[Archived] Venky's are good for Rovers...

[Paul]

What other businesses have The Raos owned Theno that they have deserted and run from? I am genuinely interested is your opinion based on insider information or just a generic opinion about Indian business people? Also wondering in what context do you continue to call them 'mob'?

One of the brothers bought a Bollywood film production / studio company, signed a number of big names, invested cash in people. It flopped and is now mothballed.

I can't recall the names but this definitely happened.

[imy9]

One of the brothers bought a Bollywood film production / studio company, signed a number of big names, invested cash in people. It flopped and is now mothballed.

I can't recall the names but this definitely happened.

I do recall checking out one of the films and it was a big hit and made lots of money, haven't read anywhere that this flopped- newspaper article where the bloke spent months in India researching them is my reference.

Jim you said we would be relegated- I'll check it out tomorrow- if I'm wrong I'll apologise, if someone calls you something that is idiotic and makes no sense like Mob to The Raos I'll point it out-nothing touching about it-glad you were moved by my gesture

[Parsonblue]

Investment/business whatever you want to call it. The Raos have a track record of success and as the documentaries showed us are decent people who have done a lot of philanthropic work, use of the word 'mob' is baffling as well as a idiotic.

Have they got a track record in running a football club? No. Their track record in other activities is meaningless. Football is not a business in the normal sense of the word. I think the documentary with Alan Sugar showed that shrewd businessmen often come to grief when they try to apply their normal business methods to football. The Raos track record of running the Rovers so far has been some way sort of successful.

[cruz]

Who would buy the club? There wasn't exactly a queue around the block for our "well run club"

We are stuck with Venkys for the foreseeable. Three cheers for the Walker Trust. Jack must be spinning

[47er]

I do recall checking out one of the films and it was a big hit and made lots of money, haven't read anywhere that this flopped- newspaper article where the bloke spent months in India researching them is my reference.

Jim you said we would be relegated- I'll check it out tomorrow- if I'm wrong I'll apologise, if someone calls you something that is idiotic and makes no sense like Mob to The Raos I'll point it out-nothing touching about it-glad you were moved by my gesture

You are undoubtedly an apologist for Venkys though. Why?

[deryck guyler's spoon]

You are undoubtedly an apologist for Venkys though. Why?

I reckon that you were an "apologist" for Venky's at one point. You were as desperate to see the back of The Trust as I and others were. Since their ill judged decision to sack Allardyce you havn't let up though. Almost as if you are more a fan of the arch pragmatist than the club itself.

You've really bought into the mob mentality and hysteria on here which is a shame.

[XLM]

But the thing is, people like me had doubts right from the off with this lot.

And then other people said "wait and see" despite the fact their press conferences were increasingly bizzare.

Then they sacked Sam who was a very good manager and brought in a novice. And we felt our doubts were getting proven.

Then other people said "wait and see" despite that. Some numbskulls even celebrated.

Then Kean produced two awful performances against Stoke and West Ham.

"Wait and see".

A couple of new manager bounce wins against dispirited sides meant very little, and then we were back onto form which will take us within an inch of relegation.

We can't change the owners, but we sure as hell can change the manager. We're fed up of waiting and seeing with him.

As regards Venky's, if they learn to stay out of on pitch affairs and appoint a half decent manager, people will start to give them a break. Until then, people will quite rightly criticise what they're doing to our club.

You are such a bore. I can't read one page of this forum without reading your opinion again. Give other people a chance to have their say. If your opinions change, feel free to notify us. Otherwise we all know where you stand so kindly keep schtum.

[imy9]

You are undoubtedly an apologist for Venkys though. Why?

Apologist because I can see that they have some positives? Don't you get bored asking me the same questions?

[PAFELL]

Venkys are good for us, people need to look beyond thier opening months in charge and see the bigger picture. Since the beginning of Hughes reign in 2004 til Allardyce left we have been on a shoe string budget. Looking at free's and loan players whilst permanent deals were usually valued at 3 million and below bar Kalinic. I mean for god sake, after a whole summer looking for a striker we end up having Benjani on a one year contract, add to the fact that Allardyce nearly left in the summer because there was no money, for a English manager to consider leaving an English team in the premier league to go to Dubai or where ever just shows the situation we were in.

Venkys have come in and promised a minimum of 5 million every window, January is never a good time to buy, so looking at the end of the january transfer window bringing in Rochina and Formica on permanents and Cruz and Jones on loans in reality was a postive window. So looking at the activity now, Jones have been a success, Rochina could well turn out to be a real bargin, Formica cannot yet be judged and Cruz overall has been a disappointing. more goods than bads. they crave a "Marquee" signing for the summer and if they can afford it without putting a financial strain on things then why not, alas, our last "Marquee" signing of sorts was a 34 year old right back on a free. Kean has implyed the owners will back him generously this summer, they too have claimed the same, so for once, we could well be going into a summer where we may well manage to get our top of the list signings instead of having to make to with 6th or 7th choice.

