[Archived] Summer 2011 Transfer Window Part One

[LeChuck]

Gibson is average at best.Welbeck is good, but I doubt United would sell, but as part of an exchange wont be the worst player we could get.

I honestly think Gibson is very underrated. He's probably not good enough for Man Utd, but he has an excellent range of passing, a thumping long range shot, a good engine and he's pretty physical.

Is welbeck really that good?? I'd rather sturridge, be interesting to see if he's available

Welbeck's best position is probably as a winger, so he wouldn't be THE striker we're all after. I think he's a cracking player with a lot of potential though, and he would fit into the counter attacking style Kean seems to be adopting.

They are both absolute rammel.

Rammel...good or bad?

The BBC Gossip section says Wolves and QPR are going for Matthew Upson on a free. We should be all over that, it looks likely we're going to need at least one centre half this summer.

Whilst I'd be sad to see Jones and possibly Samba leave, it would open a window of opportunity to strengthen elsewhere. I know I posted similar not long ago, but I'm trying to get some optimism going as it's quite depressing here at the moment! We could solve all our problem positions by signing Welbeck, Gibson, Stevie Warnock, Upson and a striker like Sturridge (I reckon Chelsea will give him a chance first though).

[callumrovers]

Why did the club on put a 16 million claus in his contract...i could probably stomach if he left for 25 million but 16?

That is a ###### take!

One angry Rovers fan

[davulsukur]

If, and it looks increasingly likely that Jones is on his way, the owners and management have big decisions to make. Most fans will be very dissapointed that after all the early talk of not selling our young stars and best players, one walks straight out the door.

A few things need to be done:

- ALL the money gained from the sale of Jones needs to be re-invested.

- RSC and Mame Diouf are NOT signed using that money.

- Samba cannot be sold this summer.

£16 million plus whatever we had before hand gives us a real opportunity to get some decent players in. It would kill me to see us have say £20 million in transfer kitty, only to spluff it on RSC and Mame Diouf.

Upson on a free wouldn't be the end of the world, still leaving us a decent amount of cash left in order to get a decent striker and 2 centre mids.

[Iceman]

If both Samba and Jones leaves, then in all honesty, Upson on a free and Scott Dann from Brum would be brilliant bit of business imo… Larsson in on a free as well, plus we will have cash to bring in J Jones and a striker.

Robinson

Salgado Dann Upson Givet

Larsson J Jones Nzonzi Olsson

Hoilett

New Striker?

[rovers_rob]

Andy Cryer has said the same as nicko in the Telegrapph today, basically Jones has told Kean he would like to listen to other clubs if they match the valuation.

I think we are in a bad position here and I reckon it will drag on into August. I doubt any of the big clubs are just going to hand over 16 million now to give us plenty of time to find a replacement.

They will probably haggle right until the last minute and then leave us with no time to get a replacement.

Hopefully someone at the club will have thought of this and put a time limit (i.e end of June or July) on the 16 million so we are not left hanging...but I doubt it.

[Stevo]

Robinson

Salgado Dann Upson Givet

Larsson J Jones Nzonzi Olsson

Hoilett

New Striker?

God that line-up looks depressing...

[davulsukur]

Andy Cryer has said the same as nicko in the Telegrapph today, basically Jones has told Kean he would like to listen to other clubs if they match the valuation.

I think we are in a bad position here and I reckon it will drag on into August. I doubt any of the big clubs are just going to hand over 16 million now to give us plenty of time to find a replacement.

They will probably haggle right until the last minute and then leave us with no time to get a replacement.

Hopefully someone at the club will have thought of this and put a time limit (i.e end of June or July) on the 16 million so we are not left hanging...but I doubt it.

Not too sure how it can drag on really. They cant haggle, they either cough up £16 million to activate his release or they dont sign him.

[Blue n White Rover]

IF Phil Jones does decide to leave then it will not be the end of the world, providing we keep hold of Samba.

Ryan Nelsen is due back from injury at the start of the season, and if people have forgotten him and Samba have been magnificent for us. Jones did make us a stronger unit at the back, but Nelsen is more than capable of playing there and doing a good job.

