[Archived] Phil Jones

[brfcshabba]

NOTW says Jones has signed for Utd and went to France to meet Fergie

[PAFELL]

I think Venky's should just take the 16M and learn from it, make sure it doesn't happen again

NO NO NO more fun this way. There must be something in this clause in Venkys favour. You would have thought that lawyers for either side would have sorted it out by now, who is right or wrong.

May even put off other clubs coming in for our better players. They will know they have a fight on their hands.

[broadsword]

Not sure how true this is:

@Smudge1962 Paul Smith

It was Blackburn who insisted on a £16m buy-out clause in Phil Jones contract so they are in no position to complain about the fee

According to our resident expert Bucky, a club would never ever ask for a transfer fee clause to be inserted into a player's contract.

Since it was a re-negotiation of terms, and a new contract, if Rovers hadn't have insisted on a £16m clause then there would have been no clause at all (rather than £16m), is that right?

I have no idea on the veracity of this source, but other people seem quite happy to take tabloid journalists at their word, so it's worth mentioning.

[Hughesy]

Well whatever happens, £16m, £16m rising to £20m or more - its good to see us finally stick up for ourselves for a change.

IF Samba doesnt have a clause then I can tell you now he isnt going anywhere

[Ricky]

Interesting about jones going to France. I guess that's how man u get out of the tapping up thing. I'd love to see if he had actually been to France or not. My money is still on a RFW trip to the Jones'

[Tom]

If Venkys have managed to get an extra quid then I applaud them they have appeared to fight more here than the trust ever did.

From my point of view they are blameless on this occasion, now Kean use the money well.

[BuckyRover]

Not sure how true this is:

According to our resident expert Bucky, a club would never ever ask for a transfer fee clause to be inserted into a player's contract.

Since it was a re-negotiation of terms, and a new contract, if Rovers hadn't have insisted on a £16m clause then there would have been no clause at all (rather than £16m), is that right?

I have no idea on the veracity of this source, but other people seem quite happy to take tabloid journalists at their word, so it's worth mentioning.

I wasn't basing it on what a tabloid journo had said. I was basing it on common sense.

But now a journalist has said the opposite so I stand corrected.

Ha.

[den]

According to our resident expert Bucky, a club would never ever ask for a transfer fee clause to be inserted into a player's contract.

I know for a fact that they do, Bryan.

[broadsword]

I wasn't basing it on what a tabloid journo had said. I was basing it on common sense.

But now a journalist has said the opposite so I stand corrected.

Ha.

Never said you did base it on what a tabloid journalist has said. Trying reading it a little slower next time.

If it's OK with you I won't place too much faith in your common sense.

I know for a fact that they do, Bryan.

But Bucky says they don't, he's using his common sense. So it must be true.

[Paul]

Interesting about jones going to France. I guess that's how man u get out of the tapping up thing. I'd love to see if he had actually been to France or not. My money is still on a RFW trip to the Jones'

I can't read the NOTW article as it wants me to register and I'm not giving NOTW any personal details.

However I am 200% certain Jones was in France. I think it was Monday of last week. I knew this on Friday but didn't know it was significant. TBH I assumed it was were the U21 tournament is being played. I still font know where that tournament is being played.

[Bobby G]

Its in Denmark.

[AndyC]

Let's hope the mail story about Liverpool bidding 22m is true

I don't care that it's dragging out. 22m would be a good price and wouldn't leave the fans feeling so bitter about him leaving so soon.

All depends on the exact clause inserted into his contract.

At this stage, as nobody on here knows the wording, it would be prudent to stop talking as if things are facts. This will be all sorted in the next few days, then we can debate whether venks have been good business people or not!

[Lancs Rover]

After reading these posts, I'd guess the key point is the medical. Unless the lad was handcuffed and dragged there against his will, you have to presume he knew what he was doing and went along voluntarily.

Did the Rovers give him permission to do this or not? If he did this without their explicit permission or knowledge, then it leaves several parties in the frame for misbehaviour, principally United who can't possibly have acted in ignorance on so many counts and have probably set themselves up anyway by seemingly wanting to gazump the other clubs pursuing Jones.

