[Archived] Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here

[Oklahoma]

Completely understand your post, CrazyIvan (and lovely avatar, btw!)

Even though I'm not able to support Rovers in the stadium, I try to support in any way I can.

Yes, we have been terrible in the last few months. but even if we were last, I would still support the team.

It's not the best in the world but it's the best we have!!

Venky's made a few mistakes but people have a short memory. In football, as in our lives, we are bound to make mistakes.

But people only remember the last mistakes.

For example, would I want Sam has our manager? NO!!

But a better replacement should be lined up...

I guess some of the people here spent the whole season of 1994/95 complaining of the team too...

[onlyonejackwalker]

Fair enough! You're one of the few that aren't being total hypocrits in berating the current negative fans then. Most of the rest spent 2 years whining about Allardyce and are now up in arms about others doing the same with Kean.

I must admit I'm a critic but only on here and only because I genuinely think it would benefit the club if he was sacked. At games I'm as supportive as anyone (minus the "Steve Kean's Blue and White Army" chant for now) and I think most of his other critics are on here judging by the great backing against City and Bolton.

In that sense the current negativists are behaving with a lot more loyalty and respect than the old ones used to when they chanted "4-4-2", "Big Sam sort it out" and all their other rubbish at Allardyce.

Well said....^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I fully understand your point CrazyIvan. I have been irritated with myself sometimes for the level of annoyance and distrust I have felt at the events taking place at the Rovers and this will have been affecting my outlook and viewpoint.

However, we have a global economic crisis and UK recession and many have felt the pinch. I pay for my son's, mother's and my own season tickets and also wax money on away travel as well.

I have two eyes and my brain still functions and coupled with investing my hard earnt money to support the club, plus my 35 year supporting, I personally feel this gives me the right to comment on all things Rovers even if some, you included believe this to be negative.

The problem I have is when I accurately quoting stats and figures relating to the reign of this manager, I am jumped on for being negative. Facts are of course facts, not impressions or opinions and people need to be able to differentiate between the two.

[OscarRaven]

I took myself away from the forum for a while because I was (and still am) sick of the endless negative bullshi* that's been spouted on here.

So you went away because it was getting you down, came back and decided that the first thing you should post is this intolerant whinge?

Good stuff. Keep it up, I'm sure you will foster plenty positivity through that radical approach.

[CrazyIvan]

So you went away because it was getting you down, came back and decided that the first thing you should post is this intolerant whinge?

Good stuff. Keep it up, I'm sure you will foster plenty positivity through that radical approach.

Ah, good to see reason and sense don't take a back seat with you then... Did you actually read what I said? There was NOTHING intolerant about it. Your post is, frankly, intolerant, ignorant and rude. My point is definitely upheld by your post.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Welcome back.

I've missed your avatar

Gotta say I agree - definitely wins the award for the best avatar.

Dare I say it - but the post made sense as well - ooopss sorry - too positive

IF we stay up - there are lots of reasons to be optimistic - if we can keep this team together. We can only hope that Kean and the Venky's have learnt from their mistakes. If they have - we could be in for better times.

[CrazyIvan]

Well said....^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I fully understand your point CrazyIvan. I have been irritated with myself sometimes for the level of annoyance and distrust I have felt at the events taking place at the Rovers and this will have been affecting my outlook and viewpoint.

However, we have a global economic crisis and UK recession and many have felt the pinch. I pay for my son's, mother's and my own season tickets and also wax money on away travel as well.

I have two eyes and my brain still functions and coupled with investing my hard earnt money to support the club, plus my 35 year supporting, I personally feel this gives me the right to comment on all things Rovers even if some, you included believe this to be negative.

The problem I have is when I accurately quoting stats and figures relating to the reign of this manager, I am jumped on for being negative. Facts are of course facts, not impressions or opinions and people need to be able to differentiate between the two.

My point is not that people post negative things but that people post rumours as truth, falsehoods as fact and regurgitate the same old things over and over. I have nothing against, and in fact fully support, honest debate and an open approach to our situation. I am a positive person and that's how I see life. Others aren't like that. That's ok. It's not that that annoys me, it's the rubbish continually spouted over and over.

