[Archived] Summer 2011 Transfer Window Part One

[RibbleValleyRover]

RSC was a risk worth taking on loan, he was quality for us 1st time, he knew the players, the set-up etc, you would have expected him to do better – he didn’t.

Formica – Has a left wand according to some and was signed for the future, so lets see.

Rochina – Earning rave reviews in the reserves, quickly settled – again sign for the future so again lets see how he progresses.

J Jones – Super signing, better than any midfielder our managers have signed for the last few years.

M Diouf – A sam signing, did ok, could have gone better but when played upfront, he did ok.

So of Kean’s id say 1 top signing, 1 who failed but you could see why we took a chance, and 2 kids (who need time before being written off) – 1 showing massive potential, the other impressing the other players in training and on the fringes of the Argentina squad.

I expected Roque to flop, I called it with several others on day one as seen in the RSC thread. Injuries have taken their toll even further on him, plus without Bentley it was obvious he wasn't going to score anywhere near the number of goals he did during his first stint.

If you look at the overall impact of our signings between January and now only one has been a success, I don't see how anyone can say otherwise. Might that view change in the future? Possibly, but as it stands the window was far from a success.

[jim mk2]

RSC ENOUGH SAID.

Formica - REGUALR RESERVE TEAM WATCHERS SAY HE'S TOO LIGHTWEIGHT AND WON'T MAKE IT - ANOTHER VILLANEUVE ?

Rochina – COULD BE GOOD BUT MIGHT BE A FLOP AND WAS OF NO USE TO US IN THE RELEGATION BATTLE.

J Jones – LOOKS OK - SHOULD BE SIGNED BUT POTENTIALLY INJURY PRONE.

M Diouf – SAM SIGNING SO IRRELEVANT

With one success out of four in the last window would you hand over £30m plus (allegedly) to this manager in this window ?

[RibbleValleyRover]

Kean says stupid things sometimes and his court case is an unwelcome distraction but to say he can't spot a player or you don't trust him with transfers is a bit strange.

If your manager says in an intereview on the 6th June with Radio Lancs that he wants to bring Diouf and Roque back how can anyone not be sceptical or have major doubts about the manager's ability to spot a player?

[hawkiiz]

Just a thought.

Who thinks PJ will go straight into the MANU line-up?

If he does'nt, could it be possible that SAF let him go back to us on loan? I heard SAF originally wanted PJ to play a year or two more at Rovers before buying, but since the big boys started bidding, he decided to go for it now.

Possible?

[Hughesy]

If you look at the overall impact of our signings between January and now only one has been a success, I don't see how anyone can say otherwise. Might that view change in the future? Possibly, but as it stands the window was far from a success.

2 were NOT expected to have an impact.

So you could easily say 50% - RSC NO, JJ YES

Anyway help Rovers find the right players.....here are some

Diego available for 10m Euros

A couple of non prem players we should try for….who have big futures ahead

• Iker Muniain from Bilbao – 18 year old attacking mid, one of the future Spanish stars - MASSIVE POTENTIAL
  
• Sebastian Rudy – 21 year old midfielder from Hoffenheim
  
• Papiss Cissé – 26 year old striker from Freiburg in Germany (Been linked before)
  

Add some prem experience too - Bellamy (perhaps), Demba Ba, Kranjcar

Look at some decent young prospects with experience - Sturridge, Gibbs, Naughton

[beanie]

Two of the top four clubs look like between them will take our top two central defenders, why?

Because in SAF and Wengers opinion they are the best available, now we have to get two centre backs who are not quite as good and at what cost, having a healthy transfer kitty is one thing but even looking at the minimum, we need 2 centre backs, 2 midfielders and two strikers, thats 6 players, strikers of any decency will be a minimum £10,000,000 each, people on here are talking of Johnson at £14,000,000 and we stil need one more defender minimum and two midfielders, more importantly, they have got to be the right players and then, this is the big part, they have to gel together as a team and thats not always very easy.

Hanley Givet and nelsen and a new signing should give us enough cover then i'd agree on two mid's possibly reo coker and two strikers this is def doable with around 40m

[47er]

Why don't you have faith?