People will retaliate to this by bringing up the "they sacked Allardyce, they brought in a novice in Kean". Yes in reality one was a big mistake, and one is looking as if it was mistake but Kean still has time to change that view, unless he fails to keep us up then it will be a shambles. But in Kean, we do have a guy who wants to suceed, we have a guy who wants to play good football, we have a guy who can become a good manager and importantly, we have a guy that the players play for, at least we are not seeing a liverpool scenario under Hodgson where the players couldn't give a rats ass about him, (Gerrard definatly missed that pen against us on purpose). Unfortuantly for Venkys these mistakes so early in thier reign has brought Negatvity, but what if they go the next 10 years without making any. Jack, as much as i love the guy, made two mistakes in not improving the squad following the title winning season, in which then signalled a decline, and then brought in Brian Kidd to replace Hodgson which in turn got us RELEGATED. Jack Made two big mistakes in 10 years, Venkys have made two in 5 months but could well end up not making any for a long time.

I know some people will argue against what im saying but personally im sick of all this negative crap every single time i come on this forum, we have owners who want to improve us on and off the field what is so wrong about that. Personally,If we stay up, which i think we will, Kean and Venkys have a clean slate to start again.

You have brought up 'some' good points, things to consider. For the sake of the club I want Venkys to be a success. Yes they have made mistakes. Their dealings with the media has been appalling. (Kean is just as bad. I notice he tells the opposition how Rovers are going to play before the match.)

The Walker Trust sold Rovers to venky's. So for their sakes and the clubs, I want them to prove us all wrong and make the right decisions this summer. I accept nothing can be planned until we know where the club are playing.

But as things stand now, venky's are an embarrassment and a laughing stock here in this country and in India. They have got themselves and the club in a hole. I would like them to give us reason why they should expect us to trust them. They have asked us to trust them.

Ok then I say to them, "Tell us why we should trust you. Because up to now the things you have done to the club are not pleasing to those who support the club or for that matter in the football world. I would like venkys to be a success, because that would mean the club would also be successful. Up to now I see nothing positive that venkys have done to the club. I was always taught that trust isn't automatic, it has to be earned, in the same way as respect is also earned. You do not get given at birth, a good reputation, you have to earn it. Things may be different overseas - but here venkys need to understand they need to earn the trust and the respect of the supporters. When that happens the supporters will support them all the way. So it is up to them to earn the trust and the respect of the supporters, we cannot do it for them. Venky's you have work - a lot of work - to do.

[imy9]

I said there's a possibility we'll be relegated which might be right (although hopefully wrong) and I'm doubting (not stating as a fact) they will spend this summer.

Your defence of this "mob" (general term, not mafia) is very touching.

"If Allardyce were to leave I predict relegation if not this season then certainly next season." Pretty clear no?

"if Kean avoids relegation I'll take my hat off to him" I look forward to you giving Kean praise at the end of the season

[chris]

Do you want to bet ? I would wager it will be somewhat less - by about £15m.

Remember what you said about being realistic, they are going to spend they said so the question is how much

[Mc Love]

But the thing is, people like me had doubts right from the off with this lot.

And then other people said "wait and see" despite the fact their press conferences were increasingly bizzare.

Then they sacked Sam who was a very good manager and brought in a novice. And we felt our doubts were getting proven.

Then other people said "wait and see" despite that. Some numbskulls even celebrated.

Then Kean produced two awful performances against Stoke and West Ham.

"Wait and see".

A couple of new manager bounce wins against dispirited sides meant very little, and then we were back onto form which will take us within an inch of relegation.

We can't change the owners, but we sure as hell can change the manager. We're fed up of waiting and seeing with him.

As regards Venky's, if they learn to stay out of on pitch affairs and appoint a half decent manager, people will start to give them a break. Until then, people will quite rightly criticise what they're doing to our club.

You forgot to add in:

Then they had the great idea of running the club without a chairman at the helm John Williams because imho he was getting in the way.

"Wait and see"

[47er]

I reckon that you were an "apologist" for Venky's at one point. You were as desperate to see the back of The Trust as I and others were. Since their ill judged decision to sack Allardyce you havn't let up though. Almost as if you are more a fan of the arch pragmatist than the club itself.

You've really bought into the mob mentality and hysteria on here which is a shame.

LOL! Everybody here can see some positives Imy but just about no-one defends them as strongly as you do or as often.

DGS---I've responded to this issue at least twice bit I'll restate my position since you obviously missed it.

An apologist continues to defend someone or something even though its obvious to all that there are serious problems. Comical Ali comes to mind! I was desperate for the right people to buy the club because the Walker Trust was running it into the ground and were determined to sell.

So I welcomed Venkys with open arms because what they said in the early days made sense and promised much. However they've made a series of bad decisions since then and, as you correctly identify, sacking Allardyce was "ill judged" as you put it but I'd put it more strongly.. As I've said before, I still hold the hope that we can avoid relegation and we'll all have a fresh start.This means Venkys learning by their mistakes and at the very least employing a new and credible manager. I'm not one of those regretting the passing of the Walkers. There was no future there.

This is pragmatism perhaps but its also common sense and not glossing over the problems. The bulls**t should be left to Kean. When I read it on here I respond accordingly.

