason for me? or why would people claim to have insider knowledge and continue to post unsubstantiated cr@p thats gets proven to be wrong time and time again

It does my nut in

[bob fleming]

It does my nut in

I can understand that Bucklington. Once upon a time, years ago, I was privy to certain bits of info. Could I post them on here? Well no, there was no internet back then (I blame the inventor of the internet Prof L Grooby).

But how can you anyway ? "What's your source?" would have been the cry and rightly so, and then that would have been the end of it. What I'd heard might have happened, it might not. Keep it to yourself is probably the safest policy...

However to dismiss out of hand the stuff that some posters, er, post though is a little churlish. BPF has a cracking record of calling things right for instance.

So while it's easy to dismiss "those in the know" it's probably an idea to take on board those posts with a (un)healthy pinch of salt. Do you really believe that long time posters have an agenda against the new regime just because they're relatively new?

I've possibly been overly critcal. It just goes against what I believe in and how the club should be run. Spin the coin again and we probably have you there Buckster - pro everything that's happened since January. The reality is probably somewhere inbetween... but possibly nearer to my interpretation than yours ( no WUMing here!).

[BuckyRover]

I can understand that Bucklington. Once upon a time, years ago, I was privy to certain bits of info. Could I post them on here? Well no, there was no internet back then (I blame the inventor of the internet Prof L Grooby).

But how can you anyway ? "What's your source?" would have been the cry and rightly so, and then that would have been the end of it. What I'd heard might have happened, it might not. Keep it to yourself is probably the safest policy...

However to dismiss out of hand the stuff that some posters, er, post though is a little churlish. BPF has a cracking record of calling things right for instance.

So while it's easy to dismiss "those in the know" it's probably an idea to take on board those posts with a (un)healthy pinch of salt. Do you really believe that long time posters have an agenda against the new regime just because they're relatively new?

I've possibly been overly critcal. It just goes against what I believe in and how the club should be run. Spin the coin again and we probably have you there Buckster - pro everything that's happened since January. The reality is probably somewhere inbetween... but possibly nearer to my interpretation than yours ( no WUMing here!).

I am not pro everything that has happened since January.

But I can take the rough with the smooth.

[Amo]

I've possibly been overly critcal. It just goes against what I believe in and how the club should be run. Spin the coin again and we probably have you there Buckster - pro everything that's happened since January. The reality is probably somewhere inbetween... but possibly nearer to my interpretation than yours ( no WUMing here!).

Yet people like Bucky or Imy, who are considered 'Pro-Venkys', don't feel the need to invent stories to further their agenda.

There's the difference.

[Exiled_Rover]

Following the Phil Jones story on twitter makes me laugh. It reminds me why I hate Utd fans: "Young and Jones, Nasri to come. Fergie is a genius!"

I could be a genius with that kind of money too!

[roversmum]

Far too much complete and utter rubbish being talked on here by people claiming to have insider knowledge.

Agendas bucky, that can be the only reason for me? or why would people claim to have insider knowledge and continue to post unsubstantiated cr@p thats gets proven to be wrong time and time again

Just a thought, but if as rumoured a little criticism upset Phil so much, I'm pretty sure that whatever Kean can do Fergie can do better in the hair-dryer stakes!

[Greedy_Crawford]

1000th post - has he signed yet? I am getting fed up now

[bastionRover]

Following the Phil Jones story on twitter makes me laugh. It reminds me why I hate Utd fans: "Young and Jones, Nasri to come. Fergie is a genius!"

I could be a genius with that kind of money too!

Macheda, Diouf, Bebe, Obertan, Kuzsak

Yeah, what a ******* absolute genius!

[HemelRover]

Macheda, Diouf, Bebe, Obertan, Kuzsak

Yeah, what a ******* absolute genius!

Hargreaves, Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Forlan, Veron, Taibi, Liam Miller, David Bellion, Alan Smith, Jordi Cruyff....

[den]

Marple leaf on Phil Jones.

