[Archived] Summer 2011 Transfer Window Part One

[Amo]

Did somebody say recently 'Rovers are not a selling club' No need to sell to buy. What a load of rubbish that was.

Not a lot you can do once a player's head has been turned.

[chaddyrovers]

I'd be fine with this as well. Bassong and Samba would be real nice. Any idea how much Spurs would want for Bassong?

maybe 4 or 5 million pounds i would think.

[PAFELL]

Wasn't John Williams still at the helm when Jones signed his new contract and the "clause" was allegedly inserted?

It does seem a ludicrously poor bit of business to potentially lose Jones for 16m but you have to point the finger at the player on this one if he decides to leave. He's only been a first team regular for less than a full season when his injury is taken into account.

I have to say if he did decide to leave I would have no sympathy at all if he ended up rotting on a "big three" bench somewhere as opposed to playing every week here.

Would not a player have the option to say to a club that offers the amount in the clause, to say NO I want to stay here.

My view is if we had stability and a decent manager Jones would want to stay - clause reached or not.

[JAL]

Not a lot you can do once a player's head has been turned.

[RevidgeBlue]

Would not a player have the option to say to a club that offers the amount in the clause, to say NO I want to stay here.

Indeed. Therefore if Jones decides to leave it's entirely down to him.

Hypothetically I suppose if the selling Club wanted the money on offer it could publicly accept a specific bid thereby making a player feel unwanted and effectively forcing him out of the Club. (Which seemingly happened with Duff)

No suggestion that's the situation here - the ball's entirely in Jones' court IF there is in fact a clause and IF the trigger amount is met.

[Tom]

Would beg to differ.

Keeping our best players by having a manager who is widely respected and likely to attract better players to Ewood. If we don't need to sell, as Venky's keep telling us, then someone like Mark Hughes would have contained this situation. Players want to see the club progressing on to bigger things and this is not what has happened since Stephen Kean's appointment 2 or 3 wins in 15 matches is regression.

Are you and JAL the same person? This Stephen Kean business is pathetic.

Weird that Ronaldo went to Madrid, if only United had a respected manager he wouldn't have gone I suppose

[BuckyRover]

JAL reminds me of badly programmed AI.  Everything is a tenuous link

[AJW]

Phillipe Mexes and Simone Perrotta on Bosmans too apparently , i would have thought Mexes would be snapped up pretty quickly ? and wasnt Perrotta the guy who was born in Wigan or Warrington?

[BuckyRover]

<br />Phillipe Mexes and Simone Perrotta on Bosmans too apparently , i would have thought Mexes would be snapped up pretty quickly ? and wasnt Perrotta the guy who was born in Wigan or Warrington?<br />

<br /><br /><br Ashton under Lyne

[AggyBlue]

Indeed. Therefore if Jones decides to leave it's entirely down to him.

Hypothetically I suppose if the selling Club wanted the money on offer it could publicly accept a specific bid thereby making a player feel unwanted and effectively forcing him out of the Club. (Which seemingly happened with Duff)

No suggestion that's the situation here - the ball's entirely in Jones' court IF there is in fact a clause and IF the trigger amount is met.

Hypothetically suppose Venky's wanted the clause in, knowing full well the top clubs would be alerted to it.

The facts will come out eventually but not everyone will choose to believe them

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Iceman are you madUpson the same Upson who was absolutely dire in a 3rd rate WHU team who's positioning for certain goals was terribly suspect if we are to invest the money wisely we need a better class of player than Upson although Scott Dann would be a good replacement but to get him from underneath the noses of L'pool will be hard even Roger Johnson would be a good shout.

I don't need the Wham fans to tell me he's crap, I've seen the evidence with my own eyes. I've never seen him have a good game. I'm not too sure about the Brum lads, I've not seen enough of them but it seems they play well as a pair, not so good as individuals. Bassong I like, Onuaha I like. Gibson at Utd blows hot and cold, he might not be capable of running the show in an average team in my opinion. Welbeck ? is he any better than Diouf the younger ? Mc Carthy at Wigan is a good little player, he'd do me.

