Summer 2011 Transfer Window Part Two

[ABBEY]

ANYone who asks I feel sorry for not just you black burn.

[Black Burn]

So what's up with Samba so far? I've been seeing conflicting reports about him. Some said Arsenal has tabled a bid for him, others said they haven't even approached him so far this summer.

[pedebumchin]

So what's up with Samba so far? I've been seeing conflicting reports about him. Some said Arsenal has tabled a bid for him, others said they haven't even approached him so far this summer.

General consensus from people in the know is that they are very interested but haven't made an offer yet. I think they will probably have Cahill as 1st choice signing and Samba as 2nd, only time will tell.

I hope we hold on to him though, I suspect this one will drag out until August giving Samba time to see if our signings will match his ambition. I believe if he sees a couple of big names coming through the door he might be tempted to stay.

[Roverite28]

Doesn't Phil Jones instantly disprove that remark?

The club and manager does play a part in a players choice of who he signs for.

I meant it in a relitive context. If two clubs are on the same level, they one who offers the most money will usually see the player join them. I highly doubt many people in world football know who tony pulis are, or alan pardew, but does that stop them signing players?

[67splitscreen]

A player may not know a certain manager or the reverse in some instances but you can bet your bottom dollar if the club have money to spend then the agent will know either.

[den]

I meant it in a relitive context. If two clubs are on the same level, they one who offers the most money will usually see the player join them.

You'll never find two clubs on the same level though. Some players will simply go for the cash, while some will take all kind of things into consideration. Whick makes this following remark wrong, doesn't it?

And also, i hate this talk of 'who can steve kean attract etc etc', it makes no difference whatsoever, its all about money. If we offer more we will get the player, simple as that.

[47er]

So Phil Jones plays centre back when Nelsen & Samba are both fit???

Absolutely---he would have.

You're saying Ince pulled of 'coups' in the transfer market.......?? Really...???

Kean's had one window. In that he pulled out J.Jones - a success, Rochina - a success, Formica - unproven and Santa - a flop. So on that basis you have decided that he cannot sign a decent player? Get a grip. I know you want this all to fall apart and Im sure the Rao's were sat in all the wrong positions in many of our home league games last season but please, wait until things actually start happening before you start judging people. Anyway, lets face it, your track record in that department is hardly glittering....

On what basis is Rochina a success?

[Roverite28]

You'll never find two clubs on the same level though. Some players will simply go for the cash, while some will take all kind of things into consideration. Whick makes this following remark wrong, doesn't it?

Not really. If us and Wolves but a bid in for a player, who will he go to? Where the money is.

And like i say, a managers reputation only really comes into play at the higher end of the market. I doubt many players dreamed of playing for fergie in the early days on his tenure (yes united maybe, but not specifically for him).

[bennyboyt11]

Like someone else said, there's more to a players choice of clubs than just money. There's local language, the climate, the league the club's in, family ties, personal ambitions etc.

[den]

And like i say, a managers reputation only really comes into play at the higher end of the market. I doubt many players dreamed of playing for fergie in the early days on his tenure (yes united maybe, but not specifically for him).

Without thinking too hard, Savage and Bellamy came because of Mark Hughes.

[Roverite28]

Which without going around in circles is the point im getting at. Mark Hughes played for Manchester United, Chelsea, Bayern Munich, Barcelona. He played for and managed the national team, he is a draw for players. Same with King Kenny at Liverpool, they are big draws for players.

However there an awful lot of sides which have managers who arnt internationally recognised. How many young French players know Tony Pulis? How many know Pardew, McCarthy, Martinez etc. Do you think Marcos Senna has always dremt of playing for Swansea or that he was a massive fan of Brenden Rodgers?

We havent got a big name manager, but a lot of other clubs havent either. The main draw to our club is offering more money than what the other teams around our level do.

Outside the top establised successful managers, its very rare a players goes to a club because they have always dreamt of playing for that manager. They club has no doubt offered the player the best contract.

[Black Burn]

On what basis is Rochina a success?

He was a massive success for the reserves - we won the B Group Champion because of him, if I remember correctly, until he dislocated his shoulder. I would say he is a success, unless you want to be really narrow about it and classify a success only when the player contributes solely to the first-team sqaud and nothing else. Even then, he has barely played for first-team, so you can't count him as a failure based on that either.

[gumboots]

Without thinking too hard, Savage and Bellamy came because of Mark Hughes.

