[Archived] Other premier league 2011-12

[Audax]

But reports surfaced on Saturday suggesting the former West Ham and Charlton boss (Curbishley) is out of the frame.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11699/7530566/Wolves-manager-hunt-on-course

I peaked in at a Wolves forum and couldn't find the beginning but it sounded like they didn't think Curbs would come.

Curbs must not let ownership/higherups boss him around, that's why he left and sued West Ham (for constructive dismissal) and he won his case. It's about control.

That's why to an extent, the situation with the Rovers is a bit alarming, would a highly qualified manager take such a job?

[Amo]

Try reading the posts again, I am pleased to see that you are speaking on behalf of the MB in informing me that no one cared for the points that I was making, I was having a healthy debate with a few people- you could always try that?

Really? I think most people were less than impressed that you think Steve Kean was qualified for the job regardless of his connection to SEM.

Read the last paragraph again to yourself, you are turning every conversation on threads back to Venkys again, may I suggest you get over them?

No, I made one comment in one thread. You're the one dragging this out. If you had kept your trap shut, we wouldn't be here.

Champ the definition of a troll is clear, there is no need to be obtuse.

I said 'Okay'. It's easier to let you believe what you want to believe.

[chaddyrovers]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11699/7530566/Wolves-manager-hunt-on-course

I peaked in at a Wolves forum and couldn't find the beginning but it sounded like they didn't think Curbs would come.

Curbs must not let ownership/higherups boss him around, that's why he left and sued West Ham (for constructive dismissal) and he won his case. It's about control.

That's why to an extent, the situation with the Rovers is a bit alarming, would a highly qualified manager take such a job?

Do Wolves just want a manager to the end of the season then we review it then???

could be the lack of funds for transfers in summer?

I reckon Wolves will appoint someone like Dave Jones or Walter Smith. that wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[Audax]

He got the players there ok , but couldn;t get them to play ...Or was playing the wrong system , personally I would swap him for our clown this minute ..It will be interesting , lack of talent at Wolves like Rovers but they have more aggression and he could harness that short term ..As it looks like a done deal , will Black follow him down the M6 ?? If he does , that speaks volumes for Kean 4 assistants in a season , that most be some kind of football record ? ?

Maybe I am jumping the gun , just poss that no one will want to be the 4th !!!

This all rings a bell, I think they say Bruce managed Bolton well and managed Sunderland well before they got some money, spent it on players, traded some away and then had problems and some of their supporters really were mean to him as well. Sunderland has had a bit of trouble in getting relegated historically. Like I said, there record was bad but their goal differential wasn't in the double digits like the rest of the clubs in the lower part of the table. They just couldn't win games, that's true. O'Neill has come in and done great but it appears most of the team that is playing so well now were there to begin with, Bruce just couldn't get them going like you are inferring.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I watched the Sunderland V Arsenal game , an object lesson in how an inferior team beats superior opposition. Exemplary pressing game and outstanding workrate from 1 to 11 beats show ponies most days of the week. That and a crap pitch of course. Arsenal ? They don't like it up 'em do they.

[chaddyrovers]

Steve Bruce turn down wolves because they are only offering the job for the remaining 13 games of the season

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2103079/Steve-Bruce-turns-Wolves.html

Curbishley turn down wolves

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Alan-Curbishley-turns-down-Wolves-job-Steve-Bruce-now-the-favourite-article867106.html

[Clitherover]

Steve Bruce turn down wolves because they are only offering the job for the remaining 13 games of the season

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2103079/Steve-Bruce-turns-Wolves.html

Curbishley turn down wolves

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Alan-Curbishley-turns-down-Wolves-job-Steve-Bruce-now-the-favourite-article867106.html

Paul Ince then?

[DE.]

Wonder of the chairman is starting to regret sacking McCarthy?

They'd been in a bad run but there isn't exactly a wealth of candidates out there ready to take on a survival job outside of the transfer window. You know things are bad when Steve Bruce and Alan Curbishley (out of management for 4 years now!) are rejecting you.

