[Archived] Phil Jones

[Kelbo]

I think the Venkies are doing the right thing.

The player, his agent and manu have tried to present a fait acomply, ie if we get this deal sorted then the Venkies, who everyone belives are there for the taking, will have no option.

The Venkies look like they have said to manu, you have to pay the current market value, good on them in this case,

It will also highlight that we are not a selling club any more as they have previously refered to

Sorry to appear patronising here, but Venkies cant ask for the market value now, the fee was set with the release clause, thats why its there and they would be hauled through the courts for breach of contract costing the club thousands if not millions, dependent on the time Jones is on the sidelines. They can complain to the premier league if they feel there were wrongdoings and the League would determine the punishment, alternatively, rather than go through the league/courts, Man U may offer a million or so more but forget any £25,000,000 thats pie in the sky!

[yoda]

Sorry to appear patronising here, but Venkies cant ask for the market value now, the fee was set with the release clause, thats why its there and they would be hauled through the courts for breach of contract costing the club thousands if not millions, dependent on the time Jones is on the sidelines. They can complain to the premier league if they feel there were wrongdoings and the League would determine the punishment, alternatively, rather than go through the league/courts, Man U may offer a million or so more but forget any £25,000,000 thats pie in the sky!

I think you may be speculating a tad there with the fee being set with the clause, who is the breach of contract with ? Phil Jones.

They don't need to complain to anyone as far as I can see, they just don't need to transfer Phil Jones's registration.

[Kelbo]

I think you may be speculating a tad there with the fee being set with the clause, who is the breach of contract with ? Phil Jones.

They don't need to complain to anyone as far as I can see, they just don't need to transfer Phil Jones's registration.

I am sorry they do, a clause allows a player to speak to the club if the bid meets the criteria and the player agrees terms, otherwise there would be no point in the clause being there, its set a transfer fee and Man U have met that criteria, if they dont transfer Jones registration, Rovers will be taken to court for breach of contract, there is no argument and the premier league hold a copy of the contract, it cannot be changed.

[yoda]

I am sorry they do, a clause allows a player to speak to the club if the bid meets the criteria and the player agrees terms, otherwise there would be no point in the clause being there, its set a transfer fee and Man U have met that criteria, if they dont transfer Jones registration, Rovers will be taken to court for breach of contract, there is no argument and the premier league hold a copy of the contract, it cannot be changed.

The bit in bold, you know this is the case for sure?

if it was, then it would all be finished by now.

How did manu get to know what the clause/value was?

has someone broken a contractual confidentialty clause?

[ChrisyG]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/927644/jones-transfer-to-manchester-united-dispute-ramped-by-rovers?cc=5739

[PAFELL]

I am sorry they do, a clause allows a player to speak to the club if the bid meets the criteria and the player agrees terms, otherwise there would be no point in the clause being there, its set a transfer fee and Man U have met that criteria, if they dont transfer Jones registration, Rovers will be taken to court for breach of contract, there is no argument and the premier league hold a copy of the contract, it cannot be changed.

What if it isn't the contract clause alone, that is the issue. Maybe they are making a stand on the issue of tapping up. Was it not mentioned that there is an investigation by Rovers into the run of events, from how the knowledge of the clause was brought to light, the appraoch of man u, without permission, which makes it an illegal approach. Wondering if the club could refuse the transfer to man U on the grounds of an illegal approach alone.

[Exiled in Toronto]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/927644/jones-transfer-to-manchester-united-dispute-ramped-by-rovers?cc=5739

Actually, that is quite an interesting read.

[yoda]

Actually, that is quite an interesting read.

certainly is, thats why I added this to my earlier post

How did manu get to know what the clause/value was?

has someone broken a contractual confidentialty clause?

Good on Venkies on this occasion for making a stand on the issue

[cmb211087]

It was ESPN that broke the original story too about us wanting more, which was confirmed the day after by Nicko, so I am pretty sure what they have wrote in that piece is as close to fact as you can get.

[Kelbo]

The bit in bold, you know this is the case for sure?

if it was, then it would all be finished by now.

How did manu get to know what the clause/value was?

has someone broken a contractual confidentialty clause?

Now, is there a confidentiality clause?

[yoda]

Now, is there a confidentiality clause?

