[Archived] Blackburn Rovers v Manchester United

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Hoilett twinged his hamstring, thats why he came off.

Andrews coming on made sense - Samba being injured so therefore placing Givet at CB, moving Olsson to LB, Pedersen to LM and Andrews to CM.

Can't fault anybody today. Robbo has saved more points than he has conceded but today was his error. Stonewall penalty.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Great point under the circumstances. Proud of the boys.

Pointless talking about refs because we go into every game knowing we'll be on the end of some crap decisions especially bookings wise. Today was a definite pen however.

Sunderland result was a shocker but I expected the donkey lashers to beat the piggies. How important is that 93 min equaliser against Blackpool looking now!

It's been a shocking season but regardless of manager we have been heading towards a season like this due to lack of investment. Staying up will be an achievement IMO - as we effectively only spent 3.5 million on transfers.

Lets hope we get some results going our way tomorrow...

As for next season, again regardless of who is in charge, it will take alot of money to keep us out of the bottom 6.

[bazza]

He also gave a free kick for two Man Utd players running into each other. Didn't have a great 2nd half did Dowd

J Jones had already fouled one of them. So Mr Dowd was correct on that one.

However, if Dowd has not been bribed or does not have a bias towards Man U or against us, then he is such a poor ref he needs to be demoted forthwith. On the other hand, if he is a good ref, then, IMO, he is corrupt. Does that make sense?

The last fifteen minutes of the game were so surreal. United settled for a draw and so did we.

I'll bet all the other clubs in the relegation zone are not best pleased. How do United play their last game against Blackpool; let them win??

How can a football club who are so powerful be allowed to dictate who stays up and who goes down?

Could United and Rovers get points deducted for collaberating to send other teams down?

It's a worry.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Hoilett twinged his hamstring, thats why he came off.

Andrews coming on made sense - Samba being injured so therefore placing Givet at CB, moving Olsson to LB, Pedersen to LM and Andrews to CM.

Can't fault anybody today. Robbo has saved more points than he has conceded but today was his error. Stonewall penalty.

I haven't seen the penalty - except from the far end of the ground. However - lots of reports seem to think that it was an extremely dodgy penalty. However - we can debate all we want - it was given (with an overly bias referee it always was going to be - irrespective of its merits) and we drew the match.

[Mercer]

Anyone else had problems with United fans in home areas - we had quite a number in the Jack Walker stand - but the stewards did nothing. Please could somebody PM me Tom Finn's mails address if they have it - I am absolutely disgusted how the club have handled this. Yet again threats made to home fans - but nothing done to away fans - even the 7k all standing the DE. Rovers must be one of the few clubs in the premiership that gives so much preference to away fans.

When they scored, loads of us were pointing out 2 Mancs in particular who were threatening to inflame the situation. All the steward did was to tell them repeatedly to sit down. An absolute disgrace and a spineless effort. Just more evidence of talking the talk but not walking the walk. Me and a mate were tempted to have a go ourselves but who would have ended-up being thrown out ?

[Roverdale]

J Jones had already fouled one of them. So Mr Dowd was correct on that one.

However, if Dowd has not been bribed or does not have a bias towards Man U or against us, then he is such a poor ref he needs to be demoted forthwith. On the other hand, if he is a good ref, then, IMO, he is corrupt. Does that make sense?

The last fifteen minutes of the game were so surreal. United settled for a draw and so did we.

I'll bet all the other clubs in the relegation zone are not best pleased. How do United play their last game against Blackpool; let them win??

How can a football club who are so powerful be allowed to dictate who stays up and who goes down?

Could United and Rovers get points deducted for collaberating to send other teams down?

It's a worry.

1 in a million chance they're gonna rise up and deduct us points. Any team in our situation would have been happy with a point against United the FA can hardly say 'Relegation strugglers Blackburn Rovers should not have settled for 1 point against champions Manchester United'. Even the anti-Rovers clan up there would have trouble making that stick.

Edit: I don't think Dowd is biased I just think he's a crap ref. More mistakes than bias in my opinion.

[RevidgeBlue]

Absolutley disgusted with that last 13 minutes from Rovers, you can't blame United for doing that, they KNOW a point's enough for them.

We don't yet know whether a point today was enough today. It would have been fine if not strictly in the spirit of the game to do that had Blackpool and Wolves been losing or even drawing but I presume we knew they were winning. If we lose unluckily next week we might be wishing we'd tried in those last 13 minutes.

And if you're Chelsea and the Premier League what do you make of those shenanigans? Not what the game's about at all.

