[Archived] A Brighter Future?

[PAFELL]

You’re getting far to hung up on RSC and Diouf Kelbo.They’re incidentals in the grand scheme of things, its which major striker they bring in that counts.

I also am hung up on RSC. Kean should not be even considering him. He has already been on trial at Rovers since January and did nowt.

[Gav]

So your happy for Rovers to waste money on two ###### poor strikers as long as we bring in a decent one? How about forgetting those two losers and buying two quality ones instead?

Surely you recognise that Rovers (not since the days of Jack) don't have big budgets and that this money needs to be spent wisely? This could be the last time in years that we have a decent budget to spend, every signing needs to be worth the money. Santa Cruz and Diouf go against that.

So how much is it going to cost to buy 2 quality strikers? 20 - 25m? And you're talking about spending the money wisely?

If Kean believes he can get RSC or Diouf on a free, or very cheap, I say go with it, and ship a striker out? Then buy a good striker for 15m, defender/s and a central midfield player with the rest.

[wandel77]

A brighter future? The question is, should it always be the same clubs year after year that ends at the top of the league ?

For the moment i can only see one solution, we must have a salary cap system. This will mean that we might get a more even and funnier league, premier league is about to be 6 teams playing for the championship and the 14 other clubs playing to avoid relegation.

There is no chance as it is today for the small clubs to play for anything besides to be relegated. How fun is that? I would not like to see another season like the one we have just been through. In my eyes the desire to see football becoming increasingly blurred, this is although I love the game 100%

As we can see today, the smaller clubs can not actually offer their talented players other things than solid playing time and where they can develop more, but that does not seem to be any good anymore. I know its big business and money rules, but come on some of the players are still kids and know s**t about anything.

We do not have the opportunity to play in europe, so we can not offer the same money as the big clubs know they are guaranteed participation in europe every year. If we should be lucky we can as it is now, perhaps there is a chance for a Cup title in 10 years time.

I would think that Phil Jones would have been better to take another one or two seasons with us, rather than now going to Man Utd.

Hopefully we can become the next top 6 club with venkys at the helm

[RibbleValleyRover]

So how much is it going to cost to buy 2 quality strikers? 20 - 25m? And you're talking about spending the money wisely?

If Kean believes he can get RSC or Diouf on a free, or very cheap, I say go with it, and ship a striker out? Then buy a good striker for 15m, defender/s and a central midfield player with the rest.

I'm sure we can do better than Santa Cruz and Diouf with our budget. I'm quite frankly astonished you want a player on the books who is either injured or when he does play doesn't score goals. Keep in mind he is on £90k per week at City, even if we end up paying him say £40-50k per week it's money being wasted.

I'd rather buy one decent striker, focus on the midfield and defense then bring those two waste of spaces/wages back to this club.

[Gav]

I'm sure we can do better than Santa Cruz and Diouf with our budget. I'm quite frankly astonished you want a player on the books who is either injured or when he does play doesn't score goals. Keep in mind he is on £90k per week at City, even if we end up paying him say £40-50k per week it's money being wasted.

I'd rather buy one decent striker, focus on the midfield and defense then bring those two waste of spaces/wages back to this club.

My original point was I felt people seemed more concerned about us not signing RSC and Diouf, rather than the big money signings we could be bringing in.

If I had the choice I'd have neither at the club, but if Kean feels he can get both for the right price then let him get on with it.

I’m more interested in buying a decent striker with a proven pedigree, that was my point.

[ABBEY]

Tbh gav if we sign diouf I will be organising a venkys out..the guy is one of the worst players ever I'm a rovers shirt..I'd rather play Andrews up front!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I'm sure we can do better than Santa Cruz and Diouf with our budget.

What is our real budget though?...........

We as fans are waiting Venky's,waiting for you to invest heavily into this side and keep to your word.

[Stuart]

Tbh gav if we sign diouf I will be organising a venkys out..the guy is one of the worst players ever I'm a rovers shirt..I'd rather play Andrews up front!

I seem to recall MBD scoring a hat-trick on his debut. Maybe the guy just needs time in the first team and a decent supply.

I personally wouldn't sign him though!

[vintageadidas]

Have said this to many people and many agree! The referees are the key to levelling out our game, united must receive in excess of 10 points a season due to biased decisions!

Very few red cards, no penalties at OT again, crazy decisions, allowed to get away with murder when surrounding the referee and referee's assistant! This applies to all the big 5/6 as well but in a lesser extent!

Wage caps are pointless they would pay them large monthly bonuses instead! The joy of football is searching the globe for exceptional talent at cheap prices and it is possible!

Most top clubs just buy something a smaller club nurtured and found including le arsenal. The big 5/6 are at the top of the food chain!

[rebelmswar]

Have said this to many people and many agree! The referees are the key to levelling out our game, united must receive in excess of 10 points a season due to biased decisions!