We've spent money on 4 players the last transfer window, 1 of which is showing real potential in the reserves(Rochina), one who the jury is still out on(Formica), one every Rovers fan wants to sign permanently (Jones) and a crock.

3 out of 4 isn't bad.

Allardyce, Ince, Hughes, Souness all made mistakes.

There's faith and there's blind faith. You and others keep repeating Kean made 3 good signings out of 4 in January. He didn't. Even your own statement above means he made 2 out of 4! And that includes Rochina who hardly played at all. He made 1 out of 4 which is why I've little faith in him.

Further the one disaster we agree on---Croque-------he's intent on resigning.

And why are you lumping Ince in with 3 real managers. Of course Ince made mistakes---he did very little else!

[beanie]

With one success out of four in the last window would you hand over £30m plus (allegedly) to this manager in this window ?

Two for the future and two loans one a sucsess one a flop not to bad really.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

Having to read through the last 10 or so pages is painful. Some of the nonesense that has been written.. Wow.

P.Jones:

The ONLY person who benefitted from a release clause was Jones. It is fair to assume he wouldnt have signed a new deal unless the clause was inserted.

He chose to join United. No manager or ownership would have stopped him. His decision. Judge him for leaving, no one else

Samba:

Again, his choice. If he wants to leave then so be it. Take the money. We can stop him but he is clearly desperate to move. Time to let the guy go. He's given us decent time and has deserved his shot at a bigger club.

Kean/Venky's:

They have been blamed for not making any media responses - What exactly were they supposed to comment on?? I thought people wanted them to be more concise and not comment on speculation??

Kean's hands were tied regarding Jones. Samba leaving was rather inevitable and it would have been foolish to keep him if he wanted to leave.

Regarding his picking of players in the transfer market - J.Jones and Rochina worked. Formica we havent seen and Roque flopped. At worst thats 2/4 which isn't bad. I know its fashionable to knock Kean, but to say he hasnt got a clue simply on the basis of January is unfair.

Oh, and to see people still taking BPF seriously is rather strange. Syed Ali being a multi millionaire, that injury Hoilett was faking in order to leave, Venky's giving us £20m on top of the Jones deal, Mame Diouf signing in exchannge, Jones medical breaking down.... All solid info there..

I have to say that if Kean does sign either Roque or Mame Diouf then he'll deserve a serious amount of stick. Both useless. With the money we should have now, we can do considerably better.

[47er]

Kean says stupid things sometimes and his court case is an unwelcome distraction but to say he can't spot a player or you don't trust him with transfers is a bit strange.

Eh????????? When the prizes for the annual awards are announced, surely this one should win something! For the first time in my life I'm speechless!

[davulsukur]

RSC was a risk worth taking on loan, he was quality for us 1st time, he knew the players, the set-up etc, you would have expected him to do better – he didn’t.

Formica – Has a left wand according to some and was signed for the future, so lets see.

Rochina – Earning rave reviews in the reserves, quickly settled – again sign for the future so again lets see how he progresses.

J Jones – Super signing, better than any midfielder our managers have signed for the last few years.

M Diouf – A sam signing, did ok, could have gone better but when played upfront, he did ok.

So of Kean’s id say 1 top signing, 1 who failed but you could see why we took a chance, and 2 kids (who need time before being written off) – 1 showing massive potential, the other impressing the other players in training and on the fringes of the Argentina squad.

I am expecting to see a lot more from Rochina, the lad looks the part, even though i think you're right that he was signed for the future i think he will make a decent impact next season.

[LeChuck]

Kean says stupid things sometimes and his court case is an unwelcome distraction but to say he can't spot a player or you don't trust him with transfers is a bit strange.

What evidence do you have that Kean found those players?

In all likelihood Jerome Anderson put forward these players for us to sign. That's what he was paid to do at Man City (he was responsible for Elano, Corluka etc.). If we have been paying him as a consultant then that's what he'll have done for us too. The Formica deal is the strongest indicator of this - SEM have a scouting network and are well represented in South America.