So if he does go to another club, let him. He did not keep us up last season alone, it was a team effort, and a great effort by our beloved supporters. The club has always lost big players, we've lost Shearer, Sutton, Bellamy, Bentley, Warnock, Friedel, Duff, RSC etc, yet here we still are in the PL. Most importantly, we lost Uncle Jack and we've bounced back from that, so whose Phil Jones in comparison to him?

[Iceman]

God that line-up looks depressing...

Not sure why you think that is a depressing line up… In fact, Larsson will provide some quality crosses,and Junior will have a free role to play in and behind the striker(whoever that may be), J Jones and Nzonzi would do the hard work in breaking up play… I doubt we will find any better than Dann/R johnson or Upson should Samba and Jones leave

[Paul Mellelieu]

The big question must be if we had a proper manager would Jones still want out?

[Brfcrule1]

Iceman are you madUpson the same Upson who was absolutely dire in a 3rd rate WHU team who's positioning for certain goals was terribly suspect if we are to invest the money wisely we need a better class of player than Upson although Scott Dann would be a good replacement but to get him from underneath the noses of L'pool will be hard even Roger Johnson would be a good shout.

[G Somerset Rover]

I honestly think Gibson is very underrated. He's probably not good enough for Man Utd, but he has an excellent range of passing, a thumping long range shot, a good engine and he's pretty physical.

Andrews keeps him out of the Irish side....

[ada2020]

The big question must be if we had a proper manager would Jones still want out?

No it's not at all, he's ambitious and wants to play for a top side.

Blame who you want, bottom line is we cannot fulfill any players ambitions of winning trophies.

It's a ###### state of affairs that isn't going to change anytime soon, with any manager in charge, while we cannot throw millions and millions of pounds at the club

[rovers_rob]

Not too sure how it can drag on really. They cant haggle, they either cough up £16 million to activate his release or they dont sign him.

Yes we will reject every offer that is under 16 mill but that won't stop clubs like Man U trying it on to get the best deal.

I suppose it depends how desparate clubs are to get him and from what nicko said last night no club has bid the 16 million yet.

Other clubs will try it on to get the best deal, offering 10 - 13 million knowing we need to get another player in. We can reject these offers but at some point a big club will decide to take the hit of 16 million but I guess they will only do this as a last resort which will be in August.

I could be (and probably will be) wrong but it is just my theory.

[Mafioso]

If we lose both Samba and Jones we need to invest in central defence.

Upson/Danns should be a replacement for one of the two, not our central defensive partnership.

10 mill for a top CB + Danns/Upson.

[AggyBlue]

Ryan Nelsen is due back from injury at the start of the season, and if people have forgotten him and Samba have been magnificent for us. Jones did make us a stronger unit at the back, but Nelsen is more than capable of playing there and doing a good job.

IMO Nelsen hasn't got a full season in him, he's picking up more and more niggling injuries.

[LeChuck]

If we lose both Samba and Jones we need to invest in central defence.

With Nelsen, Givet and Hanley on the books, one decent defender should do it. Add Upson to that list and it's still an impressive array of centre halves.

A good defence can be obtained by having an organised team, you don't need stand out individuals. The same isn't true for attacking, where talented individuals become far more important. I'd much rather we spent our money strengthening the attack and midfield then look to recruit for defence.

[RibbleValleyRover]

If we lose both Samba and Jones we need to invest in central defence.

Upson/Danns should be a replacement for one of the two, not our central defensive partnership.

10 mill for a top CB + Danns/Upson.

Then we have £5m or so to strengthen midfield and up front. And whatever Kean says Santa Cruz and MBD are not the answer. Plus we are all assuming here 100% of the money from any sale will go to the manager to spend on players, I've seen no guarantee yet this will be the case.

Unless we pull off Sparky like bargain signings who prove to be quality there is a good chance we will start the new season considerably weaker.

I thought Nicko and others raised an interesting point about Samba, how is he going to take Jones leaving for a bigger club? Samba in my opinion is one of those players more likely to kick up a fuss and demand a move, he's already gone to the press several times about wanting to leave in the past.

[callumrovers]

Maybe if Phil Jones go we could go for Charlie Adam? I mean Liverpool have been bidding for Henderson, maybe they lost interest in Adam?

