[Archived] Phil Jones

[imy9]

JW got eviscerated by Venky's for opposing them on the sacking of Allardyce.

He had in effect lost control over decisions from that point on.

New contracts with pay rises were being handed out like sweets by Kean/Venky's in February with the exception of Hoilett and Kalinic.

All the pay rises for Nelsen, Salgado, Samba were negotiated by JW- Samba even mentioned this in an interview about his own. JW has negotiated more clauses in players contracts than any other I can think of. Before anyone starts I dont see this as a negative thing as players like Bellamy may never have arrived at Rovers without the clauses- same as Bentley. Flip side is that sometimes players may leave for a few million less than their Market value.

[Ricky]

I'm sure I had read that JW was still dealing with contracts at that stage which is why i mentioned it Phil. Doesn't stop people using it as a stick to beat venkys with though does it.

[47er]

It is being reported that Jones already had a release clause in his previous contract for a far lower amount.

But that is speculation or rumour isn't it? It has not been confirmed anywhere.

[BuckyRover]

But that is speculation or rumour isn't it? It has not been confirmed anywhere.

So it's best to assume Venky's put it in even though it makes no sense.

[Amo]

But that is speculation or rumour isn't it? It has not been confirmed anywhere.

Haha! It amazes me how quickly people are to believe every piece of dirt posted about Venky's. But suddenly people care about proof when it's the old regime. Ah...

Anyway, people seem to think that Venky's value Jones at £16m, because that was the agreed clause. Wrong. It was most likely the best compromise they could reach with Jones & his agent, at the risk of losing the player for a helluva lot cheaper (thanks to a clause inserted by the previous owners).

[Hughesy]

But that is speculation or rumour isn't it? It has not been confirmed anywhere.

Its been in a few news articles yes - what else do you want?

I have also spoken to someone close to PJ and it was there last summer, but at a much lower level

[ABBEY]

Its been in a few news articles yes - what else do you want?

I have also spoken to someone close to PJ and it was there last summer, but at a much lower level

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ya rol da high life...ya have more sauces than heinzes..someone close? twitter doesnt count tho.

[Hughesy]

New contracts with pay rises were being handed out like sweets by Kean/Venky's in February with the exception of Hoilett and Kalinic.

And who is to blame for the contracts last summer then??

Because Andrews got a new one, someone got a clause inserted and Benjani got one too??

[den]

I'm sure I had read that JW was still dealing with contracts at that stage which is why i mentioned it Phil. Doesn't stop people using it as a stick to beat venkys with though does it.

You think the owners shouldn't concern themselves with player contracts and release clause values Ricky? Aren't they in control of all budgets and spending?

[Tom]

I'm no Venkys cheerleader but I think it's absolutely pathetic that people are blaming Kean and Venkys for this.

It's clear a clause was put in last year, people are blaming them but they have more than likely got us more money than if the contract wasn't reworked.

People need to drop the agendas just for a moment as it's not always needed.

[Hughesy]

On the whole Jones info id ask why after 3/4 days United havent announced it if its just Venkys just 'being stupid'?

There is no smoke without fire - Nicko is usually much closer to our news than any other tabloid, so listen to what he has to say.

[den]

I'm no Venkys cheerleader but I think it's absolutely pathetic that people are blaming Kean and Venkys for this.

That's a bit vague. What are people blaming Venky's for, that you don't agree with TCO?

[Tom]

Well for example on the last page maj said:

I am absolutely livid about all of this, Venkys, Jerome, Kean et al should all be hung drawn and quartered

Seems to be putting the blame at their feet no?

[Ricky]

Surely that's what they were paying a CX to do though Den!!

I'm not pro venkys by any stretch of the inagination but this does seem a really odd thing to give them stick for.

[47er]

Haha! It amazes me how quickly people are to believe every piece of dirt posted about Venky's. But suddenly people care about proof when it's the old regime. Ah...

Anyway, people seem to think that Venky's value Jones at £16m, because that was the agreed clause. Wrong. It was most likely the best compromise they could reach with Jones & his agent, at the risk of losing the player for a helluva lot cheaper (thanks to a clause inserted by the previous owners).

The problem with you is you have your labels and you don't bother reading the posts. If you care to look back you'll see I haven't blamed Venkys at all! The only comment I've made in relation to them is that they can't expect to run the club from thousands of miles away without the proper structures and personnel.They obviously were not directly involved in the negotiations but they equally obviously didn't follow them closely enough. I agree its likely that the clause was needed to get Jones to sign another contract. The fee is too low though. Either a big misjudgement was made or Jones wouldn't shift. I have no idea which.