On the other hand, the chairman has recently come out and said Wolves should be aiming to finish around the top half, and they shouldn't be fighting relegation battles. He also came in and lambasted the players a couple of weeks back before Mick was sacked. I don't think many managers would want to work for a chairman with both unrealistic expectations and a tendency to undermine the manager's authority by blasting the players himself.

[chaddyrovers]

Paul Ince then?

hope so

[Audax]

Wonder of the chairman is starting to regret sacking McCarthy?

They'd been in a bad run but there isn't exactly a wealth of candidates out there ready to take on a survival job outside of the transfer window. You know things are bad when Steve Bruce and Alan Curbishley (out of management for 4 years now!) are rejecting you.

On the other hand, the chairman has recently come out and said Wolves should be aiming to finish around the top half, and they shouldn't be fighting relegation battles. He also came in and lambasted the players a couple of weeks back before Mick was sacked. I don't think many managers would want to work for a chairman with both unrealistic expectations and a tendency to undermine the manager's authority by blasting the players himself.

Perhaps, the difference solely lies in the thought process of the owners, their understanding of the game and the extent to which they are connected to the club. Steve Morgan could hardly accept the way Wolverhampton Wanderers were playing, let alone accept that the same style of football wasn’t even yielding him positive results. He is a fanatical football fan who understands the game enough to make crucial and harsh decisions. Of course, the down side of being fanatical is that you ignore protocol and burst into the dressing room after a defeat. Another one is that you may make knee-jerk decisions that could ultimately lead to the downfall of the club.

However, the Venky’s popping up in the dressing room – or well, anywhere around Ewood Park – is highly improbable. The Venky’s have been using Blackburn Rovers as an advertising vehicle for their own firm. After failing to live up to their promises, they have barely been active in the football matters at the club, let alone be pro-active.

http://www.thehardtackle.com/2012/mccarthy-wolves-kean-blackburn-which-ideology-will-pay-off/

But I think the passion is still good, undermining the manager is bad. The Wolves actually won their next match after Morgan went in the locker room. All things equal, the top boss has rights in how his club is being run though I'm not sure if it was fair to MM.

Whomever the Wolves hire, there won't be much time now before they play Newcastle.

[rovers11]

McDermott is apparently in talks with Wolves regarding the managers job. Very poor appointment if it happens. Good for us though. He'll take them down. Don't think Wolves fans will be happy.

[martonrover]

McDermott is apparently in talks with Wolves regarding the managers job. Very poor appointment if it happens. Good for us though. He'll take them down. Don't think Wolves fans will be happy.

I hope you're right but I would take him over Bruce myself. It's a gamble though for sure.

[LeChuck]

Surely McDermott would be better staying at Reading? They've got a rich Russian just about the buy the club and they are third in the league.

[Sparky Marky]

Might be a dodgy russian.

[G Somerset Rover]

Surely McDermott would be better staying at Reading? They've got a rich Russian just about the buy the club and they are third in the league.

My boss is very well connected at Reading and he thinks due to those reasons you've mentioned above that he won't go. Then again, he's been telling me what a signing Roberts has been .

[DE.]

My boss is very well connected at Reading and he thinks due to those reasons you've mentioned above that he won't go. Then again, he's been telling me what a signing Roberts has been .

He's done very well for them so far tbf.

[thenodrog]

He could well be the best English right winger around.

One of the best end products I've ever seen.. It's a tragedy what happened to the lad.

(Although it's 100% his own fault)

Hardly a tragedy RD. Bentleys situation is simply down to being ill advised and just plain dumb. More of a tragedy to me was Matt Jansen coming off that scooter in Rome and bumping his head although that too was 100% his own fault.

The one thing that had always threatened to hold him back was his lack of pace. That was excusable whilst his delivery was superb. To maintain that standard was always going to be an incredibly tough task though, and once that slipped a little his weaknesses became exposed.

