[Archived] Could it get worse ?

[Majiball]

I can't believe they forgot to ask if we had been paying bungs to unregistered agents.

Idiots.

It shows a lot of posters on here to be completely unreasonable. When I first saw the headline, I thought to myself "I cannot defend Venky's if they have been paying bungs, it's indefensible".

Other people seem to have concluded that they can still blame Venky's for it. Intimating that because they have commented on it (Why on earth would they not comment?) it's now their fault for dropping the previous owners in it.

The logic there is that they have dobbed them in (forgetting the sun evidence that has been passed to the FA) so it's their fault.

WTF?

Get a grip

Some people like to wash their laundry in public and others like to wash it privately.

Their decisions look likely to have kept us in the league (not bad for total novices).

The 'Experts' have landed us with a potential FA investigation.

Go figure.

Are you seriously giving them praise for saving us????

If I take you to a cliff edge and push you off said cliff and then go on to save you afterwards do I deserve praise for saving you, or locking up for pushing you in the first place?

The 'experts' as you call them guided and funded our club for the best part of 10 years without any of the nonsense we see going on these days, they deserve some respect and todays antics don't display that.

[Al]

I fail to see how Rovers can be accused of making illegal payments if no money left their account. It came from Givet's account so unless Rovers gave Givet the money to pass on there can be no illegal payment. That would be a stupid arrangement and I can't believe that Rovers would tell him that he had to make a payment.

It's hard to see how Rovers could have had any involvement. If the facts are as they have been printed it can only involve the player, his ex agent and Black.

I fail to see how Rovers can be accused of making illegal payments if no money left their account. It came from Givet's account so unless Rovers gave Givet the money to pass on there can be no illegal payment. That would be a stupid arrangement and I can't believe that Rovers would tell him that he had to make a payment.

It's hard to see how Rovers could have had any involvement. If the facts are as they have been printed it can only involve the player, his ex agent and Black.

[A cup of beans]

Are you seriously giving them praise for saving us????

they have in a way. how long do you think the club could;ve continued with the miserly funds of the walker trust?

who else wouldve bought us then ?

stupid cliff analogy.. and you know it.

they have made mistakes, but not knowingly or maliciously.

they are guilty of trusting the wrong advisors, thats all.

if they were assett stripping rovers, selling of star players and cutting back on spending i could agree with you.

but look at what they have invested since january.. in the single tranfer window they have had... invested more than than the walker trust had for the previous 18 months.

they have started to put their money in, but need time for their vision to take shape.

atleast give them that.

[Stuart]

I've read the last few pages with interest and there are debates going on about rights and wrongs at various levels.

This is a really bad week to be making these kinds of comments ahead of preparation for the game on Sunday (increased unease/uncertainty/tension around the club) - Do people at the club now think that we are safe? Did someone get 12's at the bookies and can cover the cost of relegation?

However, my big concern - if The Sun can back up the statement attributed to Venky's - is that it suggests to me that there are other concerns over the way Rovers have conducted things prior to their arrival. It won't matter who was in charge at the time, it'll be the club that suffers, just ask Luton Town supporters.

If there is no real substance in the claims and it's merely innuendo (there were no direct accusations against the club re: Givet, remember) then the best thing Venky's could have done was not made ANY comment - tomorrow's fish and chip wrapping and all that. Since they have, it again suggests to me that there may be more to it - and even other revelations - and they may be trying to distance themselves from it. Either that or they could potentially be trying to besmirch the name of The Trust - but I don't see any benefit from doing so. Perhaps (perish the thought) they have simply been badly advised...

The only thing I know for a FACT is that Venky's name is once again in the press...

[A cup of beans]

If Venky's have said this, then it's disgraceful. They should either make no statement, or offer facts.

den.. den.. den..

maybe they cant say anything yet? they have already said they are investigating.

anyway so i dont repeat myself my thoughts are here;

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php/topic/24470-message-to-venkys/page__st__300

everyone should take a step back over the statement.. read it for what it is.. wait to see ifthings to come out in thenext few weeks and months and if they dont then critisise.

[John]

If that comment was Venky's they should learn to shut up considering we are leading up to a very important match.

[Seggie]

Again not true. The new owners are not responsible for the actions of the previous owners at all, due diligence or not. I guess what you mean is they will have to accept the consequences of them if any of this is true (which I don't believe it is). It's an important distinction.

But I do fear you are right - this has all the hallmarks of a sunday rag sting being set up

Yes they will have to accept the consequences of the actions of the previous owners. Due Dilligence should be done to ensure that there are no nasty suprises. (That is what I meant, worded it very badly) Venky's cannot be individually punishished for these actions however the consequences as such could be that the club is punished.

