[Archived] Summer 2011 Transfer Window Part One

[hi-jaq]

We will find it very hard to off load alot of our rubbish this season (Grella, Andrews, Diouf, Kalinic) as we would be looking for a fee. There are alot of much better quality 'free' transfers out there this year.

I agree, but there must surely be buyer out there for Kalinic, who I would prefer to stay but nevermind.

For the older players it comes down to agents & the club to be able to sort it out. I reckon there will be a French club or two after Givet, and maybe even Diouf, we may struggle to shift Grella & Andrews, but for what they're worth, we could just tell em to get bent & find their own clubs!!!

[thenodrog]

Yeh, what an awful day, stood there in his bloody Newcastle shirt, felt sick!

Bellamy leaving was a sad day aswell.

So lets say for discussions sake Jones or Samba leave (don't sell both ffs), who would be our targets as a replacement. Heard a little rumour about a lad from Auxerre. Two good centre halves have gone down with Brum. Sorry if all this has been covered, been out of the loop a little bit.

Flip the coin over and consider the Walker years. We didn't give a fig for Southamptons feelings when we took Shearer and Flowers off their hands did we? We rode rough shod over the likes of Norwich, Bolton, Leicester, Man City, Boro etc etc. Supporting a modest football club is is character building. I rem the major talents Fred Pickering, Keith Newton, Mike England leaving within a few seasons in the 60's quickly followed by lesser leading lights Mike Ferguson, Allan Hunter and Eamonn Rogers. It all hurts but just think how weak and spineless the plastics must be with never having to overcome that gut wrenching disappointment on a regular basis.

[Hughesy]

What does your pal think? (dunny)

About what Kean?

If he stays another year or two he'll absolutely fetch £20m. Unfortunately people are unlikely to spend over £20m on a very young centre half with bags of potential who's already had one very serious injury.

No likey, no lighty - no deal then simple.

Want him - prove it! Lescott cost £21m, Cahill is rumoured to be £20m, Dann £14m - so you want the best young talent around, pay up!

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

So to paraphrase some of the optimistic types on here:

So what you are saying Nicko is that because there is five million available and I have heard my mate say that there is twenty million available right? So there must be about £30 million available right? So if we don't spend £20 million this summer then there is likely to be £50 million available in January right?

Also, to the individual who said I have a tendency to pop in with carefully timed bombs. I'm sorry that the truth comes as such a disappointment but the club isn't going to feel massively different than it did under the Trustees. Venkys do not have masses of cash available. This is the simple truth of the matter.

If you want to enjoy a team spending large amounts of cash on a number of different players, I suggest that you start supporting Manchester City. You aren't going to see that from Rovers.

Blackburn Rovers are very dear to my heart and I make no secret of that. For that reason, why would I take any pleasure in posting negative stories? Whether you want to accept it or not, we have been landed with a complete amateur of a manager and we are only still in the Premiership by the grace of God. What makes anyone on this board believe next season will be any different is entirely beyond me. Have you seen Kean's record? I'm sure that if the Rao's made themselves managers, you'd give them six months.

I'm sorry that I'm not telling you what you want to hear (It's strange how popular I get when I do that). I'm just telling you what I've heard. I have no agenda, other than looking out for the best interests of the club. Do I believe that the club is being looked after well at the moment? No.

No one has said that we'd spend Man City amounts of cash. No one.

£5m isnt alot but is more then we had last summer by a distance. Id rather be under Venkys then Syed Ali or the Trust.

What you've heard has not proven to be accurate in the past.

And your evidence of Phil Jones not liking the manager seems to amount to a video where he runs over to celebrate with the bench and not Kean individually.

I have no doubt that you care about the club but at the same time your opinions seem to masquerade as facts all too often.

[RoverMad86]

Didn't Man Yoo pay £12 million for Smalling? That was based on about 5 league games, so Phil must be worth double that as he has been involved in a Premier League team for 18 months.

[Steve Moss]

We must not sell Phil Jones!!!