The financial situation has hit us too. My wife has been made redundant and we are doing our best to cope with it. The upcoming move to Australia is putting that under some more strain too... It doesn't help. Rovers to be doing well would make life easier, that they are not makes it a little harder but that's us as football fans in a nutshell.

[DE.]

It was worse during the end of Souness' reign IMO (wasn't the board put on lock-down after some matches?), and only marginally less so when Allardyce was in charge - regardless of his success.

I'm surprised people would invest enough emotion into an internet message board to become genuinely depressed over it. But then, I'm not an especially emotional person so maybe it's just me.

[imy9]

Great to have you back Ivan, your contributions have been missed. Thread is valid and restores a little balance in the universe!

[tony gale's mic]

The only bit I agree with is that yes, some people have been posting rumours as fact with regards to the SEM/Jerome Anderson business.

But that's not been the source of the vast majority of the negativity. It's what happens on the pitch that bothers me and most others on here I think. If Jerome Anderson has a large influence on our club and we're doing well, people won't really care. If we're doing badly, then it's a natural reaction that people will look for reasons why. I personally haven't posted much about the SEM business but I can see why others have tried to piece together stuff thats happened behind the scenes.

The source of the vast majority of the negativity on here has been the sharp decline this football club has taken since Venky's took charge. It's been a series of decisions that have been made which have been severely detrimental to our club and put the future of our club in jeopardy. Not in the sense of the existence of our club, but that if we go down, it'd be very, very difficult to get back up. And if we do stay up, it'll be by the thinnest of margins.

When it comes to that, people are dealing SOLELY in facts. To say that people are dealing with rumours there is rubbish. It's a fact that our club removed a successful experienced manager and appointed a novice. It's a fact that JJ apart, they spent a load of money which has not helped one bit in our current situation (Rocinha could end up being very good but his usage has arguably cost us goals vs Everton and City). It's a fact that this manager has taken us way down the table, but Venky's have done nothing about it. It's a fact that JW has left, and whilst it's a not a fact that he was pushed, all indications have been that his diminished role at the club is what led to his departure. I could go on, and on.

If Venky's get a decent manager in, if we start winning matches, if they start making press statements befitting of owners who know a bit about running a football club, most of us will forgive them. There's one or two on here who I think have certain ulterior motives against Venky's (I think we know who they are), but on the whole our fans are a good bunch who will react to whichever situation theyre faced with. If we stick with Kean over summer, our fans will rightly complain and be upset. If he then starts the first half of the season well, again all will be forgiven.

It's a fairly simple and sensible approach. To dismiss it as some kind of hysteria when in in seven short months we've gone from five years of stability and success (save the few Ince months) to potentially facing lower league football for years to come is completely wrong.

[OscarRaven]

Ah, good to see reason and sense don't take a back seat with you then... Did you actually read what I said? There was NOTHING intolerant about it. Your post is, frankly, intolerant, ignorant and rude. My point is definitely upheld by your post.

The board is a collection of opinion, your first paragraph is a direct attack on those opinions (sorry how did you describe those opinions, was it bullsh!t?)

Your regular poster status is getting you a bit of a love in, but your not making any sense to me. What exactly are you trying to achieve with this topic? I'll tell you what it looks like to me - "guess what everyone I went away had a little sulk and now I'm back, still not happy though". Its all a bit self indulgent if you ask me.

Live and let live, try not to steer the board - opinions are what makes life interesting.

I'm sorry you find my post intolerant, ignorant and rude but I think your lacking a bit of perspective if that is the case.

[CrazyIvan]

The board is a collection of opinion, your first paragraph is a direct attack on those opinions (sorry how did you describe those opinions, was it bullsh!t?)

Your regular poster status is getting you a bit of a love in, but your not making any sense to me. What exactly are you trying to achieve with this topic? I'll tell you what it looks like to me - "guess what everyone I went away had a little sulk and now I'm back, still not happy though". Its all a bit self indulgent if you ask me.