Bentley was equally as good in the hole behind a striker where pace isn't as important as it is on the wing. It's what I saw as his future position.

[thenodrog]

Spurs reject XI in the last four years only.

--------------------------------------Gomes(8m)

-----Hutton(10m)-----Corluka(8m)------Bassong(8m)---Kaboul (8m)

Bentley (15m)----Palacios (12m)------KP Boatang(4.5m)----Dos Santos (5m)

--------------------Pavlychenko (15m)---Bent(16.5)m)

Subs:- Woodgate 8m, Pascal Chimbonda(4.5m), Kranjaer 2.5m, Gilberto 2m, Gunter 3m

TOTAL:- £130 million

I really admire Spurs economy…..

While you can say some of these players were sold on, or will be sold on, for substantial amounts the overall loss must be huge.

You can add Pienarr to that list imo.

[Audax]

It seems there is a new face the Wolves are looking at everyday, watch me say this and someone say they hired McDermott but I think this search will go on for a few days and perhaps as said in the McCarthy vs. Kean thread, one of the low profile standbys will come in and be caretaker. Nothing is happening and perhaps the Wolves are going to try to clamp down on newsleaks, in fact, I bet that is happening now. We may not know about some candidates.

[LeChuck]

It's getting embarrassing for Wolves now!

Wolves fail in new attempt to lure Curbishley

So after being turned down by Poyet and McDermott, they've gone back to Curbishley and been turned down again.

If they fail to land one of those three then it's going to be very tricky to appoint anyone of note. It would be an awkward interview if they were to turn to someone like Bruce and try to say they think he's the man for the job...after desperately trying to appoint three different men before him. I can't see many taking a job with that vote of confidence.

[Mattyblue]

Give it to that Terry Connor till May.

[DE.]

It's getting embarrassing for Wolves now!

Wolves fail in new attempt to lure Curbishley

So after being turned down by Poyet and McDermott, they've gone back to Curbishley and been turned down again.

If they fail to land one of those three then it's going to be very tricky to appoint anyone of note. It would be an awkward interview if they were to turn to someone like Bruce and try to say they think he's the man for the job...after desperately trying to appoint three different men before him. I can't see many taking a job with that vote of confidence.

Apparently they're only offering a contract til the end of the season. Few serious managers are going to accept that, Bruce included.

[greco]

hopefully the mess wolves are in, is going to continue

sometimes i wonder why its always the same managerial names being put forward, i know they might have a bit better knowledge about the league and culture, but there are loads of quality managers in other european leagues, who might be persuaded by a get-out-clause if relegated, plus a sruvival bonus.

[rovers11]

hopefully the mess wolves are in, is going to continue

sometimes i wonder why its always the same managerial names being put forward, i know they might have a bit better knowledge about the league and culture, but there are loads of quality managers in other european leagues, who might be persuaded by a get-out-clause if relegated, plus a sruvival bonus.

Looks like it will continue. McDermott signs new contract at Reading, they can't afford Poyet, Curbishley has turned them down twice, Warnock joins Leeds, fans don't want Bruce. I thought this at the time and I still think it, they should have stuck with McCarthy.

[LeChuck]

hopefully the mess wolves are in, is going to continue

sometimes i wonder why its always the same managerial names being put forward, i know they might have a bit better knowledge about the league and culture, but there are loads of quality managers in other european leagues, who might be persuaded by a get-out-clause if relegated, plus a sruvival bonus.

The overall record of unproven PL managers coming into the league is very ropey - it's a much bigger risk than taking someone who has a proven record of getting results in this division. Case in point: who would have thought Harry Redknapp could do a far better job at Spurs then Juande Ramos in 2007?

Wolves are not in a position to take such a risk. In the same way that we appointed a "safe pair of hands" in Allardyce when we needed rescuing, Wolves need to go for PL experience at this time.

Clubs who aren't in danger of relegation are more able to take this risk.