[Archived] Summer 2011 Transfer Window Part One

[pick32]

I don't think anyone can say what the transfer budget is i don't even think venkys no, im not buying the whole 5million figure. If a good striker becomes available at a decent price and the brothers want him they'll go for it.

[Andy]

*Time to firmly secure my tin hat*

I'm glad this story has come out. I can actually talk about it now.

Whether you want to believe this or not is entirely up to you. Jones does not like Kean as manager and has been vocal about that fact to friends. From what I understand, this is an opinion shared by much of the team but as true professionals, they are rightly presenting a different picture to the press.

I would imagine that the only way we would keep Phil Jones, is to replace Kean.

I've heard exactly the same from a very good source and it's credit to the players that we appeared to have a united front publicly (and to the press) at a vital time of the season.

Also heard that Phil Jones made a point of blanking Kean when running to the team behind him at Wolves, after we scored our 2nd/3rd goal and I'm surprised most people didn't pick up on the blatent snub.

It's always been a case of Jones deciding whether to stay or go - it's never a club's decision any more.

If a player wants to go, whether it's Jones, Samba or Robbo, they'll go.

[John]

It's always been a case of Jones deciding whether to stay or go - it's never a club's decision any more.

If a player wants to go, whether it's Jones, Samba or Robbo, they'll go.

Whilst that usually is a case, there have been some exceptions sometimes (Schwarzer last summer at Fulham for example).

[JAL]

I've heard exactly the same from a very good source and it's credit to the players that we appeared to have a united front publicly (and to the press) at a vital time of the season.

Also heard that Phil Jones made a point of blanking Kean when running to the team behind him at Wolves, after we scored our 2nd/3rd goal and I'm surprised most people didn't pick up on the blatent snub.

It's always been a case of Jones deciding whether to stay or go - it's never a club's decision any more.

If a player wants to go, whether it's Jones, Samba or Robbo, they'll go.

Hold on Andy with what you and BPF are saying, which I think is correct, then it has to be Stephen Kean who MUST go.

[Exiled in Toronto]

*Time to firmly secure my tin hat*

I'm glad this story has come out. I can actually talk about it now.

Whether you want to believe this or not is entirely up to you. Jones does not like Kean as manager and has been vocal about that fact to friends. From what I understand, this is an opinion shared by much of the team but as true professionals, they are rightly presenting a different picture to the press.

I would imagine that the only way we would keep Phil Jones, is to replace Kean.

While this may be true, I would be amazed if it drove the lad's decision. All that counts surely is that under Kean he will be 1st choice centre half and probably captain if Samba goes, ie his career will be moving forwards.

I would be staggered, given the rate that bosses get sacked, if any player made a decision of this magnitude based on how much they rated their boss. If the boss was not giving them a fair shot at the team then maybe. But look at Roberts and Jacobsen, both frozen out under Sam - who made the right decision between the two of them?

[Tom]

If that's true then ive lost a bit of respect for jones, to make a point of intentionally snubbing the boss in a crucial game is wrong IMO no matter how good or bad Kean is.

Doubt it's true though.

[A cup of beans]

I saw him completely ignore Kean's outstretched hand and go straight to the coaching staff.....

i suggest you watch it again!

[DE.]

Also heard that Phil Jones made a point of blanking Kean when running to the team behind him at Wolves, after we scored our 2nd/3rd goal and I'm surprised most people didn't pick up on the blatent snub.

I did make a point of it, either in the match thread or Kean thread, can't remember. It was ignored entirely, though.

[yeti-dog]

*Time to firmly secure my tin hat*

I'm glad this story has come out. I can actually talk about it now.

Whether you want to believe this or not is entirely up to you. Jones does not like Kean as manager and has been vocal about that fact to friends. From what I understand, this is an opinion shared by much of the team but as true professionals, they are rightly presenting a different picture to the press.

I would imagine that the only way we would keep Phil Jones, is to replace Kean.

Furthermore for those of you that think that Venkys will put every penny of Jones' and Samba's sale back into the transfer fund -

Heard something similar a few weeks ago about Kean in that he is well liked but staff at the club don't rate his managerial ability.

Replacing Kean to keep Jones will seem like a win, win scenario in most people's eyes.

If Venkys don't keep their word and reinvest the transfer money then they will lose their last shred of integrity.

I saw him completely ignore Kean's outstretched hand and go straight to the coaching staff.....