[ptholt]

I remember not long ago that minimum fee release clauses and the like were non disclosed items and clubs had to bid to get over the figure and the selling club could essentially sell to the highest bidder, now the fees seem to be fairly common knowledge and its just a case of whos prepared to meet that minimum :s

[Ricky]

I was looking at the list of bosmans, think mexes has signed for Milan though so don't think we can do anything there lol.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Phillipe Mexes and Simone Perrotta on Bosmans too apparently , i would have thought Mexes would be snapped up pretty quickly ? and wasnt Perrotta the guy who was born in Wigan or Warrington?

Gabriel Milito available on a free (though apparently still got 12 months left on his contract) from Barcelona.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

It would be interesting to know who earmarked the January signings. If Kentaro were responsible for getting J Jones, Formica and Ruchina then they may have some more 'off the radar' players to come in.

[Ricky]

Samba is as good as gone. You only have to read his twitter feed to see that.

[Billy Castell]

You all know we'd end up signing someone like Titus Bramble, so it's probably best not to do this to ourselves. Here's how the summer will probably pan out:

Out:

P. Jones

Samba

J. Jones (loan ends, no fee agreed upon)

In:

Bramble

Wes Brown

Santa Cruz

Guthrie

Mido

[xtp]

Wasn't John Williams still at the helm when Jones signed his new contract and the "clause" was allegedly inserted?

It does seem a ludicrously poor bit of business to potentially lose Jones for 16m but you have to point the finger at the player on this one if he decides to leave. He's only been a first team regular for less than a full season when his injury is taken into account.

I have to say if he did decide to leave I would have no sympathy at all if he ended up rotting on a "big three" bench somewhere as opposed to playing every week here.

Good point. Personally, I think Williams was being edged out throughout January. Communication seemed to go from Venky's to Kean, with Williams cut out of the loop. I'm guessing that he wasn't heavily involved in Jones' contract negotiations. However, I fully admit that's just my opinion and that I can't prove it.

In terms of the transfer contracts he's negotiated before, yes, he'd put release clauses in Duff's and Bellamy's contracts, but I think those were very different cases. We'd likely never have signed Bellamy in the first place without his clause. Getting him in, having him do wonder's for a season, and then doubling our money is not a bad piece of business, no matter how frustrating it was at the time. With Duff, it was an exceptionally high release clause, to keep the player happy. In the end, getting £17 million for Duff was a fabulous bit of business - even though it was devestating as a fan.

Whereas this doesn't seem like a good piece of business at all. The worst bit of it is that a buying club can chip away at us all summer and then bid £16 million on the last day of the window... and we HAVE to accept it. Not good at all.

[slough_rover]

Samba is as good as gone. You only have to read his twitter feed to see that.

Thats a fake. He isnt on twitter as stated by Roberts on his account.

[xtp]

Weird that Ronaldo went to Madrid, if only United had a respected manager he wouldn't have gone I suppose

Ferguson managed to keep Ronaldo at the club for at least one extra season after he wanted to go and then managed to get £80 million for him, which is a pretty respectable price. In terms of what would happen here if we had a 'better' management team, its all 'ifs', 'buts' and 'maybes', but from the outside looking in, it does look pretty badly handled.

[BuckyRover]

Thats a fake. He isnt on twitter as stated by Roberts on his account.

He has a verified account.

ChrisSamba4

[slough_rover]

He has a verified account.

ChrisSamba4

That is pretty ominous reading. Venkys need some serious work to do this summer. However I will not jump on the bandwagon of blaming them for their departures. Samba has been making noises to move well before the takeover and Jones' contract extension was also done at the time of the trust. How well they replace these guys will be a good judge of how serious they take the club.

[Stuart]

Someone mentioned in the last day or so that we can expect Jones to go because of the food chain of football and that "it's only what we do to smaller clubs".

But since the Jack Walker era, I can't think of a single player we've brought to the club who was someone else's star player (and I'm not counting Andrews). I do remember plenty of gambles and out of favour players so how does this food chain theory go again?

[brfcshabba]

Not the official Twitter verification symbol though is it?

Who ever it is has just put ✔Verified in the location field on their profile. It maybe Samba but he's not official just yet

[thenonda]

He has a verified account.

ChrisSamba4

Fake Account - the real verified account is a light blue 'V' that says 'verified' when you hover over. look at @charliesheen as an example