Live and let live, try not to steer the board - opinions are what makes life interesting.

I'm sorry you find my post intolerant, ignorant and rude but I think your lacking a bit of perspective if that is the case.

You are entitled to your opinion. You don't know me though. I've never sulked in my life! However, I decided that some people who shall remain nameless had made me a target and were abusive. I took myself out of that situation.

[tony gale's mic]

You are entitled to your opinion. You don't know me though. I've never sulked in my life! However, I decided that some people who shall remain nameless had made me a target and were abusive. I took myself out of that situation.

I really hope you're not this sensitive off the forum. Genuinely.

[BuckyRover]

I really hope you're not this sensitive off the forum. Genuinely.

Did you play in the NHS charity powerleague event last week?

[tony gale's mic]

Did you play in the NHS charity powerleague event last week?

No?

[BuckyRover]

No?

No problem.

I don't know how well known it was (as I don't work in the NHS). It was for the local childrens hospital.

[tony gale's mic]

No problem.

I don't know how well known it was (as I don't work in the NHS). It was for the local childrens hospital.

Ah okay, I worked in the Leeds Trust last year, not this year.

I think that those who are campaigning for the children's hospital are doing a very altruistic thing, however it does seem to ignore the fact that the whole reason why this review was announced was because too many children nationwide were dying from heart surgery and that spreading things out and having fewer more specialised centres had been shown in other countries to improve things. Anyway that's another matter altogether.

[Baz]

You are entitled to your opinion. You don't know me though. I've never sulked in my life! However, I decided that some people who shall remain nameless had made me a target and were abusive. I took myself out of that situation.

I think if there is a problem with the board, this is it. Some posters get a lot of stick, and a lot of it gets very personal.

[den]

I'm not going to argue about this as it, frankly, distracts from my original post and is a real example of what I said. Taking the whole and picking apart a tiny bit.

You were making a point that the strikers weren't scoring and that's not Steve Keans fault. In other words you were suggesting that our problems are down to the strikers and not to Steve Kean, which is pretty naieve. If I'm wrong on that and you were just taking the strikers as an instance, it's pretty meaningless on it's own.

If you don't want people responding to your posts then then don't post them in the first place.

[Amo]

Too many egos.

Pure and simple.

[den]

Sometimes this site is like a room full of teenage girls when Justin Biebers in the house! (Or for Jim mk11 and Den - Donny Osmand)

You have to roll with the punches Ivan, take the rough with the smooth and take everything on here with a pinch of salt.

Donny Osmond - where the hell did that come from?

Well I guess that if I'm Donny Osmond, Gav would have to be Joe Bugner, because:

Gav's a good example of how to roll with the punches Ivan. He's had a lot of 'em to take recently.

[BuckyRover]

Gav's a good example of how to roll with the punches Ivan. He's had a lot of 'em to take recently.

You need to Ivan a bit of leeway though. He's Crazy

[CrazyIvan]

I really hope you're not this sensitive off the forum. Genuinely.

Again, you don't know me and you don't know what happened so...

You were making a point that the strikers weren't scoring and that's not Steve Keans fault. In other words you were suggesting that our problems are down to the strikers and not to Steve Kean, which is pretty naieve. If I'm wrong on that and you were just taking the strikers as an instance, it's pretty meaningless on it's own.

If you don't want people responding to your posts then then don't post them in the first place.

I'd like people to respond to what I actually wrote. I never mentioned Steve Kean as being not responsible. I said Venkys aren't responsible for the strikers not scoring. Respond to what I wrote not what you think I wrote.

[den]

Again, you don't know me and you don't know what happened so...

I'd like people to respond to what I actually wrote. I never mentioned Steve Kean as being not responsible. I said Venkys aren't responsible for the strikers not scoring. Respond to what I wrote not what you think I wrote.

I know you did. I said they were.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Moving to Australia is taking up some considerable time and effort.

Are you bringing your avatar?

[BuckyRover]

I know you are. I said you are.

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