That's a very specific link to a manager though. Many managers get players who have worked with them before and, although not at club level, both Savage and Bellamy had been managed by Hughes at international level. Despite what people say, the inexperienced manager does not necessarily work against you if you can get players to come and look at your club. According to a senior player, despite all the changes that have happened recently at Rovers it still maintains the family style caring atmosphere that it has been known for in the past, but for a player to experience that he has to be willing to come and look, and that is often where we have problems

[Exiled in Toronto]

Without thinking too hard, Savage and Bellamy came because of Mark Hughes.

There's always been the 'worked with the manager previously' syndrome - Tugay, Friedal with Souey, Diouf - Sam etc. And the King Kenny factor - world class player, love to play under him. Obviously with a newby manager we're not going to get any of those. Beyond that I struggle to believe that greedy players and their agents discriminate much between the rest of the managerial class.

[dubdubdub]

I am posting on the basis of getting feet firmly back on the ground in terms of what our transfer priorities are this summer.

Firstly, we need to have a squad good enough to stay up without a relegation struggle. Somehow we have to replace the two players who were the best on the park for us at the end of last season> Phil Jones and Chris Samba.

That is a huge task.

Whilst I agree that they were crucial to our successes towards the end of last season, I think with a couple of savvy signings we could be a lot stronger.

It's a lot easier to get a good centre back than it is a creative player. They need to have an understanding of the game and have the physical capabilities to match that understanding. They don't need to be a good footballer and so if we were able to bring in a defender (a must if Samba leaves obviously) then personally I feel we wouldn't be much worse off. While New Zealand may not be able to complette a full season he is still one of the best in the business. In Givet we have a solid centre back. If Samba goes i'd like us to bring in another physical precence (although man mountains are hard to come by i've heard Mont Blanc is available).

With the money we'll raise from these two (should Samba go) we should be able to make crucial additions to the squad. A couple of good signings and we have the ability to walk into the top half of the table.

[gumboots]

I would love that SO much. I'll be teaching English in Korea in a few months time and it would be great (on a selfish level) to have the excuse to use Blackburn Rovers related articles as teaching aids.

My son, who posts on here sometimes as ultrablue, is into his 3rd year of teaching in Korea. Loves it! He too uses Rovers stuff and trys to get the kids to think about other clubs than Man Utd

[Hughesy]

Absolutely---he would have.

History says not….im not denying Nelsen is getting older and isn’t as good as he was or that he is a better defender, but the manager/ and previous managers always play Samba/ Nelsen ahead of Jones in Central defence.

[LeChuck]

I would say he is a success, unless you want to be really narrow about it and classify a success only when the player contributes solely to the first-team sqaud and nothing else.

I can't tell if that's a joke or not. I hope so.

Not even Man City would spent £500k on a player to help the reserves win something.

[philip369]

I can't tell if that's a joke or not. I hope so.

Not even Man City would spent £500k on a player to help the reserves win something.

Dunn and Bentley were fantastic at dancing at the Christmas Parties!

[Black Burn]

I can't tell if that's a joke or not. I hope so.

Not even Man City would spent £500k on a player to help the reserves win something.

No, you misunderstood my statement.

He was not brought in to help the reserves win something. But he did. That's about it. So I would consider him a success based on what he did rather than on what he was supposedly brought in here to do.

That's like saying I got hired by a company, but I win some obscure international prize for the design department instead of the adminstrative department. I was brought in to do clerical work, maybe, but to say I was brought in to help the design department win something would be inaccurate. Yet I wouldn't be considered a failure because of my achievement, would I?

[davulsukur]

I think judging Rochina (and Formica) in anyway at this stage is totally pointless. Didn't get too many chances due to a relegation battle, give them a full pre season and see how things go from there.

At this stage i wouldn't say either were a success or a failure

[hawkiiz]

They weren't meant to be going straight into the first team anyway, were they? Thought the plan for Formica was next season to begin with..?

[rebelmswar]

History says not….im not denying Nelsen is getting older and isn’t as good as he was or that he is a better defender, but the manager/ and previous managers always play Samba/ Nelsen ahead of Jones in Central defence.

Do you, in all honesty, believe that we are better off without him?

While it is nice to dream about who we COULD get I myself would much sooner have had him remain here.

I mean, look at the expectations on here now for that money. Numbers like 35 million or 50 million being tossed around like confetti at a wake.

Some people are going to be left hideously disappointed.

[braddock]

Like someone else said, there's more to a players choice of clubs than just money. There's local language, the climate, the league the club's in, family ties, personal ambitions etc.

And for a team like Rovers, possibly if we are willing to offer them a minimum fee release clause.

[pick32]

Easy way to put it would the team benefit more from having 30million to spend and samba, nelsen pairing or 10million and samba and jones at the back. I would say take the money and we will be a better team for it.