Very few red cards, no penalties at OT again, crazy decisions, allowed to get away with murder when surrounding the referee and referee's assistant! This applies to all the big 5/6 as well but in a lesser extent!

Wage caps are pointless they would pay them large monthly bonuses instead! The joy of football is searching the globe for exceptional talent at cheap prices and it is possible!

Most top clubs just buy something a smaller club nurtured and found including le arsenal. The big 5/6 are at the top of the food chain!

My dad, being an American, looses his mind quite frequently over ref decisions. He firmly believes that one man has far too much power and it is very hard in human nature to not have bias.

Not that I feel there should be American football like squads of refs running around, just an overseer that can watch multiple screens and have a veto.

[Stuart]

Most top clubs just buy something a smaller club nurtured and found including le arsenal. The big 5/6 are at the top of the food chain!

You've mentioned the "food chain" so I'll ask this question again.

Not including Keith Andrews, when was the last time we bought another club's best player, or even one of their players that that they didn't really want to part with?

Most top clubs just buy something a smaller club nurtured and found including le arsenal. The big 5/6 are at the top of the food chain!

You've mentioned the "food chain" so I'll ask this question again.

Not including Keith Andrews, when was the last time we bought another club's best player, or even one of their players that that they didn't really want to part with?

Most top clubs just buy something a smaller club nurtured and found including le arsenal. The big 5/6 are at the top of the food chain!

You've mentioned the "food chain" so I'll ask this question again.

Not including Keith Andrews, when was the last time we bought another club's best player, or even one of their players that that they didn't really want to part with?

[BuckyRover]

You've mentioned the "food chain" so I'll ask this question again.

Not including Keith Andrews, when was the last time we bought another club's best player, or even one of their players that that they didn't really want to part with?

You've mentioned the "food chain" so I'll ask this question again.

Not including Keith Andrews, when was the last time we bought another club's best player, or even one of their players that that they didn't really want to part with?

You've mentioned the "food chain" so I'll ask this question again.

Not including Keith Andrews, when was the last time we bought another club's best player, or even one of their players that that they didn't really want to part with?

Savage?

[RoverMad86]

You've mentioned the "food chain" so I'll ask this question again.

Not including Keith Andrews, when was the last time we bought another club's best player, or even one of their players that that they didn't really want to part with?

You've mentioned the "food chain" so I'll ask this question again.

Not including Keith Andrews, when was the last time we bought another club's best player, or even one of their players that that they didn't really want to part with?

You've mentioned the "food chain" so I'll ask this question again.

Not including Keith Andrews, when was the last time we bought another club's best player, or even one of their players that that they didn't really want to part with?

Pedersen? Roberts to an extent. Savage, yes. Kalinic? Some, but not too many.

[True Blue & White]

Keith Andrews.

[vintageadidas]

We could never afford a star player from another club and if we could they would probably be playing in a lower league at a smaller club and maybe not good enough!

The top 5/6 buy star players and they finish in the top 5/6 and we buy potential to sell on and then start the cycle again!

[Mattyblue]

And the cycle can never be broken without oil billions.

Sad indicement of our game.

[Stuart]

Apologies for the multiple posts. Connection problems on my network.

So does it suggest that there are really two food chains? A PL one and a Football League one, or do Rovers just not subscribe to the football pyramid when it comes to transfers? Or is it that, even as one of the "richest" 20 clubs in the country we still can't afford to poach Championship stars?

Perhaps simply because we are a PL club, Championship clubs just price us out, e.g. a Connor Wickham (sp?) size transfer fee.

Pretty soon, there is going to be a massive (even more than there already is) between top 6 and bottom

14 until either a Pan-European league is formed, or a two-tier PL is created - without the franchise element Gartside wants.

This might even make things more competitive as teams like Rovers will actually have something to aim for (promotion) and mid-table mediocrity will be removed from the football vocabulary.

[bob fleming]

Pretty soon, there is going to be a massive (even more than there already is) between top 6 and bottom

14 until either a Pan-European league is formed, or a two-tier PL is created - without the franchise element Gartside wants.

I had a similar conversation this morning along the same lines. The sooner the top six "do one" and form their own special European League the better.

Then and only then can we get back to something akin to a proper competition with clubs on a relatively equal footing. Not just the same 4 or 5 teams at the top every year with all the spending power and the rest just kicking about looking to secure safety or, dare I say it, reach for the stars and grab that utterly magical 7th spot.

Yes all the best players will go to the European Super League teams - but they do now anyway. Where's the romance or the excitement as things stand? Aim for the League Cup perhaps? (No, can't risk players in that, staying in the Prem is all important).

