[Archived] Summer 2011 Transfer Window Part One

[chaddyrovers]

how much would J Jones cost to buy? does anybody know

If we sold samba to spurs then I would want Defoe and cash as part of any deal. then that would solve the striker problem we've got. just then would need to add another striker RSC.

[dring1]

There is an amount of money - £5 million - that the owners chuck into the pot for each window.

This would be on top of any available 'profit' from sales.

As I say, it's not fortunes. But it's better than what existed before.

So is there a separate fund which the owners will fund a markee signing if they have one in mind. We keep reading how we are linked to £20 million pound targets and how ambitious the owners are. While I wouldn't want them to bank rupt the club a couple of top class signings would be nice to show us they are ambitious and it's not all talk

[patrickvalery]

So why doesn't it feel like it...?

Doesn't it.

I put it down to ridiculous quotes such as;

"It’s a very competitive budget. Miles bigger than Rovers have had in the past." Steve Kean 21/05/11

I have no problem with £5m per window. In fact i'm very grateful for anything after the last few years. But comments like the above just build up expectations. Just imagine what Hughes would have done with that.

[pick32]

When they came to the club 5million was the original figure they said but do we no if that still stands. I think from last season its obvious we need more investment and the latest interviews with Kean suggest we have "a very healthy budget", I personally think there will be more than 5million spent.

[Tom]

Is there a way we can limit the amount of question certain individuals ask nicko per day?

It's going to be a long summer

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Can we trust anything Veny's or Kean say?

Lose both Samba and Jones and we are up to our eyeballs in the brown stuff,make no mistake.

[Stuart]

Doesn't it.

I put it down to ridiculous quotes such as;

"It’s a very competitive budget. Miles bigger than Rovers have had in the past." Steve Kean 21/05/11

I have no problem with £5m per window. In fact i'm very grateful for anything after the last few years. But comments like the above just build up expectations. Just imagine what Hughes would have done with that.

Whilst he'd have likely kept his mouth shut and played it much more low key, I don't think it would have been enough to feed his 'ambition'.

I agree though with your point. For me, our owners don't seem to be putting their money where their mouth is. Not that £5m can't do some good on top of keeping existing players but because their comments set expectations higher than they are prepared to bid. I'd love to know if we really did approach Ronaldinho and what would have happened if he'd said yes...

[yeti-dog]

Was trying to quote someone and done it in middle stupid iPhone. Anyway, was saying I would not have a problem if the lad wants to leave. That happens in football. What I do have a problem with is the fee. For one of englands brightest prospects we should be looking at minimum £25 million.

Spot on...if Andy Carroll is worth £35m then we HAVE to demand £20-25m for Jones.I also think this is realistic and achievable,paricularly if we get an auction going.

[Plastic Head]

A lot of talk of defenders, and i'm not saying we should sell any of the good players, but are problems are further forward.

Over the last 2 season only Dunn has managed more than 5 goals. He got 9 and over half were pens.

We lack creativity and a goalscorer.

I have no confidence whatsoever in Kean/Venkys/Anderson or whoever is advising/running the club to buy the players we need.

Anyone know who IS making the decisions on new recruits?

[patrickvalery]

Spot on...if Andy Carroll is worth £35m then we HAVE to demand £20-25m for Jones.I also think this is realistic and achievable,paricularly if we get an auction going.

Jones Under The Hammer!

I'll get my coat.

[patrickvalery]

Spot on...if Andy Carroll is worth £35m then we HAVE to demand £20-25m for Jones.I also think this is realistic and achievable,paricularly if we get an auction going.

[nicko]

So why doesn't it feel like it...?

I am not a sociologist.

[Hughesy]

So fans want owners to invest which they are willing to do at £5m PER WINDOW.....So £10m a season without any sales. This window they have given us an EXTRA £5m.

The owners also have their own cash if they want a marquee signing (like Ronaldinho)

ANYTHING else is down to buying & selling - of which we were told they will invest all of any profit.

So realistically we have £15m this season, prior to any sales.....for that reason - NO SALE on Jones, as WE dont need it!

Get rid of any fringe players we dont want & try to raise some extra cash....but after that Jones goes nowhere. IF HE wants to go, then he goes in 12 months time.

[dring1]

So highesy. If we spend it all in the summer we won't have anything for January unless we sell some players. The £15 mill as you say is that including wages or is that separate. The markee signing is that for one player or as many as they like should players be available.

[sparkspakespoke]

So fans want owners to invest which they are willing to do at £5m PER WINDOW.....So £10m a season without any sales. This window they have given us an EXTRA £5m.