Reports about a clause in an earlier contract have popped up here and there but its not been generally picked up or authoritative in my view. At the moment its still a rumour.

The trouble with the Venkettes is that they rush to believe anything in their favour.

[Amo]

The problem with you is you have your labels and you don't bother reading the posts.

The trouble with the Venkettes is that they rush to believe anything in their favour.

Ummm...

[John]

Haha! It amazes me how quickly people are to believe every piece of dirt posted about Venky's.

Based on Venky's track record is it really a surprise?

[47er]

Ummm...

I still read the posts though before replying.

[Amo]

I still read the posts though before replying.

'Course you do, sugar.

[gumboots]

im embarssed to be a blackburn fan(and ive nevere felt this way before, even when we was relegated), we genuinly have become the new newcastle(laughing stock of prem league), the owners need to get over here on a more permanet basis and sort this mess out and also show the fans they actually do know how too run a buisness.

Why? It's not like it has anything to do with us? I'm proud to be a Rovers fan and make no apology for it, whoever the owners are and whatever they do.

and also does everybody at blackburn seem to think the fans arnt worth speaking too anymore, not 1 official statment since this started on monday morning after it was 1st reported about the 16mill cluse.

And did the previous owners ever speak to the fans? JW did but he wasn't the owner, and he didn't make announcements when there wasn't anything to announce. We haven't currently completed the sale, so there's nothing they need to tell us. We all know it's happening but they are probably best off saying nothing until the matter is resolved, especially if legal matters are involved, but then that wouldn't suit the anti-Venky's stance that some people are determined to take at every possible opportunity. I'm not convinced by them either but I don't want to bash them for everything whether they are responsible or not.

[AggyBlue]

Unless there has been an offer above Utd's 16M bid the the Venky's could be making themselves and Blackburn Rovers look like arses.

As someone else mentioned, once the clause had been triggered it should have led to an auction and a period of time should have been allowed to see if any other club was prepared to better Utd's offer.

Instead Jones, his agent and Utd seem to have agreed to the deal amongst themselves without the involvement of Rovers because they agreed the magical fee of 16M.

[den]

Surely that's what they were paying a CX to do though Den!!

The CX would be working within the owners budgets Ricky. The trust always knew about release clauses, and seeing that Jones's latest contract was signed in February, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't want to know the financial impact of that one.

If they didn't know about the clause, they should have done.

If they did know about the clause then they didn't understand what it meant.

I also find it quite believeable that JW didn't negotiate that contract, because at the time I had been made aware that JW was refusing to negotiate new player contracts until Venky's forwarded a budget that would cover for them.

All speculation I know, but this whole thread is speculation.

[RevidgeBlue]

If they did know about the clause then they didn't understand what it meant.

I also find it quite believeable that JW didn't negotiate that contract, because at the time I had been made aware that JW was refusing to negotiate new player contracts until Venky's forwarded a budget that would cover for them.

1) You don't know that to be the case at all, you're just hypothesising. It's far more likely as other people have said that 16m didn't sem such a poor deal in January when he was injured and wasn't expected to return much before the end of the season if at all.

2) Interesting. So you're saying you have fairly hard information JW had firmly chucked his toys out of the pram yet people still wonder why his departure was negotiated?

And before anyone fires back with the obvious retort, JW is or was employed by Venky's not the other way round. If I was Venky's and had the money to do what I wanted to do I wouldn't expect to have to answer or justify every move I make to one of my employees.

[Parsonblue]

And before anyone fires back with the obvious retort, JW is or was employed by Venky's not the other way round. If I was Venky's and had the money to do what I wanted to do I wouldn't expect to have to answer or justify every move I make to one of my employees.

Which is one of the reasons why the club has been a shambles since January. The fact that Mrs. Desai and her family believe they can run the business from the other side of the world shows just how little they understand about professional football. In not taking advice from the likes of John Williams and Tom Finn the club has hardly been a success story these past six months.

Returning to the question of the transfer of Jones to United, it is clear that the lad is going to be playing in the Under-21 Tournament as a Blackburn Rovers player. If, heaven forbid, he should pick up a serious injury, I assume that he would return to the Rovers and United would be able to wash their hands of the deal. At which point our transfer fund would return to £5 million with the option of adding the £5 million earmarked for January.

[yoda]

I think the Venkies are doing the right thing.

The player, his agent and manu have tried to present a fait acomply, ie if we get this deal sorted then the Venkies, who everyone belives are there for the taking, will have no option.

The Venkies look like they have said to manu, you have to pay the current market value, good on them in this case,

It will also highlight that we are not a selling club any more as they have previously refered to