I've heard exactly the same from a very good source and it's credit to the players that we appeared to have a united front publicly (and to the press) at a vital time of the season.

Also heard that Phil Jones made a point of blanking Kean when running to the team behind him at Wolves, after we scored our 2nd/3rd goal and I'm surprised most people didn't pick up on the blatent snub.

It's always been a case of Jones deciding whether to stay or go - it's never a club's decision any more.

If a player wants to go, whether it's Jones, Samba or Robbo, they'll go.

Hold on Andy with what you BPF are saying, which I think is correct, then it has to be Stephen Kean who MUST go.

And here we go again..BPF lobs one of his carefully timed bombs onto the messageboard and suddenly everyone's in the know and it's not about Jones sadly but understandably maybe having his head turned by the big 4/5/6 but rather down to his antipathy for Kean.

Let's have it right..the power is all in the players hands now and frankly,it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference who our manager is if a player sees an opportunity to go to Arsenal,Man U etc..

[patrickvalery]

i suggest you watch it again!

http://www.footytube.com/video/wolverhampton-wanderers-blackburn-rovers-may22-82527

He certainly doesn't give him a cuddle.

[dring1]

Nicko. You keep saying £5 million extra on the budget. So say the budget was £20 million as a couple of people say then we would have £25 million to spend.

[Blackburn Ravers]

Wish you hadn't posted that link Chaddy. There is another link in it...

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/883995/blackburn-rovers-target-kaka-for-summer-swoop?cc=5739

...which only serves to remind us how out of touch our owners are.

Any reason why you are still quoting things from 5 months ago??

i suggest you watch it again!

Just did and PJ runs straight past SK

[my_name_is_Earl]

http://www.footytube.com/video/wolverhampton-wanderers-blackburn-rovers-may22-82527

He certainly doesn't give him a cuddle.

Or even a glance.

For me, it's sad but true, but Rovers will spend roughly five million this summer on JJ if we can arrange for him to stay here. As for money available for strikers, are we having a giraffe?

Jason Roberts and Benjani are here for at least the next season and I will be amazed if they are joined by anyone else.

Until this club rids itself of the filth of Kentaro and the untrustworthy noises made by the Venky's, then Rovers will forever be in some form of discomfort.

As for the sale of our players to bigger and better clubs, I have no problem with that, it's the nature of the beast. As long as we stay above Burnley, i'll be happy.

One last point though, I just wish Venky's and Steve 'Mr. Bean' Kean would stop making noises which are clearly false. I find this extremely patronising as a supporter and just wish that the set-up, as opaque as it is, showed some respect for the fans and were honest with us. There is no way on earth that JW and TF would have left the club unless they felt they couldn't work here any more, and as they have left, we should be on red alert as to the reason(s) why.

[Commondore]

Right now it would be a case of signing Jermaine Jones and trying to push the price down - and his wages. Any other money would have to go on a striker too - either a top-class free or a loan. There are NO bargain strikers out there at the moment.

So as of now, we have only have enough money to potentially tie Jermaine Jones down and nothing else beyond that? Granted it's more than we've been able o do over the last couple of windows it's still a depressive scenario if true.

[John]

So as of now, we have only have enough money to potentially tie Jermaine Jones down and nothing else beyond that? Granted it's more than we've been able o do over the last couple of windows it's still a depressive scenario if true.

Plus loan deals.

[Commondore]

Alou Diarra has reportedly been given permission to leave Bordeaux for a final stint in England or Spain, with an asking price of 3 million Euro. If the Jermaine Jones deal becomes to expensive we should be all over that one IMO.

[Exiled_Rover]

If you had to choose you would sell Samba and keep Jones.

But the trouble is there is live and large interest in Jones and that has to be addressed first.

For all of Samba's various agents - and efforts to find a buyer - there is no-one in for him just now.

Although anyone with half-a-fancy in him will obviously be watching the Jones thing develop and try to get clubs to move in now too.

If we sell Samba and Jones in the summer we're going down. Simple as.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

And here we go again..BPF lobs one of his carefully timed bombs onto the messageboard and suddenly everyone's in the know and it's not about Jones sadly but understandably maybe having his head turned by the big 4/5/6 but rather down to his antipathy for Kean.

Let's have it right..the power is all in the players hands now and frankly,it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference who our manager is if a player sees an opportunity to go to Arsenal,Man U etc..