[pedebumchin]

Firstly, I don't think that anyone can deny that Venky's have made some very very questionable decisions, they have taken a relatively stable mid-table premier league club and put us in a relegation battle by simply changing the manager.

However long-term their ownership of our beloved club should work out and should provide us with a great or at least modest future. Should being the most important words in that sentence.

They do have some cash behind them, that cannot be denied but they do need to put some of that forward this summer to strengthen the squad. For me, the jury is still out on them but I am not entirely confident that the summer spending will be as much as some fans hope or perhaps as much as we need.

[imy9]

47er- a person without an agenda would see all sides of an argument, the problems with The Raos are clear to see, I have mentioned them before but they are our owners and will be for the forseeable future.

An apologist makes me laugh, could you give me an example of a comment that I have made which is 'Comical Ali' esque? Or are you talking without thinking...again.

[broadsword]

You forgot to add in:

Then they had the great idea of running the club without a chairman at the helm John Williams because imho he was getting in the way.

"Wait and see"

It's all part of a master-plan that we fans, with our weak and feeble minds, cannot possibly perceive.

I await with interest the next moves of the Rao's, it surely cannot be long until we are beating Manchester Wanderers. Teams like the Wolfs we should be beating easily. And we can do it with players on lease, we can get into Europe and play like Barcelona. Leave it to Barry White Venky.

Isn't life grand?

[yeti-dog]

Worst post of the year?

No...that would be most of yours.

The poster made some reasonable points and your typically arrogant dismissal of them doesn't surprise me.

You are such a bore. I can't read one page of this forum without reading your opinion again. Give other people a chance to have their say. If your opinions change, feel free to notify us. Otherwise we all know where you stand so kindly keep schtum.

Couldn't have put it better myself...

[Mattyblue]

I believe IF we stay up, that the club can get on an even keel, but to say that they will continue to support the club if relegated is just a stab in the dark.

BRFC outside the Premier League has no purpose for Venky's. Our wage bill in relation to income would quickly spiral out of control- you honestly think the Rao's would continue to prop up the club?

I suppose it is possible, but by god I don't want to take that chance.

[OscarRaven]

Walker Trust: 10 years of Premier league stabilty.

Venkys: less than 6 months to undo the above and in all probability ensure we are in the relegation mix on the last day of the season.

I just don't buy this we would have been relegated under the Walker Trust. It's just not supported by any facts or data.

Red Bull Racing, don't make me laugh. These are bored millonaires who have watched to much Sky hype and want to see themselves on TV.

The prospect of a firesale remains, mortgages have been taken out on every asset and funding so far is insignificant compared to what the trust put in (and wrote off). I just look at the facts and actions of the people involved. If anyone thinks this is going to end well then your at best lacking perception and at worst deluded.

[PAFELL]

Walker Trust: 10 years of Premier league stabilty.

Venkys: less than 6 months to undo the above and in all probability ensure we are in the relegation mix on the last day of the season.

I just don't buy this we would have been relegated under the Walker Trust. It's just not supported by any facts or data.

Red Bull Racing, don't make me laugh. These are bored millonaires who have watched to much Sky hype and want to see themselves on TV.

The prospect of a firesale remains, mortgages have been taken out on every asset and funding so far is insignificant compared to what the trust put in (and wrote off). I just look at the facts and actions of the people involved. If anyone thinks this is going to end well then your at best lacking perception and at worst deluded.

Where do you get imformation from. You post it but can it be proved.

[cruz]

I just don't buy this we would have been relegated under the Walker Trust.

Lack of investment would have seen us relegated sooner rather than later. All we had to look forward to was re-signing dross like Pedersen whilst weakly claiming that replacing him would have cost millions when a plastic dustbin in a blonde wig would have been just as effective.

Just look at the teams above us. They have all spent millions more. This years struggle is just a sign of things to come unless the owners invest and invest wisely. Hoopefully we won't splash £6m on donuts like Niko and filmstar wages on has-beens like Santa Cruz

[A cup of beans]

47er- a person without an agenda would see all sides of an argument, the problems with The Raos are clear to see, I have mentioned them before but they are our owners and will be for the forseeable future.

An apologist makes me laugh, could you give me an example of a comment that I have made which is 'Comical Ali' esque? Or are you talking without thinking...again.

youre wasting your time trying to reason with 47er. he'll just pick arguments with anyone and never sees reason, because he doesnt want to.

he's like an annoying wasp..

reasonable rovers fans, will at least give the new owners time.

even mattyblue is prepared to do that.. and i applaud him for that!

[thenodrog]

Jim you said we would be relegated- I'll check it out tomorrow- if I'm wrong I'll apologise,

Id wait until the Wolves match is behind us before starting out on that road imy. You might easily end up looking a right plonker.......

btw mob.... take your pick.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/mob_1

[thenodrog]

So I welcomed Venkys with open arms

I know appearences are deceiving but I was put off em the minute I clapped eyes on em.

[Gav]

This thread should be part of any BRFCS induction process, and all new users should be made to read it before posting.

It shows the characteristics of many of the main protagonists and is a must for all new posters.

Its only 3 pages long, I challenge you all to read it in its entirety and I'm sure you'll get what i mean