Summer 2011 Transfer Window Part Two

[artemorethanlabore]

Perhaps a decent manager may help - not a yes man like Steve Kean. Rumours that Hoillet will not sign a new contract and Kean upsetting Venkys will not help calm fans fears!

You mean the rumours you just started?

[Brainfreeze]

Ok people need to calm down a little. There is nothing to suggest that the summer spending plans are in dissatray, far from it.

What has happened is that things have changed (sorry to be vague) and that has caused frustration, hopefully these things can be resolved, with the attitude that they had last week returning and we can move on and sign some players. At the moment no real damage has been done as the likes of Cisse and Piatti are very much available.

All that is really required is some decisiveness and for someone to talk charge of the situation.

Reading between the lines it sounds like Steve Kean isn't having a say in the transfers...but perhaps another manager is? Is this what has 'changed' I wonder?

Hmmmmm...speculative I know, but just wondering if anyone else is thinking the same way.

[ABBEY]

EVERYONE needs to chill the f out!

Too many take the things typed on here as gospel.the fact is we all know nowt about how the chicken people are going to play this....the nickoteens needs to stop pulling their puds and the the like of Phil need to put up or stfu!

[Black Burn]

Perhaps a decent manager may help - not a yes man like Steve Kean. Rumours that Hoillet will not sign a new contract and Kean upsetting Venkys will not help calm fans fears!

Rumors that are unsubstantiated. Spreading such rumors will not help calm fans' fears either.

Right now there are dozens of rumors flying around about who's getting transferred to Blackburn, who's getting transferred out of Blackburn, how it is Venkys's fault the transfers are not happening, but really, they are all just rumors. Not truth. The problem is people are stating rumors as fact and then thrashing Venkys and Kean with them. For example, the rumor that Phil Jones was unhappy with Kean, and people pounce on that to beat Steve Kean with a stick because of their prejudice that they want him out of the club. But is it true? Or is it some rumor some disgruntled fan with an agenda against Kean made up and spread around so that he can rally others to their cause?

I'm not saying distrust rumors completely - without fire there can be no smoke. But remember that they are RUMORS, take them with a pinch of salt and don't state them as fact to use them as weapons to attack the current regime is. You wouldn't like it if there's a vicious rumor floating around your workplace about you being a stalker/pervert or something and your colleagues begin hitting you with a stick using the rumors.

[BangkokRover]

What is "this" exactly?

I am dying to know.

For the fact that we have signed no one and why the club is internally a mess.

[rebelmswar]

he responded and explained it the best he could without giving away more than he can.

he could have just gone "your all wrong - guess again" and then chuckled to himself after causing 10 pages of mass hysteria and stupid rumours.

He said nothing about the subject and just threw the " We will still buy players" line at you, stating that the best person to fix whatever mess we are in is now at City and you are happy with that?

Phillip take note, just say we will buy someone and you wont get any stick.

You all have to ask yourselves who started these new rumours and challenge them instead of whipping people who don't dangle tidbits of information at you like a dog from the masters table.

and why the club is internally a mess.

How do you know this and who told you?

[RovertheHill]

This time we know for sure that at the time of writing, the wheels have well and truly come off at Rovers.

You're starting to sound like that American minister fellow that keeps predicting the end of the world I guess sooner or later it'll come true

The problem with this situation is expectation. It's boom and bust. Expectations boom with fancy signings, huge fees and players we can but dream of, and that makes the down so much worse.

Be a bit more cynical like me - you don't get quite the same levels of excitement, but you certainly don't get the depths of despair either. What will be, will be

[callumrovers]

Not the most reliable source...

http://www.footballgossip.org.uk/index.php/2011/06/28/blackburn-rovers-transfer-news-and-rumours-tuesday-28-june/

Says we are going to up our bid to 4 million after having a 2 million bid rejected for Robbie Keane

[mark1875]

He said nothing about the subject and just threw the " We will still buy players" line at you, stating that the best person to fix whatever mess we are in is now at City and you are happy with that?

Phillip take note, just say we will buy someone and you wont get any stick.