Phillip mk2 I'm afraid.

Anybody who has been a Rovers fan for a while knows how this will go. Despite wanting to be an optimist I've seen what is about to occur happen to Rovers too often not to be cynical.

Heres how it goes - Rovers unearth and develope a fine young talent. He makes a big splash and the tabloid hacks latch on to this. Now, Rovers having a prospect like Jones (especially an English one) just isn't on so the hacks get to work. All the "big clubs" get linked and no matter how much the young lad professes to be a Rover his head gets turned. Next there are headlines about how Jones is desperate to get away and dreams of playing for Manyoo, Bindippers, Spuds or Arse (delete as applicable). This goes on for a few weeks which will be pergatory for us fans. Eventually, after tabloid pressure and agent badgering the club will have to give in. That is where stage three kicks in. The "big club's" tame piggies in the gutter press will then start to mention words and phrases like "teenager" and "unproven at the highest level" whilst bandying around potential fees of £5m.

In the end Rovers will have to fight tooth and nail to get around £7m plus some derisory add ons.

As if all of this wont be horrendous in itself it will be reason enough for the anti Venkys hate mob to deluge the forum with a tsunami of cyber diarrhea.

[Stuart]

Any reason why you are still quoting things from 5 months ago??

I read the link Chadders posted this morning and that link was in it. The word "remind" in my post was used on purpose.

In any case, unless they've changed their minds, our owners suggesting in February that we'd be in for Kaka in the Summer is still relevant as it's not Summer yet.

I'm just off to get me tattoo done.

[Mattyblue]

All too true, DGS.

I really wonder why we bother sometimes

[dring1]

Phillip mk2 I'm afraid.

Anybody who has been a Rovers fan for a while knows how this will go. Despite wanting to be an optimist I've seen what is about to occur happen to Rovers too often not to be cynical.

I won't have a problem of the lad wants to go. The problem I have is the fee being suggested for one of englands biggest prospect. £25 million minimum.

Heres how it goes - Rovers unearth and develope a fine young talent. He makes a big splash and the tabloid hacks latch on to this. Now, Rovers having a prospect like Jones (especially an English one) just isn't on so the hacks get to work. All the "big clubs" get linked and no matter how much the young lad professes to be a Rover his head gets turned. Next there are headlines about how Jones is desperate to get away and dreams of playing for Manyoo, Bindippers, Spuds or Arse (delete as applicable). This goes on for a few weeks which will be pergatory for us fans. Eventually, after tabloid pressure and agent badgering the club will have to give in. That is where stage three kicks in. The "big club's" tame piggies in the gutter press will then start to mention words and phrases like "teenager" and "unproven at the highest level" whilst bandying around potential fees of £5m.

In the end Rovers will have to fight tooth and nail to get around £7m plus some derisory add ons.

As if all of this wont be horrendous in itself it will be reason enough for the anti Venkys hate mob to deluge the forum with a tsunami of cyber diarrhea.

[nicko]

Nicko. You keep saying £5 million extra on the budget. So say the budget was £20 million as a couple of people say then we would have £25 million to spend.

There is an amount of money - £5 million - that the owners chuck into the pot for each window.

This would be on top of any available 'profit' from sales.

As I say, it's not fortunes. But it's better than what existed before.

[Rover & Out]

On one hand you've got fans saying that want the owners to 'put their money where their mouth is' and then others slating the owners for the lack of stability behind the scenes.

It is quite clear that the owners are treating the club as an investment and not an Ambramovich-esque game.

It wouldn't be wise for a club like us to get in a host of big names on long-term contracts.

The key for improvement will be developing young talent, e.g. Phil Jones and then maximising the transfer fee commensurate with the players desire to leave. In this case, it would appear 1/2 seasons from now would be the optimum time.

As far as Samba is concerned, the transfer fee he would command has just about peaked. Cash-in and start again.

The transfer policy of the owners appears logical; spend what we need to each season to improve.

[dring1]

Was trying to quote someone and done it in middle stupid iPhone. Anyway, was saying I would not have a problem if the lad wants to leave. That happens in football. What I do have a problem with is the fee. For one of englands brightest prospects we should be looking at minimum £25 million.

[Stuart]

There is an amount of money - £5 million - that the owners chuck into the pot for each window.

This would be on top of any available 'profit' from sales.

As I say, it's not fortunes. But it's better than what existed before.

So why doesn't it feel like it...?