[Archived] Summer 2011 Transfer Window Part One

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What people are missing here is that the clause will have been put in by the player and his agent. Usually they are a sticking point in signing a new deal as in 'put it in or we wont sign'. I don't think anyone at blackburn deserves to be shot.

This, for me, is the main point. We can all jump around trying to blame the management for the price of Jones being too low but ultimately the reality is that Jones and his advisors were the most likely ones who added the clause and Jones probably wouldnt have signed a new deal without one.

£16m on top of our budget already allocated by Venkys is easily enough to strengthen the side in areas which have needed strengthening for years. A new left back and a centre back if/when Samba moves is the first issue and then its a striker and a creative mid.

[youandwhosearmy]

Sick of the whole jones affair now. In my mind he is now a man u player and they paid between 16 and 20 million...

[Black Burn]

I think rather than misunderstanding the Venkys are playing on the loophole and trying to force as much money out of Manchester United as possible. Then if they fail in squeezing money and Manchester United complains, they can claim "oh, whoops, we just 'misunderstood' the whole thing, our bad", and nothing will happen.

But if they continue playing stupid, and succeed in making Manchester United wet their pants over the saga (Sir Alex Ferguson is not the only one capable of playing mind games), we might get more than the 16 million pounds Manchester United is offering.

Well, in any case it would be better to do something like act stupid than to do nothing and just handing Jones over to SAF and the Red DEVILS (I'm gonna need a cross to ward them off our players).

[herbergeehh]

Just spoken to a friend of mine who works for L'Equipe and does a lot of work on Lens and he said that he would be surprised if the fee ended up being higher than 2-3 million euros. He did warn me that the entire Lens side were bad, but he if feel that Aurier had potential.

Isn't there also a central defender there who's wanted by clubs like Manchester United, Chelsea ++... ?

[John]

This, for me, is the main point. We can all jump around trying to blame the management for the price of Jones being too low but ultimately the reality is that Jones and his advisors were the most likely ones who added the clause and Jones probably wouldnt have signed a new deal without one.

The impression I got from the all of the new contracts in January/Februray is that they were rushed through and also made to appease the growing unrest at the time (and try and create a feel good factor behind having Steve Kean, a complete novice, as the new manager). The fact Samba and Jones both signed new deals, and both now look like they are leaving a few months later illustrate that point.

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My thoughts exactly PB.

Any neutral's are going to wonder why a club that value Jones at £25m, gave him a release clause at £16m. The defence would be that JW inserted the clause and Venky's either didn't understand what that meant, or didn't know about it. Neither is acceptable.

You have to wonder why Venky's haven't been put straight by other people at the club, but then you wonder who is there for them to ask? JW or TF would certainly have explained to them what a release clause actually means, but they're not there any more.

We can only hope that Paul Hunt can sort things out in future. Best of luck to him because he's going to have a lot on his plate.

We are we assuming that Venkys put the clause at such a low figure without any reason??

Why dont we instead think that Phil Jones refused to sign a contract with a release clause any higher than £16m???

For me the latter point sounds far more likely. You can blame Venky's for this but I dont see why you'd think they're to blame when the most likely reason for Jones's release clause being so low is Jones himself demanding it to be that way.

[T.J.Newton]

I will leave the analysis of what is going on in one of the oddest transfer tales for some time to the experts.

One or two need to take a good hump to themselves while doing so.

Regards.

why has nicko removed his 11 oclocker from last night and left this strange statement, light weight amature tabloid journalist.

I will leave the analysis of what is going on in one of the oddest transfer tales for some time to the experts.

One or two need to take a good hump to themselves while doing so.

Regards.

why has nicko removed his 11 oclocker from last night and left this strange statement, light weight amature tabloid journalist.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

The impression I got from the all of the new contracts in January/Februray is that they were rushed through and also made to appease the growing unrest at the time (and try and create a feel good factor behind having Steve Kean, a complete novice, as the new manager). The fact Samba and Jones both signed new deals, and both now look like they are leaving a few months later, illustrate that point.

We could also say that due to them signing new deals we may actually be receiveing more money for Jones now then if we had kept him on his previous deal. If Jones had a cheaper buy out clause beforehand then at least we're getting more cash now.

[hawkiiz]

Bloody hell! So long as you have not read the contract yourself, don't judge on the owners for being "stupid", "naive" and "not knowing the first thing about football". For all we know they have a perfectly good case.

[RevidgeBlue]

My thoughts exactly PB.

