Summer 2011 Transfer Window Part Two

[Speedie Dived]

That's what Crewe do.

To be successful in the top league, you must at least try to keep your best players. Selling them as a policy might make sense financially, but wont bring success on the park.

Check out the Udinese model if you have chance, it's basically what they do and they have just made the Champions league.

Sounds promising on Cisse, one thought, could he play with Junior?

[Ralfinho]

Subs-

H.Lloris

E.Garay

S.Sakho

D.Zola

K.Kalstrom

F.Adu

M.Collis

What Do You Think?

Where does Rochina come into this? Or Formica (hoping that he comes good)

[neophox]

If we manage to buy Cissé, could that mean Samba staying.

[brian nelsen]

Check out the Udinese model if you have chance, it's basically what they do and they have just made the Champions league.

Sounds promising on Cisse, one thought, could he play with Junior?

I think so. When you watch some of the YouTube clips, he looks excellent at linking the midfield and attack, lays it off well, then turns and gets into the box. Looks goal hungry. So what we need. Junior and him is a really exciting prospect. Here's hoping it happens.

[True Blue & White]

Cisse interested in Rovers switch

What does it mean by Cisse's "spokesperson", I thought only politicians had them. Does it just mean a 'bloke who knows him quite well'?

Anyway I guess it depends on what his ambitions are, I would suspect fighting perennial relegation wouldn't be it so let's hope he hasn't read too many Chris Samba interviews lately eh? But if he really is Darren Bent with skills (as another poster said earlier) then let's sign him up.

Oh and nice to see BRFCS have gone with the more realistic £26m budget figure than nicko's £50m fantasy war chest.

[BuckyRover]

That's what Crewe do.

To be successful in the top league, you must at least try to keep your best players. Selling them as a policy might make sense financially, but wont bring success on the park.

We don't have a choice.

Make the best of a bad situation. As we get better, make more money, buy better players, good players will be less likely to leave.

If you have a better business model, other than don't sell people and force them to stay (discouraging others from joining) then please let us know.

[daveoftherovers]

I think so. When you watch some of the YouTube clips, he looks excellent at linking the midfield and attack, lays it off well, then turns and gets into the box. Looks goal hungry. So what we need. Junior and him is a really exciting prospect. Here's hoping it happens.

And, perhaps more importantly, looks like he has the ability to STAY ONSIDE!!!

I'm happy that we are bidding for this type of player.

[neophox]

According to reports Freiburg has accepted a record bid from Rovers for Cissé and they will now discuss personal terms.

The war chest of £50m would be if Samba is sold, Rovers want around £20m for him.

Nicko, can you confirm a bid is placed and accepted?

[Paul Mellelieu]

According to reports Freiburg has accepted a record bid from Rovers for Cissé and they will now discuss personal terms.

The war chest of £50m would be if Samba is sold, Rovers want around £20m for him.

Nicko, can you confirm a bid is placed and accepted?

Which 'reports"?

[True Blue & White]

According to reports Freiburg has accepted a record bid from Rovers for Cissé and they will now discuss personal terms.

The war chest of £50m would be if Samba is sold, Rovers want around £20m for him.

Is that your version of "Sky Sports understands"? , Link please...

I agree on the second comment, that is the only way I can see us getting anywhere near the £50m mark in terms of budget but nicko is adamant, nay he is 'sticking his neck out', that we will spend 45-50 regardless of whether we sell Samba or not.

I'd kind of like to see P.Jones replaced first to be honest although can't deny we are in desperate need for a striker.

[Rainmaker]

I can see us getting anywhere near the £50m mark in terms of budget but nicko is adamant, nay he is 'sticking his neck out', that we will spend 45-50 regardless of whether we sell Samba or not.

No, he's not.

He's saying that that is what we need to spend to get the 6 targets.

[Iceman]

Oh and nice to see BRFCS have gone with the more realistic £26m budget figure than nicko's £50m fantasy war chest.

16mill for Jones, probably 10mill from the owners so 26mill fair enough. Samba to Arsenal for around 12 to 15mill..so aroun 40 mill, with maybe a few more sales like Kalinic.. so Nicko could be right, whether we spend all of it, thats up to Kean etc

[den]

Check out the Udinese model if you have chance, it's basically what they do and they have just made the Champions league.