[keyzer80]

Phil Jones' transfer to Manchester United held up as Venky's want £25 million for defender

Manchester United’s attempts to finalise their £16.5 million move for Blackburn defender Phil Jones have been delayed by a dispute with the Ewood Park club’s Indian owners over the escape clause in the 19 year-old’s contract.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8569288/Phil-Jones-transfer-to-Manchester-United-held-up-as-Venkys-want-25-million-for-defender.html

[RibbleValleyRover]

Looks like Phil's girlfriend is getting all sorts of abuse on twitter from not only Rovers fans but Liverpool ones. Don't see the point really.

[gumboots]

Looks like Phil's girlfriend is getting all sorts of abuse on twitter from not only Rovers fans but Liverpool ones. Don't see the point really.

I don't see the point either and would never do anything like that but if she's been boasting about how she's going to be a WAG etc as we were told earlier in the week then is it any wonder that folk feel they can have a go at her now? She should have enough sense to get herself off there and stay off, at least until the transfer all dies down and people move on.

[john-rover]

Looks like Phil's girlfriend is getting all sorts of abuse on twitter from not only Rovers fans but Liverpool ones. Don't see the point really.

She is mouthing off and winding people up though, telling Rovers fans "it's a good job he doesn't live in or come from your town" isn't exactly well mannered

[Plastic Head]

Phil Jones' transfer to Manchester United held up as Venky's want £25 million for defender

Manchester United’s attempts to finalise their £16.5 million move for Blackburn defender Phil Jones have been delayed by a dispute with the Ewood Park club’s Indian owners over the escape clause in the 19 year-old’s contract.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8569288/Phil-Jones-transfer-to-Manchester-United-held-up-as-Venkys-want-25-million-for-defender.html

Please sell the club to me for a quid now and save yourselves further embarrassment and huge financial losses.

Regards

[m0r94n]

Wouldn't this be a case of bad advice? Surely Anderson, etc are in place to stop this sort of thing happening?

[Brfcrule1]

Kelbo you state 16M triggers a release clause no-one knows that as stated 16M may just be to talk unless you see what is stated in the contract everything else is pure guess work & Pafell makes an excellent point 16M to just TALK is different than saying 16M to release a player from his new 5 year contract also you state if after offering 16M rovers give a player permission that is a very grey area because if proved & found out Jones went for a medical behind rovers back that is hardly giving the guy permission & amounts to tapping up & you state both parties agree by the latest comments from Venkys nothing is agreed & also I find the interest in one of our up & coming stars interesting it could also be viewed as they waited for the manager to head out to India before trying to tie up the deal that could be interpreted as tapping up waiting for the manager to be out of the country before sneakily making a move just seems the timing of how this has come about is very interesting.

[roversmum]

She is mouthing off and winding people up though, telling Rovers fans "it's a good job he doesn't live in or come from your town" isn't exactly well mannered

Well he does live in my neighbourhood, actually. I know of this young woman too, though not personally.

[Kelbo]

Kelbo you state 16M triggers a release clause no-one knows that as stated 16M may just be to talk unless you see what is stated in the contract everything else is pure guess work & Pafell makes an excellent point 16M to just TALK is different than saying 16M to release a player from his new 5 year contract also you state if after offering 16M rovers give a player permission that is a very grey area because if proved & found out Jones went for a medical behind rovers back that is hardly giving the guy permission & amounts to tapping up & you state both parties agree by the latest comments from Venkys nothing is agreed & also I find the interest in one of our up & coming stars interesting it could also be viewed as they waited for the manager to head out to India before trying to tie up the deal that could be interpreted as tapping up waiting for the manager to be out of the country before sneakily making a move just seems the timing of how this has come about is very interesting.

Seriously, a clause to just speak to players? would the league allow it, would English law allow it, I must stress, there are certain constraints the PL lay down with regard to contracts, we cant just insert anything we like, my understanding is they are PL contracts with the option for certain clauses.

[john-rover]

Well he does live in my neighbourhood, actually. I know of this young woman too, though not personally.

I have no idea of her or Jones hence why I used the quote marks, taken directly of twitter