[Archived] Summer 2011 Transfer Window Part One

[XLM]

Braddock - just making sure that it's expressed as my personal opinion in order to avoid any potential legal pitfalls such as libel.

I highly doubt anyone is going to care enough about what you say to call libel. Not a dig at you per se, just they wouldn't even know who you were for a start.

[Ricky]

But JAL you weren't referring to any of the stuff about getting rid of allardyce in your post, you were purely stating they'd messed up by selling jones to united. That's what you were talking about and that's what I responded to.

I fail to see how they can be blamed on this one but I guess you'll still find an angle to beat them with it though.

[XLM]

Legally, Venky's don't have a case - and there is a precedent a few years ago (which went to court) over Christian Ziege's move from Middlesbrough to Liverpool.

I'm sorry but have you read the contract?

And if United did tap Jones up then I think you'll find they have more than a leg to stand on.

[budha]

16 million for a teenage centre half who has played a few dozen games? It is absolute crazy money, but in the insane market that exists for English talent he is obviously worth more.

United's new keeper, De Gea, had reportedly a €20M (£17-18M) buyout clause (which United paid/is paying). So compared to that, I think Jones' £16M is quite reasonable.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Kamy was right- Venky'd didn't have a leg to stand on sadly.

Key quote from the Daily Telegraph:

The absence of a recognisable structure of senior management at Ewood Park following the recent departures of long-serving chairman John Williams and managing director Tom Finn has contributed to the confusion surrounding the Jones transfer.

So the owners put the clause in and did so incompetently.

Then postured to try to get out of it.

Gosh, I am impressed.

Really professional isn't it......really impressive.

[Henwah]

This is in todays Lancs Telegraph :

Venkys are challenging the legality of the release clause after questioning how Man U were made aware of the exact details so they want an extra 4 million. If Venkys don't get the extra 4 million then they will launch a formal complaint of tapping up against Man U.

Depending on which paper you believe some are saying United will pay the extra 4 million, some are saying they won't.

I think the media taking the anti-rovers stance on this will have both sides of that covered already.

If the fee is 'undisclosed'(which is highly likely), and Rovers do not explain their stance (also highly likely, as this would be a condition of the re-negotiated fee), then to the general public Man U paid £16m, and we are just idiots messing around with a teenage kids dream move

If however it is conceded that Man U had to pay more that the £16m in the release clause, they could just say it was always that amount but the £16m was upfront and the extra £4m in add-ons. That way they can explain the difference without having to concede that Rovers had grounds for complaint.

It seems that the majority of the media would prefer to continue with their current (and more popular) line whereby its apparently more likely that it takes 5 days (and counting) for someone to explain a release clause to silly old Venky's, that the possibility that Man U have cut a few corners (to put it nicely)

[jim mk2]

I'm sorry but have you read the contract?

And if United did tap Jones up then I think you'll find they have more than a leg to stand on.

In which case 95% of transfers would be in court. Sorry to blow your leg away again.

[Paul Mellelieu]

I cannot believe the stick Venkys are getting here over Jones. I find it unbelievable!! We have the most coveted player in years and one of the best teams in the world want him and will no doubt end up signing him. They have offered what was in his contract, which no doubt his agent and the board at the time would have agreed on. Venkys are now questioning it and standing up to the bullies that Utd and Sir (what a joke that is by the way!!) Alex Ferguson are and insisting on more cash for Jones. Fair play to them for doing this.

Yes they havent always got things right but who on earth in football has??

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but does anyone actually know for sure why utd have agreed to pay extra on top of the £16million release clause?

It seems to me that owners are trying to make good a mistake in Jones' market value at the time of the new contract. I have no problem with a clause that helps to protect the club against low bids designed to turn a player's head and lever him out of the club at below market value. It is the owner's advisors who must be in the dock on this one if they accepted £16m as market value.

It is good that Venkys are trying to fight their corner, but they must do far more to regain the trust of Rovers' fans. The charge sheet includes:

- the marquee signing nonsense

- sacking Allardyce and putting Kean in charge, which nearly led to relegation

- leaving the club without a management structure

- appearing to make the club an arm of Anderson's international agency

The owners need to out in place measures now, which in my mind includes the recruitment of a proven top flight manager.

[Henwah]

Legally, Venky's don't have a case - and there is a precedent a few years ago (which went to court) over Christian Ziege's move from Middlesbrough to Liverpool.

Surely if that precedent applied exactly to this instance then it wouldn't take 5 days so far for highly paid lawyers to realise that? I'm not a believer in the 'No smoke without fire' mantra, however if something's been smoking for the best part of a week there is a good chance there was a flame in there somewhere?