Any neutral's are going to wonder why a club that value Jones at £25m, gave him a release clause at £16m. The defence would be that JW inserted the clause and Venky's either didn't understand what that meant, or didn't know about it. Neither is acceptable.

You have to wonder why Venky's haven't been put straight by other people at the club, but then you wonder who is there for them to ask? JW or TF would certainly have explained to them what a release clause actually means, but they're not there any more.

We can only hope that Paul Hunt can sort things out in future. Best of luck to him because he's going to have a lot on his plate.

Not like you to criticise the new owners den but I can see no suggestion in nicko's article that the Rao's misunderstand the meaning of the clause in Jones' contract. It reads to me as though it is felt that ManUre's behaviour in tapping up Jones was far from by the book and that they know it and we are trying to use that fact to lever more money out of the barstewards.

[Ferrit]

Bored of the Jones saga, would rather we just got on with it and moved forward.

[imy9]

The impression I got from the all of the new contracts in January/Februray is that they were rushed through and also made to appease the growing unrest at the time (and try and create a feel good factor behind having Steve Kean, a complete novice, as the new manager). The fact Samba and Jones both signed new deals, and both now look like they are leaving a few months later, illustrate that point.

The insertion of clauses is something that we at Rovers have done for years, we are the leading lights in the pl at it. I am not looking to blame anyone at our club whether thats JW, Finn, JA, Venkys etc because these clauses are most likely drawn up by the players or agents to give them a get out if a big club comes calling- what can a club do? Let the player continue on a contract coming to an end or one with a low release fee?

[den]

We are we assuming that Venkys put the clause at such a low figure without any reason??

Why dont we instead think that Phil Jones refused to sign a contract with a release clause any higher than £16m???

For me the latter point sounds far more likely. You can blame Venky's for this but I dont see why you'd think they're to blame when the most likely reason for Jones's release clause being so low is Jones himself demanding it to be that way.

I'm saying - and so are others - that the owners should have known the main details of players contracts. If there are release clauses, they should know about them. The owners are responsible for the financial well being of the club and simply must know these things. I'm not putting "blame" on anyone really, just saying that they have put themselves in a silly position by either not knowing about the clause, or not understanding it. Jone's contract was renogatiated in February and Venky's should have been aware of the clause.

[T.J.Newton]

We are we assuming that Venkys put the clause at such a low figure without any reason??

Why dont we instead think that Phil Jones refused to sign a contract with a release clause any higher than £16m???

For me the latter point sounds far more likely. You can blame Venky's for this but I dont see why you'd think they're to blame when the most likely reason for Jones's release clause being so low is Jones himself demanding it to be that way.

as far as im aware jonese previous contract wasnt due to expire, the new contract was offered as a gesture of loyalty, he wasnt in a position to be demanding a release clause in the new contract it should have just been a case of take or leave it, If he hadnt of signed that contract with the clause we would now be demanding 25mill(and wed prob recieve closer to that than 16mill).

[pick32]

Can we have a thread just for transfer links please or just move all the Phil Jones stuff onto the Phil Jones thread it would save me a lot of time.

[John]

The insertion of clauses is something that we at Rovers have done for years, we are the leading lights in the pl at it. I am not looking to blame anyone at our club whether thats JW, Finn, JA, Venkys etc because these clauses are most likely drawn up by the players or agents to give them a get out if a big club comes calling- what can a club do? Let the player continue on a contract coming to an end or one with a low release fee?

New contracts can sometimes take months to agree, with negotiations taking place on various aspects of the deal - as stated, I believe the new contracts were rushed through, only a few months ago, in an attempt to provide credibility to our new manager and owners.

Was Jones deal running out when he agreed his latest one, can't remember?

[den]

Not like you to criticise the new owners den but I can see no suggestion in nicko's article that the Rao's misunderstand the meaning of the clause in Jones' contract. It reads to me as though it is felt that ManUre's behaviour in tapping up Jones was far from by the book and that they know it and we are trying to use that fact to lever more money out of the barstewards.

According to reports Rev, Venky's are furious that he was only valued at £16m, when they believe he is worth £25m. Trying to get more money out of them because he was tapped up is amateurish as well. If they think he's been tapped up, then report it to the authorities. Otherwise move on and get about the rest of the transfer window.

[RevidgeBlue]

Was Jones deal running out when he agreed his latest one, can't remember?

No.