I hope so! He would be quality for Rovers....If we sell Phil Jones, then the owners and kean are going to have to replace him with someone with a lot of quality. A mediocre signing will not be good enough!

[CAPT KAYOS]

Maybe Phil Jones wants to move because he has no confidence in either the owners or the manager.

I have no agenda against Venkeys personally, but imo this is the crux of the matter and has to be questioned (ala Williams and Finn) - as what Kelbo posted why has his stance suddenly changed from earlier this year?

I don't have anything against Jones wanting to move, its natural in football and he will have been aware of his potential and interest from other clubs regardless and maybe the clause was put in as a buffer in case of relegation ( who knows?).

The worrying factors are the unqualified want of 'clueless' interests to sign Diouf and RSC and the underlining signals this sends to the other players and any potential 'new buys'.

Despite peoples wishes Samba will not stay should Jones leave and could still leave anyway given his prvious comments.

[DannyKeg]

To lose Jones will be a blow and there’s no hiding from that. To lose him for 16 M is poor business, in a couple of years he will be worth twice that.

If we really had ambitions to be a top eight club, competing for trophies, then we should be fighting to keep him and build a future team around him.

If he actively wants to go (rather than the club wanting to cash in) then it is a poor commentary on the spirit at the club. I agree with those who say that this sends the wrong message to Hoilett, Samba and the rest of the squad.

It seems that the owners of Liverpool (FSG) are backing Dalglish to build a young team around UK born talent, which sounds like a sensible plan (something which Venkey’s should take notice of, instead of wasting their money on “Marquee Signings”).

[Mafioso]

Then we have £5m or so to strengthen midfield and up front. And whatever Kean says Santa Cruz and MBD are not the answer. Plus we are all assuming here 100% of the money from any sale will go to the manager to spend on players, I've seen no guarantee yet this will be the case.

Unless we pull off Sparky like bargain signings who prove to be quality there is a good chance we will start the new season considerably weaker.

I thought Nicko and others raised an interesting point about Samba, how is he going to take Jones leaving for a bigger club? Samba in my opinion is one of those players more likely to kick up a fuss and demand a move, he's already gone to the press several times about wanting to leave in the past.

When i say 10 mill for a top CB i mean if they both left, which i assumed would mean...

5mill supposed transfer budget

16mill for Jones

10-15mill for Samba (fair estimate)

so i assumed around 25mill if BOTH left. If that is the case then yes, i would spend 10mill on a CB.

[Hughesy]

Also, nicko has even said it we have 5m to spend yet we've been talking a big game about signings.

No he said £5M PER WINDOW + an extra £5m added from Venkys + any left over from January + any profit for sales.

Sunderland planning to sign Gibson and Welbeck with Henderson's fee apparently.

If Jones is going we should hijack that, they're both exactly what we need.

United fans say Gibson is seriously over-rated.

The BBC Gossip section says Wolves and QPR are going for Matthew Upson on a free. We should be all over that, it looks likely we're going to need at least one centre half this summer.

For a free - with a £16m fee incoming, it would be great business.

Why did the club on put a 16 million claus in his contract...i could probably stomach if he left for 25 million but 16?

Agent will have demanded no doubt

The big question must be if we had a proper manager would Jones still want out?

Yes - he feels its a big chance to go to a top club....and he's ambitious - its all about him, nothing else.

[sparkspakespoke]

No he said £5M PER WINDOW + an extra £5m added from Venkys + any left over from January + any profit for sales.

United fans say Gibson is seriously over-rated.

For a free - with a £16m fee incoming, it would be great business.

Agent will have demanded no doubt

Yes - he feels its a big chance to go to a top club....and he's ambitious - its all about him, nothing else.

No you've misunderstood, its five million extra venkys put in on top of what the club generates. Without sales our budget is five million this summer.

[Hughesy]

No you've misunderstood, its five million extra venkys put in on top of what the club generates. Without sales our budget is five million this summer.

No

As per when they took over - its £5m per window, they then said an extra £5m had been put in + whatever was left from January.

Sell Jones and the budget should be around £26m. (16m fee + 10m venkys)