Personally I don't think the club are involved, I just think by reading the article its a collection of murky individuals who leech off very rich men. Having just read the article again there is no mention of "Blackburn Rovers declined to give a statement" which means its pehaps them they are looking at.

I fail to see how Rovers can be accused of making illegal payments if no money left their account. It came from Givet's account so unless Rovers gave Givet the money to pass on there can be no illegal payment. That would be a stupid arrangement and I can't believe that Rovers would tell him that he had to make a payment.

It's hard to see how Rovers could have had any involvement. If the facts are as they have been printed it can only involve the player, his ex agent and Black.Why is he Givet's ex agent? I think this could be a massive factor in the whole story

[Boz]

To use a phrase from the odious Michael Winner and borrowed by our muppet leader Cameron..."calm down dears".

It serves no purpose for us all to get in a state publically about such stories, they can grow as they feed on more titillations.

I'd suggest that it is in all our interest for all parties to have a dignified silence; Givet, current owners, previous owners, current management, previous management and us the supporters too.

There is obviously issues going on behind the scenes which nobody fully understands, but BRFC and remaining in the EPL should be the number one concern at present, with a unified stance from all interested parties.

Never a good idea to have one's washing aired in public.

[Plastic Head]

The sun should stick to revealing what they reveal best.

Nips.

My hatred for this countries sports journalists, both written and spoken, incredibly increases daily.

[A cup of beans]

The sun should stick to revealing what they reveal best.

Nips.

My hatred for this countries sports journalists, both written and spoken, incredibly increases daily.

agreed.

dont forget the QPR story the other week, put out by that geordie idiot, shaun custis.

QPR WILL BE DEDUCTED 10- 15 POINTS!

he even defended his FA panel source! on national radio. what an arse.

interestingly shamed former FA loon mark palios had exactly the same thoughts a few days later!

can you make the connection... hmmmm

[RibbleValleyRover]

If that comment was Venky's they should learn to shut up considering we are leading up to a very important match.

How will their comments (which i have no problem with) affect the team?

[John]

How will their comments (which i have no problem with) affect the team?

I did not say they could affect the team however the entire focus from everyone should be on the match this Sunday, no comments should be made until the season is done and dusted.

[A cup of beans]

The entire focus from everyone should be on the match this Sunday, no comments should be made until the season is done and dusted.

why ?

also if they had refused to comment.. i bet you wouldve still bashed them

the statement wont have any impact on sundays's match, or performance, or outcome.

to suggest it will is scraping the barrel, to have a go at venky's again.

[John]

why ?

also if they had refused to comment.. i bet you wouldve still bashed them

the statement wont have any impact on sundays's match, or performance, or outcome.

to suggest it will is scraping the barrel, to have a go at venky's again.

Not having a go for the sake of it, as I said, the focus of everyone at the club should be the Wolves match. Plus their comments (if it was in fact them) are quite vague and can be nterpreted in different ways.

[mark1875]

why ?

also if they had refused to comment.. i bet you wouldve still bashed them

make a comment yeah! state that they will fully support any investigation, that is fine!

why is there a need in the biggest week of our club's recent history to start bashing the previous owners? they might as well have accused the previous stewardship of this club of being corrupt if indeed they have said what they have been quoted as saying!

all the clubs efforts this week should be on sunday's match, this also includes the needless act of calling our manager to bloody pune just days before the game.

[RibbleValleyRover]

They are professional footballers, their mind should be solely on the match. I accept to an extent that Givet might end up being distracted by this story, but I can't see how the rest would be distracted by it.

On the subject of their comments I am keeping an open mind about it, there may be some truth to what they said then again they may be incorrect. It looks like they are going to do a thorough investigation which is prudent to do and the truth will come out one way or another.

I will say this though we have seen in recent years how murky the world of football can be.

[Majiball]

they have in a way. how long do you think the club could;ve continued with the miserly funds of the walker trust?

who else wouldve bought us then ?

stupid cliff analogy.. and you know it.

they have made mistakes, but not knowingly or maliciously.

they are guilty of trusting the wrong advisors, thats all.

if they were assett stripping rovers, selling of star players and cutting back on spending i could agree with you.

but look at what they have invested since january.. in the single tranfer window they have had... invested more than than the walker trust had for the previous 18 months.

they have started to put their money in, but need time for their vision to take shape.

atleast give them that.

