[Archived] Summer 2011 Transfer Window Part One

[Torgeir]

If we don't get J. Jones I wouldn't mind having a go for Gojko Kačar from Hamburger SV. Was highly rated for Hertha Berlin, not sure how he has done in Hamburg but has tons of ability.

[rog of the rovers]

Apparently he's originally a defensive central mid, but played as a right winger last season.. so might or might not affect J. Jones' situation.

I'm sure I echo the opinion of most, when I say;

I'd love to see Jermaine Jones in a Rovers shirt once again, hope this signing can pave the way!

[Hughesy]

Google the Christian Ziege to Liverpool transfer (from Middlesbrough) for info. Liverpool triggered the £5.5m release clause while two other clubs made £7.5m offers. Ultimately the player moved to Liverpool.

14 months later - with a fine for both the player & the club.

United wont want ANOTHER tapping up on their record....hence why they are 'in talks' with us. Otherwise they would just go public, tell us he is there player and tell the truth about what we are trying to do.

As for United signing crocks....Hargreaves & Owen are two without even thinking. Take ur meds Jim.

[thenodrog]

I agree with you on this. Both clubs have triggered the 'release clause'. So if Rovers receive an offer from L'pool of 22 mill - Rovers should be permitted to sell to L'pool. Unless Man U matched or bettered L'pools bid.

Rovers should only even talk to Lpool at this stage. No doubt there'll be talk of Jones going 'on strike' but that would be stupid as he'd damage his chances of being England captain which many think he is destined to be.

I must say that although I never saw him play it appears to me that Jones has a touch of Duncan Edwards about him.

Any comment Fife?

[PAFELL]

Interesting to see Ziege's name mentioned...wonder where that popped up first.

Anyway, Liverpool were fined by the FA and the player was fined by the FA.

Not the courts.

Not much money either.

But there IS a precedent here. And where there is a precedent and lawyers to exploit it, you have a saga.

Ok you said both the player and liverpool were fined. That must mean the FA found in Boro's favour. What I do not understand is why was the player allowed to transfer, without the transfer being sanctioned by the FA.

Having found L'pool guilty of offences with the Ziege's transfer, maybe the FA at the time and now the prem have changed or tighted things up a bit.

Therefore if L'pool have bid 22mill, it would mean both Man U and L'pool have triggered the clause. So Rovers must be able to chose which club to deal with - which naturally would be the highest bidder. The other club, Man U in this case, could be ignored unless they matched or better the offer.

[JAL]

But JAL you weren't referring to any of the stuff about getting rid of allardyce in your post, you were purely stating they'd messed up by selling jones to united. That's what you were talking about and that's what I responded to.

I fail to see how they can be blamed on this one but I guess you'll still find an angle to beat them with it though.

The root cause for me goes back to failing to install a good manager to replace Allardyce. I've no problem with getting rid of big Sam, its just the low quality replacement. We had hoped that this replacement would have been of a lot higher standard than the one that we ended up with from Venky's.

The objective is to win as many premier league games as is possible, so to lose one, maybe two competent key personnel whilst leaving a novice of poor standard to not only replace these two, but also must be able to add onto this with a couple more players has to be an ask way too far for Stephen Kean.

[jim mk2]

the point has been made in previous posts

Which was ?

Read very carefully.

Hargeaves was not injured when he signed for United. He passed the medical. United paid £17m for him.

Jones is not injured and has passed the medical. United are willing to pay a similar amount.

[Hughesy]

Its all done and dusted now JAL - stopping digging up the past and move forward woman!!

[budha]

Therefore if L'pool have bid 22mill, it would mean both Man U and L'pool have triggered the clause. So Rovers must be able to chose which club to deal with - which naturally would be the highest bidder. The other club, Man U in this case, could be ignored unless they matched or better the offer.

Atleast in FM-world, any club that triggers the clause have their bid accepted. So it doesn't matter if the offer is exactly or twice the release clause, the seller is forced to accept.

[leerovers1980]

can't wait till Jones signs on the dotted line for united and all this can be put to bed and we can start talking about what this thread is all about , Jones no longer wants to be here lets try and talk about players who want to be here and have the heart and determination to move are club forward, there over 147 pages in this thread already and its all about phil jones, I look on the message board and I thought there was already I thread started about phil jones can we not keep all talk to do with him were its meant to be, I actually don't care what the fee is any more we will probably never know it will be put down as undisclosed, so back to what were here for any news on incomings ?

[JAL]

uote name='Hughesy' timestamp='1307965353' post='1078202']

Its all done and dusted now JAL - stopping digging up the past and move forward woman!!

Lets see what they can do now to improve things. Big, big test now Hughesy !

[Tom]

As usual Jim loses an argument and then tries to reword it so he seems right.

Fact is Hargreaves was injury prone before his big move to united and michael owen although a freebie has always been a sicknote

[Hughesy]

Lets see what they can do now to improve things. Big, big test now Hughesy !