I don't know, thats why I asked,

ESPN seem to think there is!

If there is one and it would make sense to have one,

If the player or his agent has broken it, then all bets would be off!

[1874]

If Venkys win this challenge it will change the way Big clubs buy talent at the minimum price. It could be a Bosman type moment.

[Mattyblue]

Actually, that is quite an interesting read.

The comments aren't. Manchester United are terrible for English football, this vast 'following' of theirs and membership of the CL cartel distorts all sense of comeptition. The fact hardcore Roverites on here would 'be off like a shot' if Utd came calling says it all.

[yoda]

The comments aren't. Manchester United are terrible for English football, this vast 'following' of theirs and membership of the CL cartel distorts all sense of comeptition. The fact hardcore Roverites on here would 'be off like a shot' if Utd came calling says it all.

I will never start posting on a manu board, never

[brfcshabba]

@Pault86 It appears that Fergie tapped up Jones to get a medical done before more interest comes in after U21's.

Would make sense if we hadn't authorised him to have a medical

[AggyBlue]

I am sorry they do, a clause allows a player to speak to the club if the bid meets the criteria and the player agrees terms, otherwise there would be no point in the clause being there, its set a transfer fee and Man U have met that criteria,

That doesn't mean Jones or United can then announce a deal is done and Jones is signing for United.

From our point of view it means that Jones has become available for transfer. Because other clubs have expressed an interest the fact he is now availble should be relayed to these other interested clubs, we would then accept the highest offer.

United have jumped the gun IMO

[Sandman]

That doesn't mean Jones or United can then announce a deal is done and Jones is signing for United.

From our point of view it means that Jones has become available for transfer. Because other clubs have expressed an interest the fact he is now availble should be relayed to these other interested clubs, we would then accept the highest offer.

United have jumped the gun IMO

When did they do that? I haven't seen anything from either party confirming the deal was done, the only people saying that are journalists.

This is all nonsense, you can never prove anything, United can say they valued him at £16 million and it was just luck that it matched the clause, how would you prove otherwise? Even if he met Fergie there's nothing you can prove, the lad can meet who he wants when he wants, he's not a slave. Unless it says in his contract you can't speak to anyone else in the football industry without our permission

[bob fleming]

When did they do that? I haven't seen anything from either party confirming the deal was done, the only people saying that are journalists.

Very true, but the fact that Phil was filmed autographing United fans shirts does say to me that he thought the deal was done / imminent.

[T.J.Newton]

I just want too thank espn for being way ahead of everybody else in reporting whats going on with this transfer, latest update- http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/95828.html?CMP=OTC-RSS and also http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/927644/jones-transfer-to-manchester-united-dispute-ramped-by-rovers?cc=5739.

So hopfully this will all be settled one way or another on monday and we can get on with signing some players of our own.

[Henwah]

Lot of talk on twitter saying the deal has been done, based on comments from Paul Smith (mirror reporter)

[AggyBlue]

Lot of talk on twitter saying the deal has been done, based on comments from Paul Smith (mirror reporter)

I think Venky's should just take the 16M and learn from it, make sure it doesn't happen again

[bluefred]

Lot of talk on twitter saying the deal has been done, based on comments from Paul Smith (mirror reporter)

liverpool said to have put in a 22 million pound bid for jones (SKY SPORTS).......

[Grez]

I think Venky's should just take the 16M and learn from it, make sure it doesn't happen again

No chance... stick with it... we still hold his registration. £20m plus add ons please

[Hughesy]

SSN - 9:20 The back page of tomorrow's Daily Mail makes for interesting viewing - it basically says Man United's bid for Phil Jones is in tatters and that Liverpool have stepped in with a £22million offer

[Parsonblue]

SSN - 9:20 The back page of tomorrow's Daily Mail makes for interesting viewing - it basically says Man United's bid for Phil Jones is in tatters and that Liverpool have stepped in with a £22million offer

Doesn't matter how much Liverpool bid if Jones refuses to go there and insists on joining United. Returning to Ewood is clearly not going to be an option as too many bridges have been burnt. Hopefully, United may agree to pay £18 or £20 million with add-ons attached. If not, this could become a long drawn out affair that dominates much of the transfer window and ends up in the courts.