But we do need to put all of this into perspective and be realistic about what we can achieve in terms of value with the players we have that could be sold. There are definitely a number of players that we can sell to help add to the £5m that we are supposed to have.

The list that I propose as saleable assets are not just players that (in my opinion) we don't need, but also players that either want to leave or the club want rid of.

Chris Samba (£10/12m)

Nikola Kalanic (£4m)

Gael Givet (£3m)

Keith Andrews (£1m)

Vince Grella (£1m)

El Hadji Diouf (£2m)

I agree with this, excepting that I think your valuation of Givet, Andrews, Grella and EHD are high.

I have no problem with the owners investment strategy of 5 million/window, with the ability to advance 5 million for one window. Very prudent and sound, IMO.

What I have a problem with is even considering selling P. Jones. Sell Samba. Sell Givet, Kalinic, etc... But if the owners want to be challenging for top 8, then they need to keep P. Jones, Olsson, Hoilett, N'Zonzi and sign J. Jones. Otherwise they are not on course to developing the Rovers into a strong contending team.

[chaddyrovers]

So what you are saying Nicko is that because there is five million available and I have heard my mate say that there is twenty million available right? So there must be about £30 million available right? So if we don't spend £20 million this summer then there is likely to be £50 million available in January right?

Also, to the individual who said I have a tendency to pop in with carefully timed bombs. I'm sorry that the truth comes as such a disappointment but the club isn't going to feel massively different than it did under the Trustees. Venkys do not have masses of cash available. This is the simple truth of the matter.

If you want to enjoy a team spending large amounts of cash on a number of different players, I suggest that you start supporting Manchester City. You aren't going to see that from Rovers.

Blackburn Rovers are very dear to my heart and I make no secret of that. For that reason, why would I take any pleasure in posting negative stories? Whether you want to accept it or not, we have been landed with a complete amateur of a manager and we are only still in the Premiership by the grace of God. What makes anyone on this board believe next season will be any different is entirely beyond me. Have you seen Kean's record? I'm sure that if the Rao's made themselves managers, you'd give them six months.

I'm sorry that I'm not telling you what you want to hear (It's strange how popular I get when I do that). I'm just telling you what I've heard. I have no agenda, other than looking out for the best interests of the club. Do I believe that the club is being looked after well at the moment? No.

If we have got 10 million to spend in the summer, fine but will some sales like EHD, Grella, and players who wanted out like Givet and Kalinic. Then the transfer kitty would be about 18-20 million. With that we need to sign JJ permanent, a proven goalscorer, left back, another striker and a winger.

And that i before if we do sell either Samba or Phil Jones. If either left depending on which club they go to I would go for Collins from Villa or Bassong from Spurs.

Blackburn Rovers is very close to my heart and I want the best for the club. I have support this club since I was 6 years old and I have been a season ticket holder for most of the 20 years since my first game and go to about half of the away games aswell. I still remember for first game like it was yesterday. I will always support my club through the good, bad and ugly times. I wasn't happy when we appoint Kidd or Ince as manager. I thought we should have sacked Souness 3 months before he went to newcastle, But I still support rovers till the end. I think the owners decision not to replace Big Sam with a proven PL manager was a massive mistake cos we could have push on into the top 8 this season.

The owners need to think whether Kean is the right man for the club and to take us into the top 10. If he is, then the owners need to back him with a good budget of around 10 to 15 million pounds. If he is not then the owners need to appoint the manager they want and back him with the same budget.

I hope the owners realise that rovers are not that far off a top 10 finish. All we need is a proven Goalscorer and JJ type of player and a couple of squad additions plus keep all the good young and experience players we have got at the club. we need to get rid of the deadwood at the club with is about 5 or 6 players. And we won't be far of this season finishing a top 10 club.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I'm sorry that I'm not telling you what you want to hear (It's strange how popular I get when I do that). I'm just telling you what I've heard. I have no agenda, other than looking out for the best interests of the club. Do I believe that the club is being looked after well at the moment? No.