You all have to ask yourselves who started these new rumours and challenge them instead of whipping people who don't dangle tidbits of information at you like a dog from the masters table.

kamy's comments this morning got everybody into overdrive, rumours flew about,

"All they want is transfer speculation in the media and the words about their business and venkys mentioned, for their own self promotion."

"Just reading between the lines alot and guessing, it seems one or more of nicko and kamys sources have been fired by the club in the last few days".

he has come on and told us we are barking up the wrong tree. told us what he can and tried to get us calm down and stop speculating

Phillip comes on with his

"This time we know for sure that at the time of writing, the wheels have well and truly come off at Rovers."

again people go into overdrive, pages and pages of rumours and theories which are unfounded appear. Phillip's response? "Wrong, keep guessing" NO NO don't keep guessing with more unfounded speculation about moles being sacked, relationships breaking down and backroom staff being fired

like i said before, either put up what you know, or explain you cant go into it so close the matter. whats the point in telling people to keep guessing ffs

[Black Burn]

So what power does Steve Kean have over potential signings? Power of veto? Or does a majority verdict suffice?

I could be horribly mistaken, but from what I have read so far, I infer that the process goes like this:

Steve Kean makes a list of potential transfer targets, each with their price, wages, costs, etc.

He submits the list to the owners, or the committee. If the list is within the budget the Venkys granted, the committee then approves or disapproves of the list, depending on whether they find the player too expensive or whether they want to risk a few million pounds on a player from another league who hasn't proven themselves in the Premiership.

They discuss, debate, argue among themselves for days, with no one standing up to take charge and making the overall decision, or maybe have some ambiguous discussion where no one in the committee gives a concrete yes or no to approve of the list - which is why Kamy and Alan Nixon are frustrated with the committee right now and wanting someone to take charge and make the final, overall decision on whether they approve the targets on Kean's list.

In the future, someone finally rubber-stamps APPROVED on Kean's list, or at least on several of Kean's targets, and Kean finally has the approval to talk to the agents, clubs about contracts and bid for those players.

That, in my humble opinion, could be how the decision-making process is going right now. Do NOT take my opinion as gospel though. I could be horribly mistaken.

[Ralfinho]

I think Im not going to post anything for a while related to transfers UNTIL we have actually signed someone. There are a lot of people bored at work reading through page after page and because we have not signed anyone they start to speculate about the workings within the club etc etc and cause mass hysteria.

I think everyone should try and do the same rather than slagging each other off, the club, the manager, Nicko or anyone for that matter!!!

[A cup of beans]

kamy's comments this morning got everybody into overdrive, rumours flew about,

"All they want is transfer speculation in the media and the words about their business and venkys mentioned, for their own self promotion."

"Just reading between the lines alot and guessing, it seems one or more of nicko and kamys sources have been fired by the club in the last few days".

he has come on and told us we are barking up the wrong tree. told us what he can and tried to get us calm down and stop speculating

Phillip comes on with his

"This time we know for sure that at the time of writing, the wheels have well and truly come off at Rovers."

again people go into overdrive, pages and pages of rumours and theories which are unfounded appear. Phillip's response? "Wrong, keep guessing" NO NO don't keep guessing with more unfounded speculation about moles being sacked, relationships breaking down and backroom staff being fired

like i said before, either put up what you know, or explain you cant go into it so close the matter. whats the point in telling people to keep guessing ffs

here.. here!

[howzat]

this is how i see it. Kean walks in to kentaro and hands in hes list of targets they assure him that they will get to work right away then as soon as he walks out the office door kentaro screw keans list up and chuck it in the bin. Then they pull there own list out and start work on that.

[callumrovers]

I could be horribly mistaken, but from what I have read so far, I infer that the process goes like this:

Steve Kean makes a list of potential transfer targets, each with their price, wages, costs, etc.

He submits the list to the owners, or the committee. If the list is within the budget the Venkys granted, the committee then approves or disapproves of the list, depending on whether they find the player too expensive or whether they want to risk a few million pounds on a player from another league who hasn't proven themselves in the Premiership.