[chaddyrovers]

Bloody hell! So long as you have not read the contract yourself, don't judge on the owners for being "stupid", "naive" and "not knowing the first thing about football". For all we know they have a perfectly good case.

Excellent point. we don't know what it says in Jones's contract.

I just want the end of the Jones transfer affair. Gone on far to long now.

We need to move on now and use the Jones transfer money and the money already in the transfer pot to sign about 6 very good players. Hopefully in the next couple of weeks we can see Kean and Rovers signing players and hopefully see Samba and Hoilett sign new deals at the club!!!

COYB!

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as far as im aware jonese previous contract wasnt due to expire, the new contract was offered as a gesture of loyalty, he wasnt in a position to be demanding a release clause in the new contract it should have just been a case of take or leave it, If he hadnt of signed that contract with the clause we would now be demanding 25mill(and wed prob recieve closer to that than 16mill).

Well if his previous deal had a lower price for a release clause then we'd be in an even worse position now and him signing a new contract may have gotten us a lot more cash.

For all we know his new contract may have had a far higher release clause but still one which Jones didn't want to exceed £20m.

I know I'm speculating but its based on as much information as anyone who is criticising Venkys is using. I also feel that nobody benefits from such a clause other than Jones and that is why I think its harsh to blame the ownership for such a clause being inserted when its very likely that Jones would have refused to sign a deal without one.

[Kelbo]

What is clear without a shadow of doubt, is that the management at Rovers from top to bottom now is far too inexperienced and the owners, maybe are nice people, are very niave.

I can tell you that one of the biggest problems between JW and the owners was this, when JW offered advice, it was viewed by Venkys as patronising, they didnt like it, hence Mrs D's statement in the press about JW 'To toe the line'. This is a cultural difference and how things work in India where the owners are never questioned.

So we are left here with a release clause, that has been established, the player knew the amount of the clause, his agent, the Rovers board, the premier league (they check all contracts as they are the custodians of all players PL contracts, they simply cannot be altered without the acceptance by the PL) and probably some friends and family, wouldnt take much for that to get out would it?

I can accept the argument regarding how did SAF/Man U know what the release clause was but I ask this question, do you really believe 'tapping up' does not exist in football at all levels, that when Allardyce was sacked, Kean was not spoken to by JA or someone for the Rao family to gather his views? Some may say Kean was not spoken to, yet that could have meant that realistically,

Kean could also have 'walked' in sympathy for Sam as he got him the job at Rovers in the first place!!

[RevidgeBlue]

According to reports Rev, Venky's are furious that he was only valued at £16m, when they believe he is worth £25m. Trying to get more money out of them because he was tapped up is amateurish as well. If they think he's been tapped up, then report it to the authorities. Otherwise move on and get about the rest of the transfer window.

If it's a move done by owners people are determined to criticise no matter whgat they do, maybe.

If it's a move made by owners people were broadly supportive of it would no doubt be regarded as good hard nosed business practice.

[Clitherover]

why has nicko removed his 11 oclocker from last night and left this strange statement, light weight amature tabloid journalist.

Probably because idiots keep criticizing his every move on here when he at least has the decency to come on and share what he knows with us.

What does amature mean btw?

[Jcromptonbrfc]

as far as im aware jonese previous contract wasnt due to expire, the new contract was offered as a gesture of loyalty, he wasnt in a position to be demanding a release clause in the new contract it should have just been a case of take or leave it, If he hadnt of signed that contract with the clause we would now be demanding 25mill(and wed prob recieve closer to that than 16mill).

I thought we had established that Jones' old contract had a release clause of 8mill?

In the past I've been one of Venky's biggest critics, but it baffles me how people can attribute any blame to them over the Jones transfer.

[K-Hod]

Well if his previous deal had a lower price for a release clause then we'd be in an even worse position now and him signing a new contract may have gotten us a lot more cash.

For all we know his new contract may have had a far higher release clause but still one which Jones didn't want to exceed £20m.

I know I'm speculating but its based on as much information as anyone who is criticising Venkys is using. I also feel that nobody benefits from such a clause other than Jones and that is why I think its harsh to blame the ownership for such a clause being inserted when its very likely that Jones would have refused to sign a deal without one.

Agreed. I think that the release clause is clearly too low for a player of Jones' calibre, especially given when Jordan Henderson who has shown considerably less potential than Jones consistently goes for £20 million!

I personally think it's the work of Jones and his agent to get the release clause inserted, this would figure, especially given that he was offered considerably improved terms in a bid to make him stay at the eleventh hour....