I've been checking out the Blackburn Rovers model for 50 years and most of those were in the second and third divisions.

We don't have a choice.

Maybe we don't have a choice, but you were putting it down as a business model for success.

[Mattyblue]

I've been checking out the Blackburn Rovers model for 50 years and most of those were in the second and third divisions.

Maybe we don't have a choice, but you were putting it down as a business model for success.

Thinking about it Denzil, between 1961 and 2011 we have spent almost half those years in the top flight.

Who would have thought that would have been be possible in 1990!

[True Blue & White]

No, he's not.

He's saying that that is what we need to spend to get the 6 targets.

People with short memories....

Got to say this is the best window for some time. Where it all ends up, nobody knows. But there are some goings on.

Just as an update - and for a check list you can cut out and keep...I think this is the check list that is being filled.

STRIKER - a massive one if possible...probably a record fee...Vucinic top of that lost until he goes elsewhere...some alternatives being looked into...but a lot of elite clubs want this calibre of target.

YOUNG STRIKER - a few 'emerging' players being studied...after all you need more than one class attacker.

LEFT WINGER - definitely on the wish list...got a name but [see above] there are others after him.

CENTRE HALF - Miranda still a possible...if not it would be a big-money deal and the signs are that the big dough is being saved for the main striker.

MIDFIELD - still no second confirmation on the Prem player I like...starting to think he is one of several being researched right now...we shall see...there could yet be TWO midfielders depending on exits.

RIGHT BACK - a surprise to me, but there is a target...and it will hopefully be out in the morning.

If that's not enough for you, then I don't know what is.

I think there will be SIX in at least and I will predict here and now that around £45 to £50 million will be spent.

Quite happy to stick my neck out on that after the vibes picked up over the past 48 hours.

He's put one defender on that list, and a free one at that, so having no money in his prediction to buy two defenders (because we already have P.Jones to replace) implies to me that this is before we sell Samba. In a later post he then says IF we sell Samba it will be for loads implying it is separate to this prediction.

16mill for Jones, probably 10mill from the owners so 26mill fair enough. Samba to Arsenal for around 12 to 15mill..so aroun 40 mill, with maybe a few more sales like Kalinic.. so Nicko could be right, whether we spend all of it, thats up to Kean etc

What worries me is this £10m from the owners which is made up of this window's money and January's. If we sell Samba and have around 40m-50m I would rather we spent 35m-45m and kept £5m for January. We'd still have a 'crazy' summer, a decent kitty and money to re-enforce a smidge in January.

Bringing forward future transfer kittys sound like short sightedness to me, especially when we have a decent amount of money anyway. Another reason is if Kean gets the boot before January, what manager will want to come knowing they have zero to spend in the upcoming window?

[Majiball]

I love all this let's follow there model.

The first Q should be how do we do when we sign S.A. players? The only one to work out was RSC, season 1 after 8 odd years living in Germany.

Scouting, Acclimatisation, whichever or both, we don't do well in this aspect.

It's all fine saying do what they do and so on, but alas it's only good if we have everything solidly in place at the club already. Not being funny but since Hughes walked most of our signings have not been the best, which lends me to believe we have issues in these area's that need addressing way before any model is followed.

[RovertheHill]

I've been checking out the Blackburn Rovers model for 50 years and most of those were in the second and third divisions.

Maybe we don't have a choice, but you were putting it down as a business model for success.

I suppose it depends what you define as success. On the one hand it's a model that has kept us in the top flight for the last 10 years with some relative success. On the other I have yet to see ANY of our previous managers spend the money generated particularly well so I am in general agreement that keeping our best players is most important. If they want to leave then I don't believe there is much that a club can do though. And you only have to look at the likes of Sunderland, who have spent obscene amounts of money in the last few years and are no better than we are, to know that having a large budget does not necessarily equal success.

Still, like I've said before, it's nice to at least be at the table rather than feeding on scraps, so I'm happy to wait and see what happens before judging

[True Blue & White]

If we're gonna follow anyone's model it should be Porto's. Every year they seem to create superstars and sell them for tens of millions but still win the league the next year. Imagine someone giving us £12m for Steve Kean!!!!

[den]

Thinking about it Denzil, between 1961 and 2011 we have spent almost half those years in the top flight.

Who would have thought that would have been be possible in 1990!