They discuss, debate, argue among themselves for days, with no one standing up to take charge and making the overall decision, or maybe have some ambiguous discussion where no one in the committee gives a concrete yes or no to approve of the list - which is why Kamy and Alan Nixon are frustrated with the committee right now and wanting someone to take charge and make the final, overall decision on whether they approve the targets on Kean's list.

In the future, someone finally rubber-stamps APPROVED on Kean's list, or at least on several of Kean's targets, and Kean finally has the approval to talk to the agents, clubs about contracts and bid for those players.

That, in my humble opinion, could be how the decision-making process is going right now. Do NOT take my opinion as gospel though. I could be horribly mistaken.

Good post!

Deffinatley agree, i think this is exsactly what is going on

[Neal]

Don't know if this helps but... Interview with new chief exec Paul Hunt. See the transfers question.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/9107609.Question_and_answer_session_with_Blackburn_Rovers__new_chief_executive/?ref=rss

[A cup of beans]

Good post!

Deffinatley agree, i think this is exsactly what is going on

he already said.. "dont take his opinion as gospel" and you just have! GUESSING GAMES ACHIEVE NOTHING OTHER THEN SENDING SOME PEOPLE INTO A FRENZY!

[den]

I could be horribly mistaken, but from what I have read so far, I infer that the process goes like this:

Steve Kean makes a list of potential transfer targets, each with their price, wages, costs, etc.

He submits the list to the owners, or the committee. If the list is within the budget the Venkys granted, the committee then approves or disapproves of the list, depending on whether they find the player too expensive or whether they want to risk a few million pounds on a player from another league who hasn't proven themselves in the Premiership.

They discuss, debate, argue among themselves for days, with no one standing up to take charge and making the overall decision, or maybe have some ambiguous discussion where no one in the committee gives a concrete yes or no to approve of the list - which is why Kamy and Alan Nixon are frustrated with the committee right now and wanting someone to take charge and make the final, overall decision on whether they approve the targets on Kean's list.

In the future, someone finally rubber-stamps APPROVED on Kean's list, or at least on several of Kean's targets, and Kean finally has the approval to talk to the agents, clubs about contracts and bid for those players.

That, in my humble opinion, could be how the decision-making process is going right now. Do NOT take my opinion as gospel though. I could be horribly mistaken.

Well, rovers, much like most, if not all the other clubs, used to have a very complicated system that worked like this.

The owners gave the CEO an annual budget. This would be a sum available for transfers, alongside a maximum figure for wages.

The manager, with this in mind would give the CEO a list of players he would like.

The CEO went and got the players.

Now, it's probably much simpler.

The owners don't give CEO a budget. Because we don't have a CEO.

The manager gives Venky's a list of players.

Bilaj, Venketash and Mrs D, Huber, JA and Kentaro take a look at the list, then decide who they want to sign instead.

Much easier.

[dubdubdub]

They kept is in the PL despite their decision making. Looking at their efforts alone, and not tacking on the efforts of the [sacked] previous manager, Venkys has been relegation form. Not confidence worthy.

They need to make some signings which do inspire confidence. So far, nothing. Hopefully that will change in the near future.

I can't help but ignore the relegation form part. Not because I disagree with you...facts are facts. Under Allardyce though it seems like we used up ALL of our luck in the first half of the season (greedy man). He won as many points as Kean lost through luck. Based purely on football played and how I saw the team progress towards the end of the season, I'm far happier to have Kean spending the money than Allardyce. At least then it's not simply spent on height or physical attributes.

I'm sure they will make some signings which inspire confidence. I was impressed with the way they handled the Phil Jones saga. Before anyone complains that they don't care, they managed to squeezy a potential (and you would imagine certain) £4 million extra out of United. Doesn't happen often and shows they're comitted.

I as much as the next person hope they push on. Lets just wait and see if they do before condemning them to the fiery abyss.

[Myles Anderson]

Has Warner signed yet, just got his name put on the back of my shirt so hope he does.