[XLM]

In which case 95% of transfers would be in court. Sorry to blow your leg away again.

You didn't and they wouldn't.

[47er]

He's the most expensive teenage defender ever.

Let's not big him up too much.

16/20m is fair. I would have liked more but I'm not sure we would have got too much more even without a clause.

That's not so.There would have been an auction starting around 16m.

[nicko]

Legally, Venky's don't have a case - and there is a precedent a few years ago (which went to court) over Christian Ziege's move from Middlesbrough to Liverpool.

Interesting to see Ziege's name mentioned...wonder where that popped up first.

Anyway, Liverpool were fined by the FA and the player was fined by the FA.

Not the courts.

Not much money either.

But there IS a precedent here. And where there is a precedent and lawyers to exploit it, you have a saga.

[BuckyRover]

That's not so.There would have been an auction starting around 16m.

How so?

Smailing went for 7m last summer. They certainly didn't open the budding at 16m.

[yoda]

In which case 95% of transfers would be in court. Sorry to blow your leg away again.

If it was that simple, it would have been done and dusted last week

[DE.]

If it was as simple as Venky's not having a leg to stand on it wouldn't have dragged on this long. (as yoda just said above me as I was typing this post )

There's clearly something in whatever they're kicking up a fuss about. Without seeing the contract nobody can state for a fact who is right and who is wrong at the moment.

[jim mk2]

Interesting to see Ziege's name mentioned...wonder where that popped up first.

I might be old but I do remember the case. And yes, I did read the Samuel comment piece.

There might be a precedent and I'm sure the lawyers are loving it, but is it really worth it from Venky's point of view ?

If they get a reputation in the game for being difficult to deal with no one will want to conduct transfers with them.

[XLM]

I might be old but I do remember the case. And yes, I did read the Samuel comment piece.

There might be a precedent and I'm sure the lawyers are loving it, but is it really worth it from Venky's point of view ?

If they get a reputation in the game for being difficult to deal with no one will want to conduct transfers with them.

If a side want a player I doubt they really care who the owners are. Similarly if a club are offering the right money for a player it won't matter. Surely it's better that they aren't seen as push overs in the transfer market.

Split hairs all you like but there is no way that this saga can be a negative on the part of our owners. No way.

[Taggart]

If they get a reputation in the game for being difficult to deal with no one will want to conduct transfers with them.

Nonsense - if a club want a particular player, they will go for them. Spurs have a reputation for being hard to deal with, doesn`t stop teams wanting to buy their players, Modric, Crouch etc

[roversmum]

It's not a case of being difficult to deal with, it's a case of wanting to get things right. I'm sure Venky's will do everything they can to prevent this sort of thing happening again. Fair play to them for questioning what has/is happening - showing they won't be pushed around as has happened in the past.

Personally, don't give a jot about those in the media who are always ready to have a pop at Rovers.

[yoda]

I might be old but I do remember the case. And yes, I did read the Samuel comment piece.

There might be a precedent and I'm sure the lawyers are loving it, but is it really worth it from Venky's point of view ?

If they get a reputation in the game for being difficult to deal with no one will want to conduct transfers with them.

Bullshit, money talks,

I hope they do get the reputation of being difficult, for difficult read hard headed business people, just like Jack was, who also faced up to manu

[CrazyIvan]

I might be old but I do remember the case. And yes, I did read the Samuel comment piece.

There might be a precedent and I'm sure the lawyers are loving it, but is it really worth it from Venky's point of view ?

If they get a reputation in the game for being difficult to deal with no one will want to conduct transfers with them.

'...is it really worth it...?' Are you serious? Taking this as far as they can is more than worth it in this case. If it stops teams seeing us as an easy target and tapping up our players then, yes of course it is.

[Hughesy]

Nicko v Independent + Mail + Telegraph

Depends what you want to look at.

Previous success on stories related to Rovers

Or who makes the most noise.....I know which id back.

[Tom]

You know whats a huge coincidence?

Posters who are against the owners and have been screaming about everything they do (mercer, JAL, Jim, Philip, majiball etc) are all 100% sure this is the fault of the owners / manager.

Funny that

[ace]

You know whats a huge coincidence?

Posters who are against the owners and have been screamig about everything they do (mercer, JAL, Jim, Philip, majiball) are all 100% sure this is the fault of the owners / manager.

Funny that

[Mattyblue]

Nonsense - if a club want a particular player, they will go for them. Spurs have a reputation for being hard to deal with, doesn`t stop teams wanting to buy their players, Modric, Crouch etc

Too right. Levy is renowned for being an absolute ba$stard to negotiate transfers with. Squeezing out every penny he can to recoup the fee originally paid for the player.