There's nothing wrong with the cliff analogy they created this situation and yet people on here want to praise them for it and for getting out of it, deluded. Well done venky's for getting us back to where we were when you bought us, bravo, bravo we are still in the same place as when we started....... That's progress that is.....................

At the end of the day said scenario of asset stripping was dependent on us being relegated, but even then people have said there is hope. That has not occurred (fingers crossed) and so we will never know.

Yes, yes they have invested a poxy 5 million more than the last regime in 18 months, do you not remember the last 15 years or so??? Or do we not count things like that???? I hate to think how much money the Walkers lost investing in Rovers but I'll wager it's more than Venky's to date? So far Andy Cole cost more than Venky's investment in agents during January..

You can talk about giving them time all you want but I would have thought most Rovers would have realised after this season, is that time is the one thing you don't have in Elite football, you have to hit the ground running or you get left behind...... and then you go down.

Let's see how far this vision gets us without the 20+ points we had before Kean and the vision came along....

[alexanders]

I did not say they could affect the team however the entire focus from everyone should be on the match this Sunday, no comments should be made until the season is done and dusted.

What about taking away the pressure from the players by focusing on other eventes before this crucial match? Would be a wise move.

[John]

What about taking away the pressure from the players by focusing on other eventes before this crucial match? Would be a wise move.

Wise/logical moves and Venky's don't quite go together (yet).

[alexanders]

Wise/logical moves and Venky's don't quite go together (yet).

Im not saying that it was planted and thought of by Venky's to put the focus elsewhere, but it probably isnt as doom mongering as many people think. I really don't think the players will be distracted by this and our preperations before the game interrupted.

[Parsonblue]

Their decisions look likely to have kept us in the league (not bad for total novices).

The 'Experts' have landed us with a potential FA investigation.

Go figure.

Their decisions have taken us to the brink of relegation. Their decisions have made us a national laughing stock. Their decisions have brought us a manager who has won one game in the best part of four months. If you think that's not bad you must have been praising Sam and the Trust to the high heavens for getting a tenth place finish last season.

[JAL]

Can fully see this Givet thing being one of many to beat the past regime of Williams and the Walker trust with in order to gain Venky's a better seated profile amongst the Rovers population than what has gone before them.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I don't see how they couldn't make a statement when doorstepped, as they must have been - "refused to comment" would have looked much worse.

The one thing that occurs to me is that, if Sam had been up to no good, then Anderson would surely have been aware as these agent monkeys are all in it together. And he would have told Venky's.

The club, as in the Trust and JW, would clearly have had no knowledge of any of this. If there has been skullduggery, it could only have been between Allardyce and this ludicrous Manc tailor. Maybe the signing on fee gets talked up and this bruiser gets a slice of it through and shares it around.

Either way, if the Sun have tapes, bank statements and the like then it soiunds like there might be more than a storm in a teacup.

[PAFELL]

Can fully see this Givet thing being one of many to beat the past regime of Williams and the Walker trust with in order to gain Venky's a better seated profile amongst the Rovers population than what has gone before them.

Having read the article again and given it more thought. I suggest that both the Sun and venkys need to clarify things. As somebody on here mentioned - the money came from Givet,s account. Not that of the club, previous owners etc etc. So that in itself, on paper could exonerate the club from allegations. (if things are not right about givet's transfer, venkys as they were not the owners at the time, cannot be blamed. But being the owners now, would be held accountable)

Reading the suns article, clarification is required on what did venkys mean - if these quotes are from them. Because as it is written now and portrayed to us, it looks like venkys are pointing fingers of wrong doing at the previous owners.

If venkys are not saying that, then they need to say so.

If I was the walker trust, I would want an explanation from venkys and the sun (in case of miss quoting)as to what was meant. If the sun have written things wrong, then they would owe both venkys and the walker trust an appology.

Of course if the article is true, a whole can of worms opens up. First question to me would be who approached who with regards to the first article. I would also want to know from venkys, why did they go to the media and say what they said. Because it looks like, from a business point of view, a massive own goal.

"Look at what was happening before we took over, Yes we know this may cost us points and relegation and money".

So the motive behind and use of the words given to the media, raises questions that only others can answer. The only ones who can answer the questions are first the sun and then venky's.

[Stuart]

If I was the walker trust, I would want an explanation from venkys and the sun (in case of miss quoting)as to what was meant. If the sun have written things wrong, then they would owe both venkys and the walker trust an appology.

If the Walker Trust remain true to form they won't make any public comment on it at all. I expect that to remain the case unless there is a direct libel against them.

Dignity is something they seem to cherish...