[otto man]

Ok people need to calm down a little. There is nothing to suggest that the summer spending plans are in dissatray, far from it.

What has happened is that things have changed (sorry to be vague) and that has caused frustration, hopefully these things can be resolved, with the attitude that they had last week returning and we can move on and sign some players. At the moment no real damage has been done as the likes of Cisse and Piatti are very much available.

All that is really required is some decisiveness and for someone to talk charge of the situation.

So not, the mad internal mess that the "usual suspects" were immediately crowing about? The sky's not falling, we haven't signed a 37 yr old 3rd rate keeper as no 2 to Robbo, we do really have a substantial budget and we aren't bringing in Sparky to replace Keano? Oh dear! what will the Samettes and anti Venky brigade do now?

[sjsbrfc]

Can people please stop quoting Philip. I've got the doom merchant on ignore and don't wish to read the @#/? he spouts. Thank you

[LeChuck]

I could be horribly mistaken, but from what I have read so far, I infer that the process goes like this:

Steve Kean makes a list of potential transfer targets, each with their price, wages, costs, etc.

He submits the list to the owners, or the committee. If the list is within the budget the Venkys granted, the committee then approves or disapproves of the list, depending on whether they find the player too expensive or whether they want to risk a few million pounds on a player from another league who hasn't proven themselves in the Premiership.

They discuss, debate, argue among themselves for days, with no one standing up to take charge and making the overall decision, or maybe have some ambiguous discussion where no one in the committee gives a concrete yes or no to approve of the list - which is why Kamy and Alan Nixon are frustrated with the committee right now and wanting someone to take charge and make the final, overall decision on whether they approve the targets on Kean's list.

In the future, someone finally rubber-stamps APPROVED on Kean's list, or at least on several of Kean's targets, and Kean finally has the approval to talk to the agents, clubs about contracts and bid for those players.

That, in my humble opinion, could be how the decision-making process is going right now. Do NOT take my opinion as gospel though. I could be horribly mistaken.

Kentaro/SEM will play a huge role.

I think they'll come before Kean in the running order, I can't find any reference to them in there.

[Speedie Dived]

I could be horribly mistaken, but from what I have read so far, I infer that the process goes like this:

Steve Kean makes a list of potential transfer targets, each with their price, wages, costs, etc.

He submits the list to the owners, or the committee. If the list is within the budget the Venkys granted, the committee then approves or disapproves of the list, depending on whether they find the player too expensive or whether they want to risk a few million pounds on a player from another league who hasn't proven themselves in the Premiership.

They discuss, debate, argue among themselves for days, with no one standing up to take charge and making the overall decision, or maybe have some ambiguous discussion where no one in the committee gives a concrete yes or no to approve of the list - which is why Kamy and Alan Nixon are frustrated with the committee right now and wanting someone to take charge and make the final, overall decision on whether they approve the targets on Kean's list.

In the future, someone finally rubber-stamps APPROVED on Kean's list, or at least on several of Kean's targets, and Kean finally has the approval to talk to the agents, clubs about contracts and bid for those players.

That, in my humble opinion, could be how the decision-making process is going right now. Do NOT take my opinion as gospel though. I could be horribly mistaken.

I don't think Keen will go to Venkys with a list of players, i think he will have them presented to him

[Mattyblue]

I can't help but ignore the relegation form part. Not because I disagree with you...facts are facts. Under Allardyce though it seems like we used up ALL of our luck in the first half of the season (greedy man). He won as many points as Kean lost through luck.

What a load of nonsense. You don't achieve or not achieve over half a season through 'luck'.

The lengths people will go to to discredit Allardyce never ceases to amaze.

[den]

Kentaro/SEM will play a huge role.

I think they'll come before Kean in the running order, I can't find any reference to them in there.

I imagine Kean will give a list to the owners [maybe drawn from advice from JA, maybe not] and have little further input. He almost certainly wont get involved with Fees or wages. Nor do I think he will talk to the agents at this stage, clubs about contracts or bid for those players. As you say LeC, others will do that work.