You may not have an agenda - but are you certain that your sources don't have an agenda themselves ? What is surprising given all the apparent unrest behind the scenes - other than Samba saying he is going on holiday and will make a decision about the future when he returns from the holiday, we have heard very little negative press coming from the players. This is in stark contrast to the Ince era. Either there isn't any great unrest - or somebody is doing an excellent job suppressing leaks to the media. Given it is the summer, with column inches to fill and agents angling for the best deals - if somebody is suppressing leaks - they are doing a very good job.

Another thing I find strange - IF Samba had been told our budget was £5m - I am sure he would be telling everyone he was going (irrespective of his holiday plans). As usual (since the take over) confusion reigns - however IF the budget is larger than is being mentioned on here - they are doing the right thing keeping that out of the media. Only time will tell.

[chaddyrovers]

The list that I propose as saleable assets are not just players that (in my opinion) we don't need, but also players that either want to leave or the club want rid of.

Chris Samba (£10/12m)

Nikola Kalanic (£4m)

Gael Givet (£3m)

Keith Andrews (£1m)

Vince Grella (£1m)

El Hadji Diouf (£2m)

This would give us a total available to spend (including the £5m) of £26/28m!!!!!! (If the owners stay true to their word about putting the money back in the pot!?!?!)

Players I would be looking at...

Jermaine Jones or Alou Diarra (£3m)

Darron Gibson (£2.5)

Sebastien Bassong (£4m)

Jermaine Defoe (£10m)

Stephen Warnock (£3.5m)

Vicente (free)

Larsson (free)

I'm excited about it, blind faith tell's me that we will get all the players we need and we'll be challenging for Europe next season... Reality however may bring me back to earth with a bump & have me sobbing into a pint glass at the end of next season???!!!

COME ON YOU BLUES!!!!!!

from your list out I would agree to most of them apart from Samba or Kalinic but if both want to leave then fine.

From your list in, I would agree with most. I think JJ or AD will cost about 5 million.

Gibson I haven't see that much of him.

Bassong would be a good replacemnt for Samba as would Collins from Villa depending who the next AV manger is.

Defoe is a MUST BUY if he is available. Rovers and the owners need to show ambition this summer with transfers and where they want rovers to go

Warnock would be a good buy and is available for about 1 million

Larrson is a good free transfer signing

Vicente is a decent free transfer signing

we need a right back to took over from Salgado so would go Clyde from Palace.

Come On Rovers!!!

[chaddyrovers]

Another thing I find strange - IF Samba had been told our budget was £5m - I am sure he would be telling everyone he was going (irrespective of his holiday plans). As usual (since the take over) confusion reigns - however IF the budget is larger than is being mentioned on here - they are doing the right thing keeping that out of the media. Only time will tell.

good point DMTP. The manager and the owners are doing a good job if we do have a good heathly transfer budget out of the media. Like you say only time will till. I hoping more than excepting this summer.

All rovers fans want the best for the club!!!

COYB!!!

[hi-jaq]

I agree with this, excepting that I think your valuation of Givet, Andrews, Grella and EHD are high.

I have no problem with the owners investment strategy of 5 million/window, with the ability to advance 5 million for one window. Very prudent and sound, IMO.

What I have a problem with is even considering selling P. Jones. Sell Samba. Sell Givet, Kalinic, etc... But if the owners want to be challenging for top 8, then they need to keep P. Jones, Olsson, Hoilett, N'Zonzi and sign J. Jones. Otherwise they are not on course to developing the Rovers into a strong contending team.

I dunno, I reckon Grella really is worth £1m, Andrews is a current Ireland international and seen as a PL player, maybe £750k at the least. Givet reportedly cost us £4m, I reckon as a proven PL player with the ability to play at either fullback or centre half and as a key team member, he must be at minimum £2m but I reckon if we wanted to buy a player like him we'd be looking at similar money. Maybe I was a little over zealous with EHD's valuation but he would be a good player for the right club, and as he's still only 29 he must be worth something???

