[Archived] Phil Jones

[JAL]

That took an age to load. At least it shows that if you hold your ground you'll get more. 20 1/2 million for an unproven 19 year old is great business. Venkey's offering 80,000 a week shows they tried hard to keep him but they were on a road to nowhere with that. But big bucks to spend.

When all Venky's had to do was sack the manager, and he'd have played for less than half of that chocky, crazy, crazy.

[Tom]

What are you on about now JAL? are you inferring jones would turn down united if Kean wasn't here?

He's shown his loyalty ends with himself and I doubt he would stay under any manager

[JAL]

What are you on about now JAL? are you inferring jones would turn down united if Kean wasn't here?

He's shown his loyalty ends with himself and I doubt he would stay under any manager

Said before that he didnt like Stephen Kean and his attitude towards him, take out of that what you will.

[BuckyRover]

Said before that he didnt like Stephen Kean and his attitude towards him, take out of that what you will.

Paul said he likes Steve Kean.

So I'm sure you understand how I'm taking what you are saying.

[BlueWhiteDynamite]

Didn't Kean in his first game in charge drop Jones to the Bench (for no match performance reason), a match which resulted in PJ becoming injured and missing the majority of the rest of the campaign?

That decision always confused me.

[47er]

But if they fail to persuade him, they will do all they can to elicit the best price from one of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, United or Tottenham, telling Jones: ‘If you go, you go where we get the best money.’

This where it falls down. Jones wont go where he doesn't want to. Good luck to Venky's though. I'd love to see them get the proper fee for him.

Then, if this report is accurate, Venkys are saying "in that case you won't go anywhere."

They can afford to hang on forever.Doubt if it'll come to that though.

[Billy Castell]

I think he'll ultimately end up at Man U for around £20m or so. And his Lady McBeth missus will enjoy a bit of shopping until he drops her for some bird from that Babestation channel or has a fling with Ryan Giggs' wife.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Didn't Kean in his first game in charge drop Jones to the Bench (for no match performance reason), a match which resulted in PJ becoming injured and missing the majority of the rest of the campaign?

That decision always confused me.

I think the reason at the time was that his fitness levels had dropped - and he was trying to protect him. Unfortunately he was required in the match - and picked up the injury that Kean was probably trying to save him from by dropping him to the bench in the first place. You could possibly argue that Kean shouldn't have had him on the bench - but for a club our size it is difficult to totally rest a player of Jones' talent.

[den]

According to our resident expert Bucky, a club would never ever ask for a transfer fee clause to be inserted into a player's contract.

I wasn't basing it on what a tabloid journo had said. I was basing it on common sense.

But now a journalist has said the opposite so I stand corrected.

Ha.

I know for a fact that they do, Bryan.

Bucky's wrong. As are the people who say a release clause is always put there at the request of agents and players. Rovers have used release clauses in the past.

and that makes all those arguments "that they wouldn't have signed without a clause" open to debate.

A team that doesn't need to sell it's players wouldn't insert a release clause.

Why do you feel the need to say "I know for a fact", do you think people will believe it?

Because I don't.

Suit yourself Bucky. I've told you the facts. I've never put anything down on this site before as fact, but this is.

Carry on not believing then.

Just a brief point on the Jones contract.

It was the owners rather than the agents who wanted the price clause put in.

[BuckyRover]

A price clause that has since risen to 20.5m

Interesting release clause that one.

[den]

A price clause that has since risen to 20.5m

Interesting release clause that one.

Ha! You great galloollah. [another one for Gav].

[John]

Well out of the loop as been travelling, so apologies if this has been posted, but noticed this on Twitter from Paul Smith.

Phil Jones agent - I expect the deal to be formally announced in the next 48 hours. The buy-out clause put in by BRFC cannot be challenged

[cn_barlow]

Well out of the loop as been travelling, so apologies if this has been posted, but noticed this on Twitter from Paul Smith.

Phil Jones agent - I expect the deal to be formally announced in the next 48 hours. The buy-out clause put in by BRFC cannot be challenged

But the way Utd went about the deal can be.

I'd love to know what is going on behind the scenes on this one.

[BangkokRover]

Stay tuned there will be a 11 o'clocker

[philipl]

Scholes was the ginger lad Phil.

Playing the same midfield role as Jones was at Rovers when he pushed into midfield....

[joey_big_nose]

Playing the same midfield role as Jones was at Rovers when he pushed into midfield....

That's a totally bizarre thing to say - how are Jones' box to box powerful tackling performances any relation to Scholes' deep sitting playmaking and total lack of ability to tackle?

[philipl]

Jones was asked to protect the back four when initially chosen for Rovers midfield which was a similar role to the now retired Scholes (who incidentally was so deep sitting and not box-to-box he scored 102 goals for the Mancs and 14 for England).

Agreed that unlike Scholes, Jones knows how to tackle which further supports my view that Jones is not likely to be a squad player/bench warmer at ManU for long.

Anyway after writing this praise for the lad, he is not exactly shining in Denmark at the moment.

[BuckyRover]

Jones was asked to protect the back four when initially chosen for Rovers midfield which was a similar role to the now retired Scholes (who incidentally was so deep sitting and not box-to-box he scored 102 goals for the Mancs and 14 for England).

Agreed that unlike Scholes, Jones knows how to tackle which further supports my view that Jones is not likely to be a squad player/bench warmer at ManU for long.

Anyway after writing this praise for the lad, he is not exactly shining in Denmark at the moment.

He looks a bit lumpy.

We've ripped the mancs off! Love it

[philipl]

He looks a bit lumpy.

We've ripped the mancs off! Love it

He still looks more comfortable in an England shirt than Rio did v Switzerland.

[Andy]

Had a decent game, his main problem (as I've always said it was for us) was trying too often for the 75-yard killer pass, when a simple option is on.

Didn't come off once and kept giving a quality Spanish side possession.

[47er]

Not looking good.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/united-land-jones-for-163165m-again-2296782.html?

[jim mk2]

Martin Samuel on the "charmless" owners of Blackburn Rovers.

[http://www.dailymail...ondon-2012.html

Not looking good.

http://www.independe...n-2296782.html?

Venky's lack of football nous exposed again.

[artemorethanlabore]

Martin Samuel on the "charmless" owners of Blackburn Rovers.

[http://www.dailymail...ondon-2012.html

Venky's lack of football nous exposed again.

If only our owners had the charm of Ferguson and the Glazers..

[Exiled in Toronto]

Martin Samuel on the "charmless" owners of Blackburn Rovers.

[http://www.dailymail...ondon-2012.html

Venky's lack of football nous exposed again.

I really don't know who you expected to buy the club. Anyone with football nous knows that football is something you leech vast sums of money out of by fair means and/or foul, not put it in, so by definition would never buy a chronically loss-making club.

[jim mk2]

Anyone with football nous knows football clubs "leech" money but that has obviously come as a surprise to our owners. And to answer your question I expected someone to buy the club who had at least done a little homework on football in this country and how it operates but it is clear from the Jones transfer saga that Venky's did neither and neither have they learnt anything in the 6 months they have been in charge. Are they being badly advised on this transfer or are they ignoring advice and are simply stamping their feet over the release clause and are clueless about how the transfer market operates ? Who knows - but I sense the good name of Blackburn Rovers has again been lowered in the closed world of football by Venky's antics over the past few days,