My bet is it's a combination of Jones's naivety and United's arrogance and greed, finally - and hopefully - trumped by Liverpool, who would love to steal Jones from under Fergie's nose and could at least offer the lad a game most weekends.

Which, as a Rovers fan, I could at least learn to live with, rather than see one of our best turn out at Unibond League grounds and the like every Tuesday evening for the United Reserves.

[philipl]

This idea that PJ will rot in the United reserves is nonsense.

The lad is already one of the top ten defenders in the PL by my reckoning. Wouldn't be surprised to see him playing the Scholes role at Man U because they are weak in terms of having a high energy defensive midfielder and would take a CD position when either Vidic or Rio are out.

In fact, if they sign better in midfield, I'd expect PJ to be keeping Rio out of the MU side within the coming season.

PJ is that good and that is why this early transfer is so gutting.

[S15]

Wouldn't be surprised to see him playing the Scholes role at Man U because they are weak in terms of having a high energy defensive midfielder and would take a CD position when either Vidic or Rio are out.

Scholes was the ginger lad Phil.

[den]

But Bucky says they don't, he's using his common sense. So it must be true.

Bucky's wrong. As are the people who say a release clause is always put there at the request of agents and players. Rovers have used release clauses in the past.

and that makes all those arguments "that they wouldn't have signed without a clause" open to debate.

[Kelbo]

This idea that PJ will rot in the United reserves is nonsense.

The lad is already one of the top ten defenders in the PL by my reckoning. Wouldn't be surprised to see him playing the Scholes role at Man U because they are weak in terms of having a high energy defensive midfielder and would take a CD position when either Vidic or Rio are out.

In fact, if they sign better in midfield, I'd expect PJ to be keeping Rio out of the MU side within the coming season.

PJ is that good and that is why this early transfer is so gutting.

I agree with that, Jones is better than Ferdinand now, god knows just how good the lad will be, he is a more natural defender than Ferdinand and is a combination of Vidic and Ferdinand rolled into one!!

[BuckyRover]

Bucky's wrong. As are the people who say a release clause is always put there at the request of agents and players. Rovers have used release clauses in the past.

and that makes all those arguments "that they wouldn't have signed without a clause" open to debate.

A team that doesn't need to sell it's players wouldn't insert a release clause.

Why do you feel the need to say "I know for a fact", do you think people will believe it?

Because I don't.

[broadsword]

Let's hope the mail story about Liverpool bidding 22m is true

I don't care that it's dragging out. 22m would be a good price and wouldn't leave the fans feeling so bitter about him leaving so soon.

All depends on the exact clause inserted into his contract.

At this stage, as nobody on here knows the wording, it would be prudent to stop talking as if things are facts. This will be all sorted in the next few days, then we can debate whether venks have been good business people or not!

If he doesn't want to go to Liverpool, then we can't sell him to them and their bid is meaningless (I think).

[alexanders]

But he will want to go there too, me thinks. Kenny is building something. Similar to us when we won.

[imy9]

I agree with that, Jones is better than Ferdinand now, god knows just how good the lad will be, he is a more natural defender than Ferdinand and is a combination of Vidic and Ferdinand rolled into one!!

Better than Ferdinand? I would wager that if fit Ferdinand will start all key games this season ahead of PJ, he needs to concentrate on getting ahead of Smalling next season not Ferdinand!

[den]

A team that doesn't need to sell it's players wouldn't insert a release clause.

Why do you feel the need to say "I know for a fact", do you think people will believe it?

Because I don't.

Suit yourself Bucky. I've told you the facts. I've never put anything down on this site before as fact, but this is.

Carry on not believing then.

[SAS]

Radio reporting the deal has broken down questioning how man utd coincedentily bid the exact amount of the release clause.

[den]

Radio reporting the deal has broken down questioning how man utd coincedentily bid the exact amount of the release clause.

Which station SAS?

[SAS]

Only the bee so not a massive source but they assigned the news from a reporter for a big paper.

Interesting I thought.