The owners do need to state their ambition to the fans by keeping PJ & adding to the squad with some quality... We need to keep the players we want & sell the players we don't... we must not be dictated to by the big clubs & their spending power!!!

[hi-jaq]

from your list out I would agree to most of them apart from Samba or Kalinic but if both want to leave then fine.

From your list in, I would agree with most. I think JJ or AD will cost about 5 million.

Gibson I haven't see that much of him.

Bassong would be a good replacemnt for Samba as would Collins from Villa depending who the next AV manger is.

Defoe is a MUST BUY if he is available. Rovers and the owners need to show ambition this summer with transfers and where they want rovers to go

Warnock would be a good buy and is available for about 1 million

Larrson is a good free transfer signing

Vicente is a decent free transfer signing

we need a right back to took over from Salgado so would go Clyde from Palace.

Come On Rovers!!!

I don't want Kalinic to go either, but I reckon his agent will be trying to get him out as his career has stalled since he's been here & it's pretty obvious that Kean doesn't have any faith in him... I'll be gutted if he goes as I think given the right role & under the right management he'd come good, but it won't happen with things as they are!!!!

[Sandiway Blue]

I don't want Kalinic to go either, but I reckon his agent will be trying to get him out as his career has stalled since he's been here & it's pretty obvious that Kean doesn't have any faith in him... I'll be gutted if he goes as I think given the right role & under the right management he'd come good, but it won't happen with things as they are!!!!

You can`t blame Kean on this one.

Under Sam (who is renowned for getting the best out of players) Kalinic had more than enough chances to show what he could do and didn`t.My personal opinion is he is too lightweight for the rigours of the English game.

No great loss,for me he can go as i don`t think he has what it takes to be a success in England.

[JAL]

I have no problem with the owners investment strategy of 5 million/window, with the ability to advance 5 million for one window. Very prudent and sound, IMO.

What I have a problem with is even considering selling P. Jones. Sell Samba. Sell Givet, Kalinic, etc... But if the owners want to be challenging for top 8, then they need to keep P. Jones, Olsson, Hoilett, N'Zonzi and sign J. Jones. Otherwise they are not on course to developing the Rovers into a strong contending team.

Cant fault any of that, question has to be are Venky's really committed to developing Rovers. Or more importantly are they capable of taking Rovers forward.

[hi-jaq]

You can`t blame Kean on this one.

Under Sam (who is renowned for getting the best out of players) Kalinic had more than enough chances to show what he could do and didn`t.My personal opinion is he is too lightweight for the rigours of the English game.

No great loss,for me he can go as i don`t think he has what it takes to be a success in England.

I'm not blaming Kean, I'm just saying he doesn't have faith in him.

Remember Eduardo who played for Arsenal, and in the present day Hernandez for Man U, they aren't physical in the slightest, but both have proven themselves as PL Strikers by scoring goals, and plenty of them.

Niko is too lightweight to play up top on his own, but I think he'd do well with a more physical partner up there with him, not just a battering ram like Roberts, but someone who can play football, someone who would work with him.

I remember watching him against West Brom this season at the Hawthorns, on that particular day MB Diouf & Niko were brilliant, until Niko got the red card. He has good movement, anticipates situations well & he's a good finisher when presented with a good opportunity.

I think if we let him go, he will go somewhere else & prove himself. It will come back to bite us on the arse one day I'm sure.

[youandwhosearmy]

Regarding the whole Phil Jones thing. What will annoy me significantly is that, as soon as (if?) he joins a team like Liverpool he will instantly become and England international.

[Kenwoo]

Just got a bit of bad news. Apparently Phil Jones has a £16 million release clause so we can forget about 20mill+. It's up to the lad to decide now. Hopefully we'll get another season or so out of him but he'll be hard to replace. I'd hope we'd go for Dann or Johnson (or both if we lose Samba) to replace.

I'd imagine putting a release clause would suggest he's gonna want to move at some point

[chaddyrovers]

Just got a bit of bad news. Apparently Phil Jones has a £16 million release clause so we can forget about 20mill+. It's up to the lad to decide now. Hopefully we'll get another season or so out of him but he'll be hard to replace. I'd hope we'd go for Dann or Johnson (or both if we lose Samba) to replace.

from where a good source?