The distribution of wealth is a joke throughout all the divisions, not just the Premier League. It won't change (the big clubs need to service their own ridiculous debt levels for a start), but it needs to because sooner or later the Arsenal v Manchester United top of the table Sky Super Sunday clash is going to become all to predictable and dull. (I hope they both lose.)

[joey_big_nose]

I had a similar conversation this morning along the same lines. The sooner the top six "do one" and form their own special European League the better.

Then and only then can we get back to something akin to a proper competition with clubs on a relatively equal footing. Not just the same 4 or 5 teams at the top every year with all the spending power and the rest just kicking about looking to secure safety or, dare I say it, reach for the stars and grab that utterly magical 7th spot.

Yes all the best players will go to the European Super League teams - but they do now anyway. Where's the romance or the excitement as things stand? Aim for the League Cup perhaps? (No, can't risk players in that, staying in the Prem is all important).

The distribution of wealth is a joke throughout all the divisions, not just the Premier League. It won't change (the big clubs need to service their own ridiculous debt levels for a start), but it needs to because sooner or later the Arsenal v Manchester United top of the table Sky Super Sunday clash is going to become all to predictable and dull. (I hope they both lose.)

Totally agree. CL was the worst thing to happen to domestic football. Totally annihilated any chance for teams outside the top four to compete financially, and to attract quality players.

Taken on its own CL is entertaining, but the collatoral damage has been huge. You just need to compare the level of mobility in the league table pre-1995 and post 1995. Only absolutely vast expenditure by Chelsea, Man CIty and Spuis have shook up the order of things.

Still I suppose you could say the same about what the PL has done to the other tiers of English football and we are one of the beneficiaries of that. Without the huge gulf in income and profile between Prem and Championship doubtless we would have sunk back down into the second tier long ago.

[PAFELL]

I had a similar conversation this morning along the same lines. The sooner the top six "do one" and form their own special European League the better.

Then and only then can we get back to something akin to a proper competition with clubs on a relatively equal footing. Not just the same 4 or 5 teams at the top every year with all the spending power and the rest just kicking about looking to secure safety or, dare I say it, reach for the stars and grab that utterly magical 7th spot.

Yes all the best players will go to the European Super League teams - but they do now anyway. Where's the romance or the excitement as things stand? Aim for the League Cup perhaps? (No, can't risk players in that, staying in the Prem is all important).

The distribution of wealth is a joke throughout all the divisions, not just the Premier League. It won't change (the big clubs need to service their own ridiculous debt levels for a start), but it needs to because sooner or later the Arsenal v Manchester United top of the table Sky Super Sunday clash is going to become all to predictable and dull. (I hope they both lose.)

All the money sky etc etc, would go to that league. With everybody else competing to get into it. Lets be honest, if that happened, we would want Rovers in it as that is where the money would be.The end result would be as it is now. To the clubs in the lower leagues, they will already feel that the prem is a break away league in itself - which it is.

Also any european league would be totally unfair on supporters - it is already bad enough now. But travelling to germany, spain etc etc for a league game -supporters, apart from the very wealthy ones, could not go.

[Kelbo]

All the money sky etc etc, would go to that league. With everybody else competing to get into it. Lets be honest, if that happened, we would want Rovers in it as that is where the money would be.The end result would be as it is now. To the clubs in the lower leagues, they will already feel that the prem is a break away league in itself - which it is.

Also any european league would be totally unfair on supporters - it is already bad enough now. But travelling to germany, spain etc etc for a league game -supporters, apart from the very wealthy ones, could not go.

I take your point there, but the clubs and the leagues dont give two hoots about supporters, very sad but true!!

[bob fleming]

All the money sky etc etc, would go to that league. With everybody else competing to get into it. Lets be honest, if that happened, we would want Rovers in it as that is where the money would be.

If it ever did happen I wouldn't be at all surprised if it wasn't a closed shop - i.e. no promotion or relegation. They certainly wouldn't want the likes of Rovers in there!

Besides, despite the fact that this would be where all the money is, well, they can keep it for reasons I mentioned in my previous post. It would just be even more money to give to players who don't give much of a stuff for the club anyway!

[Stuart]

All the money sky etc etc, would go to that league. With everybody else competing to get into it. Lets be honest, if that happened, we would want Rovers in it as that is where the money would be.The end result would be as it is now. To the clubs in the lower leagues, they will already feel that the prem is a break away league in itself - which it is.

Also any european league would be totally unfair on supporters - it is already bad enough now. But travelling to germany, spain etc etc for a league game -supporters, apart from the very wealthy ones, could not go.

There would be plenty of home games against the top clubs around Europe to keep fans appeased. The days of fans going to every away game would be over granted but it might be a cross with bearing?

Not that it would affect Rovers fans mind!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Genuine concerns or just another Rovers hater?

[rebelmswar]

Just a xenophobe with terrible choice in hats.