[Archived] Phil Jones

[imy9]

Anybody who saw Jones and Parker bully the Spanish midfield last year might disagree about how much he has to learn. Only my opinion but whilst he is good at RB he is wasted there and of the 3 deep midfield is his best position and CH can wait for half a dozen years or so. Time will tell but I think we may as well start referring to him as FEC from now on.

btw... Glad you found this Den. Amazing how little some know about football and how they refuse to learn from people who know better...... I think there could be a link there!

Lol you are a funny bloke. PJ is a good player, 20 million was a top price but no way is he as good at RB as he is at Centre half-that was your great pearl of wisdom, no? I have spoken to enough Man utd fans and seen enough myself to know that but you are entitled to your own opinion.

I wish I could find other great pearls but alas most of those are taken off by the mods, strange that.

Football fans on messageboards also fall into three groups: those who come on just to chat about their team and welcome different perspectives; those who sit back and enjoy reading good banter; and those who keep on trying to demonstrate they are more knowledgeable than the first group, desperately seeking praise or admiration from people they will never know or meet. We all know fans in each of those groups don't we.

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[thenodrog]

Lol you are a funny bloke. PJ is a good player, 20 million was a top price but no way is he as good at RB as he is at Centre half-that was your great pearl of wisdom, no? I have spoken to enough Man utd fans and seen enough myself to know that but you are entitled to your own opinion.

No. Read it again and you'll find that I endorsed him for the deep midfield holding role.

btw Surprised you dare to challenge anyone's opinion on here given the d1ck you made of yourself over supporting Kean and the Venkymob just over 12 months ago imy. Suffice to say that no one with more than half a brain cell will take the slightest notice of anything you say about football ever again. However if you want to opine about anything else be it cricket, hockey of khabbadi then fine maybe I'll bow to your superior knowledge....... Maybe.

[G Somerset Rover]

Jones doesn't start for Man Utd on a regular basis in central midfield. Michael Carrick does. Lampard is a miles better midfielder than Jones is right now. As are Cleverley, Gerrard and Wilshere.

Whenever Fergie had a full compliment of players he played Jones at centre midfield. IMO he should be starting every game for England - regardless of position.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

He looks class tonight, just as we all know, Fergie rotated players, and had riches in abudance, so jones didn't always figure, and his injuries didn't help. Will figure well into England's future.

[imy9]

No. Read it again and you'll find that I endorsed him for the deep midfield holding role.

btw Surprised you dare to challenge anyone's opinion on here given the d1ck you made of yourself over supporting Kean and the Venkymob just over 12 months ago imy. Suffice to say that no one with more than half a brain cell will take the slightest notice of anything you say about football ever again. However if you want to opine about anything else be it cricket, hockey of khabbadi then fine maybe I'll bow to your superior knowledge....... Maybe.

I did read it again... "Jones's only dilemma (as is Fergy's) is being equally good in a number of positions CH , Full back / defensive midfield all in one." ?????

You have selective memory so I'll repeat myself again, I gave Venkys and Kean a chance- they certainly lost that a long time ago- but you knew that already, no?

In the post that you highlighted I gave an example of a versatile player who I described as "awesome"- Mario Goetze, since then he has starred in the CL and moved to the current European Champions for £30 million plus, but hey I know very little about football.

Also if you are going to make a racial stereotype, at least spell it right- its kabaddi.

[LeChuck]

Whenever Fergie had a full compliment of players he played Jones at centre midfield. IMO he should be starting every game for England - regardless of position.

He played all 9 nine of Man Utd's final games last season. 3 of them were in midfield.

[G Somerset Rover]

He played all 9 nine of Man Utd's final games last season. 3 of them were in midfield.

Okay okay, he plays him in the big games in central midfield .

Loved his energy this 2nd half.

[LeChuck]

Okay okay, he plays him in the big games in central midfield .

Loved his energy this 2nd half.

I think he did pick him to do a specific job against bigger teams. 2 of those 3 games were Chelsea and Arsenal. Plus he played there against Real of course.

I just don't see that as a role England need, unless we come up against a Brazil/Argentina/Spain/Italy in tournament play.

I'm hoping next season he'll play centre back regularly and we can start playing him there. Cahill and Jagielka aren't international quality.

[thenodrog]

Okay okay, he plays him in the big games in central midfield .

Loved his energy this 2nd half.

Indeed, but his crossing was poor.

[andyperkinsbigtoe]

phil jones will play centre half in the brazil world cup,dave moyes will improve him no end,if this is possible .i have only seen phil play for our youth team,and he stood out alongside his fellow centre half grant hanley.a lot of rovers fans seem bitter phil left,but the club is in turmoil and phil did right by his career.

[beanie]

Phil could easily have repaid the club he was at and helped make him by staying on one more year he chose not too so there fore i could not care less if he wins nothing else the rest of his career. One of the only high points of the year we went down was seeing his gormless expression as city took the title from united

Having said that i have gone on record as saying he will captain England at somepoint after a handful of games for us in front of various friends of mine so i do want him to do that not for him just so i'm proved right and don't get sneered at when he has a poorish game anymore.

[savage90]

Phil could easily have repaid the club he was at and helped make him by staying on one more year he chose not too so there fore i could not care less if he wins nothing else the rest of his career. One of the only high points of the year we went down was seeing his gormless expression as city took the title from united

Having said that i have gone on record as saying he will captain England at somepoint after a handful of games for us in front of various friends of mine so i do want him to do that not for him just so i'm proved right and don't get sneered at when he has a poorish game anymore.