I agree totally - BIG summer.....hopefully alot of money gets invested and our team/ squad looks stronger come the end of it.

[den]

I agree with you on this. Both clubs have triggered the 'release clause'. So if Rovers receive an offer from L'pool of 22 mill - Rovers should be permitted to sell to L'pool. Unless Man U matched or bettered L'pools bid.

Can anybody clarify why this could not be the case. Especailly if L'pool have made a 22 mill bid.

Rovers could ask [not tell] Jones to talk to Liverpool. If jones has set his mind on Man Utd, then he will reject Liverpools offer. That leaves rovers with no option than to accept Man U's offer. If on the other hand Jones decides that he would rather go to Liverpool, then rovers will accept Liverpool's offer of £22m.

It's all down to Jones.

[Kelbo]

The best way forward is to get the deal done quickly and move on, whilst this simmers, other clubs are getting a head start on potential targets who could be 'gettable' with the extra funds.

If as I suspect, the contract and release clause was met and cant be revoked, the argument is primarily how did Man U know the value of the release clause, therefore the deal can go through and Rovers could still persue that avenue for compensation.

[JAL]

I agree totally - BIG summer.....hopefully alot of money gets invested and our team/ squad looks stronger come the end of it.

Sound, sensible, intelligent investment from an experienced been there, done it all, manager, would be, the only way forward for me.

Something says we are going to get firefighting, favoured agent type players that will cost a lot more to the club in the long term.

[LeftWinger]

Does the release clause legally have to be kept confidential then? That's the bit I don't understand. I'm sure when Lee Hughes joined Coventry years ago - the transfer fee was £5,000,001 - due to a clause meaning any offer over £5m had to be accepted. Now Coventry obviously knew about the release clause in this case.

[hawkiiz]

If the rules were so that the relesase clause is £16m, but since LPool offer £22m, and by doing that, effectively drives the value of the release clause up, and United have to match the £22m bid in order to talk to the player, we would have a situation like this:

1. United bid £16m, Jones talk to United, and agree personal terms.

2. LPool bid £22m

3. Uniteds bid is now rejected. To get back in, they have to bid £22m.

4. Chelsea bid £50m, forcing United to up the bid again.

5. Now LPool and United ends their interest because of the Chelsea bid. Chelsea offers a terrible contract to Jones, and he decides to stay with Rovers

It can never work like that. IF the clause says £16m, then that is what the price is. Now why would United agree to pay a penny more than that if they had nothing to hide?

[philipl]

If Rovers accepted bids from Manu, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs at £16m as has been reported, we were shafted for negotiating a higher price and it was then over to PJ to take his pick.

If there is any shift upwards on the MU paying price, it must be because they are trading off a tap-up claim.

[hawkiiz]

If that's the case, then VERY good job by Venkys.

[Black Burn]

Sound, sensible, intelligent investment from an experienced been there, done it all, manager, would be, the only way forward for me.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but was Mark Hughes an experienced manager in the transfer market when he joined Blackburn Rovers? If I remember correctly he was the manager for Wales and had no experience in buying or selling players when we gave him his first EPL chance.

I could be wrong, though. Please enlighten me.

47er posted a few pages that Venkys shouldn't be making noise if they thought that Jones was valued 16 million in January. The problem is that his value ROSE after January. And obviously he isn't going to sign another contract just four months after his last contract, agreeing to up his clause to 20 million. Still, from what I can infer from this whole saga, apparently you don't have to sell if someone bids the minimum amount for the clause. You just let them talk to him.

It might be wrong for Venkys, but if that's the case why hasn't the saga ended already?

[jim mk2]

As for United signing crocks....Hargreaves & Owen are two without even thinking. Take ur meds Jim.

They both passed their United medicals. Keep on thinking.

[BuckyRover]

The £16 million price clause in Phil Jones's new contract was put in by the owners.

Fact.

If you are telling me there was a lower figure - £8 million allegedly - in his old contract that may well be the case.

I would like to know if that was the case. It would make me laugh out loud.

Thanks. Any come back on this den?

It appears I just have to believe something is true and then proof will follow.

[rebelmswar]

Thanks. Any come back on this den?

It appears I just have to believe something is true and then proof will follow.

Wasn't Nicko fishing for proof in above message?

[Black Burn]

They both passed their United medicals. Keep on thinking.

I believe their point isn't about whether Owen or Hargreaves passed their medical or not, BUT that even the GREAT AWESOME GENIUS Sir Alex Ferguson has also made some IMPOSSIBLE mistakes and signed players who are prone to injury. But to his worshippers, they'll probably close their eyes to those NON-EXISTENT errors that MOST CERTAINLY are NOT his.

P.S. I'm not referring to Jim mk2 as a Ferguson worshipper. Don't take offense.