Why/How would Kean have been aware of him, and how would he have persuaded him to turn down Monaco and come to us instead? If Formica turns out to be a good 'un then I think Anderson will have earned his agent's fee there.

Kean is probably more of a European style 'head coach' rather than a traditional 'manager' that we're used to.

[booth]

How can losing two or our best players and having to reconstruct the entire defence be "good business" ?

Unless Kean has identified cheap, top-class replacements abroad (which I doubt) It will take £20m - £30m to replace Jones and Samba (assuming they both leave). Birmingham are reported to want £14m for Johnson and, knowing we have cash to spend, Villa will probably want the same for Collins - and neither are in the same league as Jones or Samba.

Basically, the club is going to have to spend alot of money just to stand still - and that is assuming of course that Venky's are true to their word and won't trouser the cash.

Presumably Kean and the owners have known for some time that we might lose one or both of these players so i would also expect replacements in quickly and not last-minute panic transfers in the middle of August.

The bit in bold is exactly what's been going through my mind. But not just stand still, go backwards as who is to say two new CB's will gel immediately. They will have to be better than Collins and Johnson, in my opinion, to be as good as Jones/Samba were. This reminds me of when we lost our defense in 1997/98. It takes a while to recover when the spine of the team is pulled from it. Losing one quality defender is bad, losing two is a disaster.

I think Samba will leave. The Arsenal link is on Sky Sports, and their main transfer story on their website.

[Gav]

Jesus this is part of football! We have lost players before and replaced them, we will continue without them!

Jones - excellent prospect but we don't need someone that good in our defence as we are a mid table team! Our offensive losses cost us more such as bentley, duff, Bellamy and if hoilett decides his career is best away from Ewood park!

Samba - we will miss alot of qualities but again he is replaceable! He came from nowhere it is now time to unearth another gem!

The club is operating exactly the same as it was under Williams and Finn at the moment, all the staff are just getting on with it as they did when they were there! Paul Hunt is a football man as i reveived an email from him yesterday and Steve kean could well turn out to be decent after listening to some insider comments and looking at the in-depth analysis in the changing rooms from the united game!

Keep the faith! We still have a very strong team but have a few gaps that could well be filled by a transfer kitty in excess of £50m!!!!!!!!

AMEN

[Blue n White Rover]

There's faith and there's blind faith. You and others keep repeating Kean made 3 good signings out of 4 in January. He didn't. Even your own statement above means he made 2 out of 4! And that includes Rochina who hardly played at all. He made 1 out of 4 which is why I've little faith in him.

Further the one disaster we agree on---Croque-------he's intent on resigning.

And why are you lumping Ince in with 3 real managers. Of course Ince made mistakes---he did very little else!

In the same way I can't class Rochina and Formica as a success, you can't count them as a failure.

So out of Jones and Roque, he's made 1 quality signing and the other was a risk that I personally, and I know a lot of fans that share this view, thought would come off. It didn't. We're not in the hands of The Trust anymore where such mistakes will kill us financially, so it's not really a HUGE failure as some make it out to be.

I mentioned Ince as he was one of our previous managers that made mistakes, along with Sam, Hughes and Souness.

[beanie]

There's faith and there's blind faith. You and others keep repeating Kean made 3 good signings out of 4 in January. He didn't. Even your own statement above means he made 2 out of 4! And that includes Rochina who hardly played at all. He made 1 out of 4 which is why I've little faith in him.

Further the one disaster we agree on---Croque-------he's intent on resigning.

And why are you lumping Ince in with 3 real managers. Of course Ince made mistakes---he did very little else!

Your right about ince but under your guide to sucess an failure you would have to put hoillet ollsen down as failures for who ever they joined under as they are only playing well now so if formica and rochina are flops after less than 6 months then its only fair to do the same with the others.

[Mattyblue]

AMEN

£50 million to spend? Do me a favour!

[booth]

Your right about ince but under your guide to sucess an failure you would have to put hoillet ollsen down as failures for who ever they joined under as they are only playing well now so if formica and rochina are flops after less than 6 months then its only fair to do the same with the others.