You can't seriously expect a 19 year old lad to turn down the oppertunity of a life time? He already has a Premier League winners medal at 21... and is in contention to go to the World Cup. Fantastic and the right career choice!

[andyperkinsbigtoe]

Phil could easily have repaid the club he was at and helped make him by staying on one more year he chose not too so there fore i could not care less if he wins nothing else the rest of his career. One of the only high points of the year we went down was seeing his gormless expression as city took the title from united

Having said that i have gone on record as saying he will captain England at somepoint after a handful of games for us in front of various friends of mine so i do want him to do that not for him just so i'm proved right and don't get sneered at when he has a poorish game anymore.

repay the club?is this the same club that but a ridiculously low buy out clause in his contract.lets see man utd orblackburnchickenlicking rovers

[Philly13]

I'm not sure if starting Jones in central midfield against Ireland is tactically smart. Against a side you'll cede possession to would make sense, but if you're looking to boss the game he'd make more sense in central defense.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

You can't seriously expect a 19 year old lad to turn down the oppertunity of a life time? He already has a Premier League winners medal at 21... and is in contention to go to the World Cup. Fantastic and the right career choice!

Yes it was the right choice looking at it from a purely selfish standpoint, but there's no sense of decency in what he did is there? A club that developed him from being a kid and he gives us 1 season in return for all those years of effort and coaching. He's been on the bench for Man U as much as he's been in the team, what harm would it have done to spend another year or 2 at Rovers, playing every match, possibly even captaining us, and then move on? Seems to me like thats what a Rovers fan who'd spent 9 years at the club he supports would have done. But these lads seem to have no sense of loyalty and appreciation anymore, just a greedy agent whispering in their ear.

[savage90]

The arguments invalid because no footballer in their right mind with the potential Jones had would turn down Man Utd. I'm sure he wouldn't have had any problems staying longer but you don't turn down a 24million move to Man Utd at the age of 19. How anyone can criticise that is beyond me!

[thenodrog]

24m is it now? Still not enough but it's a bit more like.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

The arguments invalid because no footballer in their right mind with the potential Jones had would turn down Man Utd. I'm sure he wouldn't have had any problems staying longer but you don't turn down a 24million move to Man Utd at the age of 19. How anyone can criticise that is beyond me!

Why don't you? MUTV, Alex Ferguson, every Man U gloryhunting piece of excrement in the country (like andyperkinsbigtoe) might like everyone to mindlessly accept that message, but football isn't only about whats best for Man Utd. I really do think a real Rovers fan would have stayed for another season, considering how long he'd been at the club.

But maybe you're right and its different actually being in that position. Another nail in football's coffin anyway if that is the accepted state of affairs now. Small clubs are outspent, have less support, have less influence with referees, and now can't even benefit from the players they develop. The game's poisoned.

[beanie]

From a totally selfish standpoint yes he did the right thing but he says hes a blackburn fan and for the time and effort that was put in to developing Phil Jones he could have stayed a year and helped the club so while not wishing him an injury or anything like that i really hope Moyes is the start of a barren trophyless spell for united and Phil.

[Leonard Venkhater]

From a totally selfish standpoint yes he did the right thing but he says hes a blackburn fan and for the time and effort that was put in to developing Phil Jones he could have stayed a year and helped the club so while not wishing him an injury or anything like that i really hope Moyes is the start of a barren trophyless spell for united and Phil.

That's exactly how I feel, but, like the Murphy's, I'm not bitter.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

From a totally selfish standpoint yes he did the right thing but he says hes a blackburn fan and for the time and effort that was put in to developing Phil Jones he could have stayed a year and helped the club so while not wishing him an injury or anything like that i really hope Moyes is the start of a barren trophyless spell for united and Phil.

Felt like that every time a player has left Rovers for the 'grass is greener club.' In most cases it usually proves the case, Shearer the main example.

[Amo]

Jason Lowe turns down a £3m move to Birmingham out of his love for Rovers. Do the fans applaud him for his loyalty or will we find unsavoury comments about needing that money for someone better? Does the concept of loyalty only work if the player's highly rated?

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Jason Lowe turns down a £3m move to Birmingham out of his love for Rovers. Do the fans applaud him for his loyalty or will we find unsavoury comments about needing that money for someone better? Does the concept of loyalty only work if the player's highly rated?

If Birmingham offered that for him I'd be questioning their sanity! It would be refreshing but if it got to that point then Rovers would have accepted the bid anyway so the question of loyalty is the club's not for the fans whose loyalty is for the club.

[LeChuck]

I don't understand why so many people are down on Jason Lowe. He's one of few Championship level players going with England to the U21 tournament. He's obviously rated outside of Blackburn.

Quite a lot of people last season were saying get some academy lads in to replace Murphy etc because at least they would get to see players playing for the shirt. Well we've got a young lad doing that already and he gets cut no slack whatsoever.

[beanie]

Jason Lowe turns down a £3m move to Birmingham out of his love for Rovers. Do the fans applaud him for his loyalty or will we find unsavoury comments about needing that money for someone better? Does the concept of loyalty only work if the player's highly rated?

I'd applaud his loyalty why should the concept of loyalty apply to the fan when it does not apply to the player. Thats the thing i have all the time in the world for Duff and he left after his clause had been met i'm sure had the club gone to him and said look give us one more year we need you he would have stayed.

There are others Nelsen Emerton Salgado i wish them every success in what ever they do while people like Samba and Hoillet can go rot as far as i'm concerned.