Liverpool are ready to bid 8 mil for dann and sunderland inquire for johnson and was quote 14 million pds. Johnson is not worth 14 mil and dann is worth about 6 mil.

Thats why I said I would go for Bassong or collins. both would cost between 4 to 6 mil. Bassong is up for sale and Collins could be available depending on who is the next Villa manager

[Tom]

Sorry to be less positive than most but I don't think £16m would be an unfair price for Jones if that is in his contract. Obviously we would all prefer £20m plus but our views are naturally biased.

He will be a top player but has a way to go yet in my opinion and his knee worries me, I'm more worried about Hoilett not signing a contract as we will lose him for buttons should he not sign.

In an ideal world though, Hoilett signs, Jones decides to stay and we get a high price if Samba goes which is then reinvested in the team.

[PAFELL]

When they came to the club 5million was the original figure they said but do we no if that still stands. I think from last season its obvious we need more investment and the latest interviews with Kean suggest we have "a very healthy budget", I personally think there will be more than 5million spent.

How much was spent in the last window?

Did Venkys put in 5 mill for that window?

If so is thee any money left from that window?

Or did it all go on RSC unearned wages?

[imy9]

I would be happy with 5 million a window- can we assume wages are separate, because if they are that's 10 million a season being pumped into the club- hopefully would enable us to build.

Nicko-are Venkys still trying for a marque signing or have they given up on that one?

[PAFELL]

Can we trust anything Veny's or Kean say? NOT IN MY OPINION

Lose both Samba and Jones and we are up to our eyeballs in the brown stuff,make no mistake.

Not completely true, but, it would be dependant on who came in as replacements in defence. The fees for both players, could they buy two defenders, as well as a decent striker? Let say Rovers got 25 mill for both players, could two defenders and a stiker be bought with 25 mill?

[chaddyrovers]

http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2011/06/05/birmingham-city-seb-larsson-expected-to-join-blackburn-says-agent-97319-28823988/

[PAFELL]

So to paraphrase some of the optimistic types on here:

So what you are saying Nicko is that because there is five million available and I have heard my mate say that there is twenty million available right? So there must be about £30 million available right? So if we don't spend £20 million this summer then there is likely to be £50 million available in January right?

Also, to the individual who said I have a tendency to pop in with carefully timed bombs. I'm sorry that the truth comes as such a disappointment but the club isn't going to feel massively different than it did under the Trustees. Venkys do not have masses of cash available. This is the simple truth of the matter.

If you want to enjoy a team spending large amounts of cash on a number of different players, I suggest that you start supporting Manchester City. You aren't going to see that from Rovers.

Blackburn Rovers are very dear to my heart and I make no secret of that. For that reason, why would I take any pleasure in posting negative stories? Whether you want to accept it or not, we have been landed with a complete amateur of a manager and we are only still in the Premiership by the grace of God. What makes anyone on this board believe next season will be any different is entirely beyond me. Have you seen Kean's record? I'm sure that if the Rao's made themselves managers, you'd give them six months.

I'm sorry that I'm not telling you what you want to hear (It's strange how popular I get when I do that). I'm just telling you what I've heard. I have no agenda, other than looking out for the best interests of the club. Do I believe that the club is being looked after well at the moment? No.

Good post. Sadly people do not like to hear the truth but prefer to bury heads in the sand. I was all for giving Venkys and Kean a chance - but i also believe we could end up with a season like last season.

[PAFELL]

I agree, but there must surely be buyer out there for Kalinic, who I would prefer to stay but nevermind.

For the older players it comes down to agents & the club to be able to sort it out. I reckon there will be a French club or two after Givet, and maybe even Diouf, we may struggle to shift Grella & Andrews, but for what they're worth, we could just tell em to get bent & find their own clubs!!!

I think both diouf and andrews may end up at whu. I can hope can I not.