D'ya know Matthaius, I would never have guessed that. Half of all my time spent watching Rovers in the top division, well my gob is well smacked.

[Majiball]

If we're gonna follow anyone's model it should be Porto's. Every year they seem to create superstars and sell them for tens of millions but still win the league the next year. Imagine someone giving us £12m for Steve Kean!!!!

I wouldn't argue and have suggested it more than once, but there greatest weapon is the cultural similarities between them and South America. Just look at United, how have they done with there S.A signings? They even now have a Brazilian team, feeding them and sign them to United as young as possible after Forlan.

[RibbleValleyRover]

I love all this let's follow there model.

The first Q should be how do we do when we sign S.A. players? The only one to work out was RSC, season 1 after 8 odd years living in Germany.

Scouting, Acclimatisation, whichever or both, we don't do well in this aspect.

It's all fine saying do what they do and so on, but alas it's only good if we have everything solidly in place at the club already. Not being funny but since Hughes walked most of our signings have not been the best, which lends me to believe we have issues in these area's that need addressing way before any model is followed.

Tim Vickery (South American football expert- contributes to the BBC and knows his stuff) often talks about how difficult it is for young South American players to make the move and adapt to playing in Europe. There is the odd success but there is far more failures and a lot of it isn't down to just football but there are cultural reasons as well.

There is a lot of talent in South America, if we can find a way of making it work e.g. by setting up support systems to help them adapt to the change of lifestyle and help them integrate then it could work. Would Rovers or Venky's be prepared to set up something like this?

[Speedie Dived]

I love all this let's follow there model.

The first Q should be how do we do when we sign S.A. players? The only one to work out was RSC, season 1 after 8 odd years living in Germany.

Scouting, Acclimatisation, whichever or both, we don't do well in this aspect.

It's all fine saying do what they do and so on, but alas it's only good if we have everything solidly in place at the club already. Not being funny but since Hughes walked most of our signings have not been the best, which lends me to believe we have issues in these area's that need addressing way before any model is followed.

Can't be done over night but surely it's better to have a structure/plan in place then flying by the seat of your pants? It does appear that we are going down the young south american route (and Rochina) which makes a nice change

[Kamy100]

I have been talking to Venky's PR this morning. Have been told that there is a "substancial" transfer budget but not £50 million yet, it may rise to that if players are sold. I asked whether this was being financed by any form of debt and was told that it wasn't (that is excellent news).

Cisse - as of this morning (2 hours ago) no official bid had gone in, his representative told me that there was interest from Rovers but until a bid is lodged and accepted this cannot move forward. Other Premier League clubs are also interested but are the willing to pay upto £12 million for him? The player wants to play in the Premier League but Rovers will need to convince him that they can match his ambitions. I don't know much about the player but it seems that he is very highly rated.

[Ralfinho]

I have been talking to Venky's PR this morning. Have been told that there is a "substancial" transfer budget but not £50 million yet, it may rise to that if players are sold. I asked whether this was being financed by any form of debt and was told that it wasn't (that is excellent news).

Cisse - as of this morning (2 hours ago) no official bid had gone in, his representative told me that there was interest from Rovers but until a bid is lodged and accepted this cannot move forward. Other Premier League clubs are also interested but are the willing to pay upto £12 million for him? The player wants to play in the Premier League but Rovers will need to convince him that they can match his ambitions. I don't know much about the player but it seems that he is very highly rated.

Good news about not being debt!!! I just hope Rovers can pull this one off as Im very excited about the prospect of Cisse pulling on a Rovers shirt

[Majiball]

On the other I have yet to see ANY of our previous managers spend the money generated particularly well so I am in general agreement that keeping our best players is most important.

And as the Phil Jones saga shows Rovers are weak behind the scenes and lesser for removing experienced men.

We even sit here right now awaiting news on Robbo's life contract, Hoillets new deal (just delayed to focus on playing), waiting.

I would ask why are they waiting to sign? If I as a player had 100% faith in my management team & the club to fulfil their goals, then that for me would be a seriously tempting offer and I've had 9 months to work on them signing (persuasion). And yet we see our best and brightest either leaving or demanding (again Chris????, someone slap him), and no new contracts signed. They too most have had complete faith in the management & club, even if they are only waiting to see who signs, well that in it's self implies doubt in both the management and club's ambitions.