The owners also have their own cash if they want a marquee signing (like Ronaldinho)

ANYTHING else is down to buying & selling - of which we were told they will invest all of any profit.

So realistically we have £15m this season, prior to any sales.....for that reason - NO SALE on Jones, as WE dont need it!

Get rid of any fringe players we dont want & try to raise some extra cash....but after that Jones goes nowhere. IF HE wants to go, then he goes in 12 months time.

Nice optimism but its crystal clear without sales our budget is five million. That is the extra they are putting in. Anymore than that will come out of the budget for the next window.

[Bobby G]

What's this rubbish about Jones fetching 15m only! Bids should start at 20m at least.

[BPF]

There is an amount of money - £5 million - that the owners chuck into the pot for each window.

This would be on top of any available 'profit' from sales.

As I say, it's not fortunes. But it's better than what existed before.

So to paraphrase some of the optimistic types on here:

So what you are saying Nicko is that because there is five million available and I have heard my mate say that there is twenty million available right? So there must be about £30 million available right? So if we don't spend £20 million this summer then there is likely to be £50 million available in January right?

Also, to the individual who said I have a tendency to pop in with carefully timed bombs. I'm sorry that the truth comes as such a disappointment but the club isn't going to feel massively different than it did under the Trustees. Venkys do not have masses of cash available. This is the simple truth of the matter.

If you want to enjoy a team spending large amounts of cash on a number of different players, I suggest that you start supporting Manchester City. You aren't going to see that from Rovers.

Blackburn Rovers are very dear to my heart and I make no secret of that. For that reason, why would I take any pleasure in posting negative stories? Whether you want to accept it or not, we have been landed with a complete amateur of a manager and we are only still in the Premiership by the grace of God. What makes anyone on this board believe next season will be any different is entirely beyond me. Have you seen Kean's record? I'm sure that if the Rao's made themselves managers, you'd give them six months.

I'm sorry that I'm not telling you what you want to hear (It's strange how popular I get when I do that). I'm just telling you what I've heard. I have no agenda, other than looking out for the best interests of the club. Do I believe that the club is being looked after well at the moment? No.

[andyroversmad]

What's this rubbish about Jones fetching 15m only! Bids should start at 20m at least.

If Liverpool want Jones then we should tell them we want the same what they paid for Andy Carroll

[Hughesy]

So highesy. If we spend it all in the summer we won't have anything for January unless we sell some players. The £15 mill as you say is that including wages or is that separate. The markee signing is that for one player or as many as they like should players be available.

Not sure what the figures include - I would imagine if its £5m per window then it will be fees for players.

Marquee depends on the owners, but they were willing to throw mega money @ Ronaldinho.

As for leaving nothing for Jan, id rather we have the squad all season than from Jan onwards.

Nice optimism but its crystal clear without sales our budget is five million. That is the extra they are putting in. Anymore than that will come out of the budget for the next window.

Crystal clear how? We have been told many times its £5m per window, we have also been told we have an extra £5m, by Kean, by cryer & by Nicko - what makes you doubt their info??

What's this rubbish about Jones fetching 15m only! Bids should start at 20m at least.

Agree - £20m before we even CONSIDER it.

[hi-jaq]

We must not sell Phil Jones!!!

But we do need to put all of this into perspective and be realistic about what we can achieve in terms of value with the players we have that could be sold. There are definitely a number of players that we can sell to help add to the £5m that we are supposed to have.

The list that I propose as saleable assets are not just players that (in my opinion) we don't need, but also players that either want to leave or the club want rid of.

Chris Samba (£10/12m)

Nikola Kalanic (£4m)

Gael Givet (£3m)

Keith Andrews (£1m)

Vince Grella (£1m)

El Hadji Diouf (£2m)

This would give us a total available to spend (including the £5m) of £26/28m!!!!!! (If the owners stay true to their word about putting the money back in the pot!?!?!)

There are others that could be sold, Jason Roberts, Morten Gamst Pedersen... maybe more, but these could well be decent (albeit very expensive, due to wage size) squaddies next season, and would need replacing for what we'd get if we sold them I doubt if it would be worth it?

Players I would be looking at...

Jermaine Jones or Alou Diarra (£3m)

Darron Gibson (£2.5)

Sebastien Bassong (£4m)

Jermaine Defoe (£10m)

Stephen Warnock (£3.5m)

Vicente (free)

Larsson (free)

I'm only snatching at the prices here, I could be well out, but I reckon Fergie played Gibson more towards the end of the season to put him in the shop window, he looks mediocre at Old Trafford, but I bet he'd look a different player at Rovers, not to mention that he was trying to get rid of him last year. Bassong would directly replace Givet, but I think there is need to address the left fullback position, either stick Olsson there (which I don't agree with) or get him further forward and sign a more orthodox left back, Stevie Warnock???