As for the rest of the game, one of the worst I've seen, us camped on the edge of our own area for 90 mins but still losing out to a very dodgy penalty imo. Not seen the replay but in real time the United player appeared to have put the ball out or at least had no chance of getting it. Therefore not a penalty imo.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

I'd rather do that than surge forward and leave gaps at the back when we didn't need to.

[MarkBRFC71]

When they scored, loads of us were pointing out 2 Mancs in particular who were threatening to inflame the situation. All the steward did was to tell them repeatedly to sit down. An absolute disgrace and a spineless effort. Just more evidence of talking the talk but not walking the walk. Me and a mate were tempted to have a go ourselves but who would have ended-up being thrown out ?

There was one in N01, about row 10. He jumped up when the pen went in, and got a bit of a shoeing before the stewards dragged him out. A Rovers fan coming up the stairs caught him with a cracker while he was being manhandled out by 2 stewards. It all went a bit keystone cops then - about 5 enraged Rovers fans followed them out, then about another 5 stewards. Didn't see any others though.

[thenodrog]

Rooney can't help it can he? He scored the pen and than ran to the Utd fans to shout ' (Please don't use that word again) Off'. Doubt it will ever be mentioned.

[Tom]

Yup I'd take a point over 0 any day and us going at them would more likely make that 1 point 0 than 3.

[RevidgeBlue]

When they scored, loads of us were pointing out 2 Mancs in particular who were threatening to inflame the situation. All the steward did was to tell them repeatedly to sit down. An absolute disgrace and a spineless effort. Just more evidence of talking the talk but not walking the walk. Me and a mate were tempted to have a go ourselves but who would have ended-up being thrown out ?

To be fair there seemed to be a zero tolerance approach near me in JW upper.

When they scored a middle aged bloke celebrated in not entirely unreasonable fashion and was promptly carted off by the stewards. He also took it in good grace, "I paid my money and I knew what I was getting into" fashion.

I'm afraid inflamed by the dubious penalty I shouted far worse after him as I invited him to go forth and multiply whilst on the road back to London as he was led out.

[Ferrit]

Hoilett twinged his hamstring, thats why he came off.

Andrews coming on made sense - Samba being injured so therefore placing Givet at CB, moving Olsson to LB, Pedersen to LM and Andrews to CM.

Can't fault anybody today. Robbo has saved more points than he has conceded but today was his error. Stonewall penalty.

Plus he had no choice but to make that change, we had no defensive subs on the bench.

[malk]

Has anyone banging on about it being a "stonewall" penalty watched the replay? Hernandez boots it out of play and then takes all the weight off his legs before draping his left over Robinson.

Now Robinson didn't need to go in as he did but it was a cynical dive that in no way could have produced a goal. Then how Salgado was the only player to be booked afterwards was beyond belief. Well, would be if it wasn't against United.

Anyway, good result in the end and gives some hope for next year with the obvious caveats of staying up and keeping hold of players. We're actually not too far from having a decent side again. A good striker and continued good play from Hoilett, Olsson etc would do us right.

[thenodrog]

Absolutley disgusted with that last 13 minutes from Rovers, you can't blame United for doing that, they KNOW a point's enough for them.

Missed going to the match but saw it in some Irish bar. Tell me was there a chorus of boos that greeted all our sideways passing along the back line Simon? If not it's odd cos there was when we were 3-0 up under the last manager.

[tony gale's mic]

Absolutley disgusted with that last 13 minutes from Rovers, you can't blame United for doing that, they KNOW a point's enough for them.

We don't yet know whether a point today was enough today. It would have been fine if not strictly in the spirit of the game to do that had Blackpool and Wolves been losing or even drawing but I presume we knew they were winning. If we lose unluckily next week we might be wishing we'd tried in those last 13 minutes.

And if you're Chelsea and the Premier League what do you make of those shenanigans? Not what the game's about at all.

As for the rest of the game, one of the worst I've seen, us camped on the edge of our own area for 90 mins but still losing out to a very dodgy penalty imo. Not seen the replay but in real time the United player appeared to have put the ball out or at least had no chance of getting it. Therefore not a penalty imo.

I've been critical of a lot of things Kean's done but I think it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. A point is a good result and United mightve been happy with the point but if the chance game to counter attack then they'd still go forward and score, it's in their instincts. It's hard to blame Kean if he said he was happy with the draw - looking at the current table that point is absolutely crucial.

And it was a penalty. Irrelevant if Hernandez had taken the ball too far, the ball was still in play and Robbo made contact with Hernandez and not the ball.