A lot of people are missing the point here from both sides of the argument. Formica and Rochina aren't exactly flops, but they were no use for the relegation dogfight. So for last season they weren't successful signings, they didn't strengthen the team at all. However we may see the best of them yet and they may turn out to be successful.

[ada2020]

What evidence do you have that Kean found those players?

In all likelihood Jerome Anderson put forward these players for us to sign. That's what he was paid to do at Man City (he was responsible for Elano, Corluka etc.). If we have been paying him as a consultant then that's what he'll have done for us too. The Formica deal is the strongest indicator of this - SEM have a scouting network and are well represented in South America.

Why/How would Kean have been aware of him, and how would he have persuaded him to turn down Monaco and come to us instead? If Formica turns out to be a good 'un then I think Anderson will have earned his agent's fee there.

Kean is probably more of a European style 'head coach' rather than a traditional 'manager' that we're used to.

Got to agree, I'm not convinced for one second he scouted them.

Like to think he had final say on it though.

[Kenwoo]

Any good news for us Nicko?

[beanie]

What evidence do you have that Kean found those players?

In all likelihood Jerome Anderson put forward these players for us to sign. That's what he was paid to do at Man City (he was responsible for Elano, Corluka etc.). If we have been paying him as a consultant then that's what he'll have done for us too. The Formica deal is the strongest indicator of this - SEM have a scouting network and are well represented in South America.

Why/How would Kean have been aware of him, and how would he have persuaded him to turn down Monaco and come to us instead? If Formica turns out to be a good 'un then I think Anderson will have earned his agent's fee there.

Kean is probably more of a European style 'head coach' rather than a traditional 'manager' that we're used to.

Could you not say the same about any manager do you think that he was over in germany taking in a hertha bsc reserve game when he came across samba or was he recommended for a trial by an agent?

[Mercer]

Two for the future and two loans one a sucsess one a flop not to bad really.

Two for the future IF they prove any good. If they don't, with agent fees added, probably a £7 or £8 million disaster.

How would you categorize Myles Anderson who many seem to have forgotten ? Is he Phil Jones' replacement ?

[nicko]

Any good news for us Nicko?

Yes, the sun is about to shine at lunchtime...

JONES...not announced yet because there are some factors to finalise...not medical...this may yet have an ugly side...no swaps either.

SAMBA...you have to play hard ball...I am not sure Arsenal will pay what you will look for...there is a lot of stamping of feet here...the shock is Arsenal want TWO centre halves...so this one has a way to run.

INCOMING...no word...but that can't continue for long.

[BuckyRover]

What evidence do you have that Kean found those players?

In all likelihood Jerome Anderson put forward these players for us to sign. That's what he was paid to do at Man City (he was responsible for Elano, Corluka etc.). If we have been paying him as a consultant then that's what he'll have done for us too. The Formica deal is the strongest indicator of this - SEM have a scouting network and are well represented in South America.

Why/How would Kean have been aware of him, and how would he have persuaded him to turn down Monaco and come to us instead? If Formica turns out to be a good 'un then I think Anderson will have earned his agent's fee there.

Kean is probably more of a European style 'head coach' rather than a traditional 'manager' that we're used to.

I don't have any evidence that he scouted the players.

Why would it be different now? I'm not worried about the quality of player we will sign.

I don't even care if we sign Roque (City should pay 50% wages though)

[modes98]

With one success out of four in the last window would you hand over £30m plus (allegedly) to this manager in this window ?

Not a chance. We did the same when Ince got all the money to spend and it left Sam with nothing.

Just a thought.

Who thinks PJ will go straight into the MANU line-up?

If he does'nt, could it be possible that SAF let him go back to us on loan? I heard SAF originally wanted PJ to play a year or two more at Rovers before buying, but since the big boys started bidding, he decided to go for it now.

Possible?

I thought that might happen but if they are looking to sell Brown and O'Shea it leaves them a little light at the back. Plus PJ can slot into DM role.