We are crying out for a natural finisher, and if what I've read is to be believed and Jermaine Defoe really is available we need to stick our hat in the ring & see what he says. There are plenty of strikers out there but he's is proven in the PL, and a fit Jermaine Defoe is also an England regular.

We have no need to sell Phil Jones, and I don't think he will want to go if he is given the option. My fear is that the owners want him sold and have made their minds up already!!!???

There's a decent window out there if the people involved at the club pull their fingers out and put some work in to make it happen.

It's been too long since we had saleable assets that are worth good money, with either cover if they were to leave, or good replacements available in the market at reasonable prices.

This is the most important window in recent times and in my opinion will define where we are as a club, and where the owners see our future.

I'm excited about it, blind faith tell's me that we will get all the players we need and we'll be challenging for Europe next season... Reality however may bring me back to earth with a bump & have me sobbing into a pint glass at the end of next season???!!!

COME ON YOU BLUES!!!!!!

[dring1]

Mixed information on weather the owners have money or not. I am prepared to wait and see on who we buy and sell before I pass judgement. I have already renewed my season ticket on day 1 so will have no bearing as I support Blackburn rovers and not who we sign

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

There are definitely a number of players that we can sell to help add to the £5m that we are supposed to have.

The list that I propose as saleable assets are not just players that (in my opinion) we don't need, but also players that either want to leave or the club want rid of.

Chris Samba (£10/12m)

Nikola Kalanic (£4m)

Gael Givet (£3m)

Keith Andrews (£1m)

Vince Grella (£1m)

El Hadji Diouf (£2m)

We will find it very hard to off load alot of our rubbish this season (Grella, Andrews, Diouf, Kalinic) as we would be looking for a fee. There are alot of much better quality 'free' transfers out there this year.

[Fylde Coast Fan]

What's this rubbish about Jones fetching 15m only! Bids should start at 20m at least.

If he stays another year or two he'll absolutely fetch £20m. Unfortunately people are unlikely to spend over £20m on a very young centre half with bags of potential who's already had one very serious injury.

[xtp]

The list that I propose as saleable assets are not just players that (in my opinion) we don't need, but also players that either want to leave or the club want rid of.

Chris Samba (£10/12m)

Nikola Kalanic (£4m)

Gael Givet (£3m)

Keith Andrews (£1m)

Vince Grella (£1m)

El Hadji Diouf (£2m)

This would give us a total available to spend (including the £5m) of £26/28m!!!!!!

It's easy to tot up the values of these sorts of players and suddenly think we've got lots to spend, but what you've got to remember is that there actually have to be buying clubs out there. Samba at £10/12 million is pretty reasonable, although Nicko says there's no-one in for him at the moment. If we start making noises as if we want to sell, his price tag will halve in no time. Givet at £3 million is sound, but obviously we'd a) need a buyer and need a replacement who would probably cost at least the same amount.

Kalanic at £4 million is unlikely. The best way to figure these things out is to imagine thing the other way round. Let's say Kalinic is a Stoke player who has made 42 league appearances and scored 7 goals. Would you be happy with us paying £4million for him? Would you even want him at the club at all? You see the problem.

Equally, why would anyone want to buy Grella? We tried to sell him last summer, but his wage demands priced him out of a move. It's in his own best interests to sit back and enjoy the last of his high wages at a top tier club. Frankly, we'd be lucky to give him away. And El Hadj Diouf is a similar case. He's allegedly one of the top earners at the club. We only bought him for £1 million, so its unlikely any club is going to come in, double our money and on top of that pay him £40-£50k a week. As I recall, even Rangers who took him on loan only paid a percentage of his wages.

[ABBEY]

So fans want owners to invest which they are willing to do at £5m PER WINDOW.....So £10m a season without any sales. This window they have given us an EXTRA £5m.

The owners also have their own cash if they want a marquee signing (like Ronaldinho)

ANYTHING else is down to buying & selling - of which we were told they will invest all of any profit.

So realistically we have £15m this season, prior to any sales.....for that reason - NO SALE on Jones, as WE dont need it!

Get rid of any fringe players we dont want & try to raise some extra cash....but after that Jones goes nowhere. IF HE wants to go, then he goes in 12 months time.

What does your pal think? (dunny)