[Mercer]

Absolutley disgusted with that last 13 minutes from Rovers, you can't blame United for doing that, they KNOW a point's enough for them.

We don't yet know whether a point today was enough today. It would have been fine if not strictly in the spirit of the game to do that had Blackpool and Wolves been losing or even drawing but I presume we knew they were winning. If we lose unluckily next week we might be wishing we'd tried in those last 13 minutes.

And if you're Chelsea and the Premier League what do you make of those shenanigans? Not what the game's about at all.

As for the rest of the game, one of the worst I've seen, us camped on the edge of our own area for 90 mins but still losing out to a very dodgy penalty imo. Not seen the replay but in real time the United player appeared to have put the ball out or at least had no chance of getting it. Therefore not a penalty imo.

I've also made this point. You are absolutely spot-on.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Absolutley disgusted with that last 13 minutes from Rovers, you can't blame United for doing that, they KNOW a point's enough for them.

We don't yet know whether a point today was enough today. It would have been fine if not strictly in the spirit of the game to do that had Blackpool and Wolves been losing or even drawing but I presume we knew they were winning. If we lose unluckily next week we might be wishing we'd tried in those last 13 minutes.

And if you're Chelsea and the Premier League what do you make of those shenanigans? Not what the game's about at all.

As for the rest of the game, one of the worst I've seen, us camped on the edge of our own area for 90 mins but still losing out to a very dodgy penalty imo. Not seen the replay but in real time the United player appeared to have put the ball out or at least had no chance of getting it. Therefore not a penalty imo.

Rev - that point means that Blackpool need to win at Old Trafford - Wigan need to beat West Ham and Stoke away - Birmingham need at least two points against Fulham and Spuds - and we only need a point at Wolves to stay up. Without that point we would have been even deeper in the doggy do. I agree with your sentiment - and it could come back to haunt us - but prior to this match many of us were happy just to keep our goal difference fairly intact - so lets not demean a point that could so easily have been taken away if we had pressed too much. Especially with a referee star struck by the United players and the occasion (being extremely kind)

[thenodrog]

Has anyone banging on about it being a "stonewall" penalty watched the replay? Hernandez boots it out of play and then takes all the weight off his legs before draping his left over Robinson.

Now Robinson didn't need to go in as he did but it was a cynical dive that in no way could have produced a goal. Then how Salgado was the only player to be booked afterwards was beyond belief. Well, would be if it wasn't against United.

Correct malk.

Also how was Vidic not booked for not retreating when Dowd told him to and htf was Scholes not yellow carded for his foul on MGP given that Jones and NZonzi were so harshly treated? After 50 years of watching football it's still all about big club bias and it's still sickening.

Would a video referee have given that penalty? I wonder also whether video refereeing will go down well with the big clubs? They'll prob make all the right noises but I should think they will be working away together behind the scenes to prevent it being implemented.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I've also made this point. You are absolutely spot-on.

Are you serious ? The Premier League will do absolutely nothing !

[RevidgeBlue]

If not it's odd cos there was when we were 3-0 up under the last manager.

Why do you keep going on about that completely irrelevany and trivial incident Gordon?

If you're 3-0 up and the game is already won it's simply not acceptable to deliberately pass up a golden chance to make it 4-0. Hence the justified booing.

If conversely the score had been 1-0 it might easily be classed as an example of canny play.

Hope you're having a good time btw. Everyone was asking where "the oracle" was at the ground.

[JAL]

Why are all United fans without hair and wearing black jackets of various makes.

They seemed to be pushing the Dingles for the Norths scruffiest supporters award today down at Ewood Park.

Come on Fergie have a word with your fans.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Correct malk.

Also how was Vidic not booked for not retreating when Dowd told him to and htf was Scholes not yellow carded for his foul on MGP given that Jones and NZonzi were so harshly treated? After 50 years of watching football it's still all about big club bias and it's still sickening.

Would a video referee have given that penalty? I wonder also whether video refereeing will go down well with the big clubs? They'll prob make all the right noises but I should think they will be working away together behind the scenes to prevent it being implemented.

Re the video ref. There's no way the big clubs will go for that, it's not in their interests. It's fine for them the way it is now.

[robbo_rovers]

Haven't seen a replay of the pen so not sure.

BUT, at the time the ref never blew for a pen. The linesman never flagged for a pen. Yet the ref went over and all of a sudden it was a pen. Seemed a very dodgy way to come to a decision in my opinion.

Both were obviously not 100% sure, so surely that means no pen? Regardless of the what the replays suggest.

[broadsword]

Very good point, perhaps the sight of Vidic running towards them screaming tilted the decision in their favour.