Non-Rovers Transfers

[Speedie Dived]

Yeah he's a very good manager.

But sacking him at Arsenal has to be done for the reasons mentioned above.

If he won't change then he has to go.. they're not gonna win trophies his way so either his way changes or they get someone else in.

Not saying he's a rubbish manager or anything.. He's clearly not.

In a way Arsenal fans are probably as frustrated as we are this summer. Not for a second comparing us to them, but a one eyed dog could see what Arsenal need. A 5ft 6 right winger is not it.

Although, that signing to me says Walcott is on borrowed time. Lack of natural ability has let him down, he cannot cross his legs that boy. If i was Wenger i would ship out Cesc and Nasri, they have missed the chance to get Mata on the cheap but go get him anyway and a ruddy centre half. One of the best managers of my lifetime, but his rep is being tainted. I think he is holding out for the fair play rules, and it's backfiring.

Agreed, the worst thing is, he completely dismantled what was a winning formula he had with 'the invincibles' and turned his team into a bunch of soft lads who take the moral high ground on how to play the game and how to tackle, whilst being dirtier than some of the teams they criticised!

He has been unlucky in that RVP is injured a hell of a lot, and when he isn't- his goals to games ratio is very impressive. However, Arsenal fans have every right to be hacked off, 6% increase in season ticket sales after 5 years of no trophies and no major purchase to speak of, with annual suggestions that the club's 2 best players will leave!

Spot on with the point about the invincibles. When he came to this country he was handed a ready made perfect back 4, just repeat that formula as he did once.

[goodwillie_style]

Skysports.com understands West Brom poised to sign Reading striker Shane Long with deal to be done in next 24 hours, good signing for west brom

[Helmshore blue]

Skysports.com understands West Brom poised to sign Reading striker Shane Long with deal to be done in next 24 hours, good signing for west brom

Great signing. West Brom should have a decent season. Foster will proove to be a good signing too. (Any betting man, on Will Hill there is a head2head market for West Brom VS Rovers. West Brom are just under evens)

[Fylde Coast Fan]

cahill is only about 25 if thats what your eluding to

He's also one year away from joining Arsenal for nothing when his contract expires. Why pay £17m now? Jagielka and Samba are the ones who're too old by Arsenal standards.

[Roverdale]

He's also one year away from joining Arsenal for nothing when his contract expires. Why pay £17m now? Jagielka and Samba are the ones who're too old by Arsenal standards.

Hence Owen Coyle trying to flog him everytime he gets his face in front of a camera.

It's verging on downright embarrassing now.

[roverandout]

always thought wenger was one of the most overrated managers going, how many other big clubs would stick with a manager who hasnt won anything for years? if he had been at chelsea, he would have been sacked a long time ago. His constant need to buy young players 'with potential' is downright irritating, arsenal are too soft and when they come up against better footballing sides, ie barcelona, they get outplayed. They are a great side to watch but so are man utd and they win things. I feel man city have already overtaken them and they have only 'been around' for a couple of years (obviously big money helps)

[XLM]

always thought wenger was one of the most overrated managers going, how many other big clubs would stick with a manager who hasnt won anything for years? if he had been at chelsea, he would have been sacked a long time ago. His constant need to buy young players 'with potential' is downright irritating, arsenal are too soft and when they come up against better footballing sides, ie barcelona, they get outplayed. They are a great side to watch but so are man utd and they win things. I feel man city have already overtaken them and they have only 'been around' for a couple of years (obviously big money helps)

Arguing that Wenger isn't a good manager is pointless. Just look at how much money he has spent. What other managers in the league, or any of the top leagues for that matter, have kept a team consistantly challenging for the top honours with such small expenditure.

Transfer spend since 2003 (it's the best match I could find without properly bothering, but the 1992-present table further backs up the point):

# 	 Net Spend       Purchased Gross    Sold 	    Net 	Per Season
       (03 - 10/11)	  (Buys Gross) 	  	  	 
1 	Manchester City £529,220,000 	£125,575,000 	£403,645,000 	£50,455,625
2 	Chelsea 	£530,700,000 	£140,600,000 	£390,100,000 	£48,762,500
3 	Liverpool 	£379,680,000 	£238,780,000 	£140,900,000 	£17,612,500
4 	Tottenham 	£297,400,000 	£168,250,000 	£129,150,000 	£16,143,750
5 	Manchester Utd 	£317,250,000 	£220,900,000 	£96,350,000 	£12,043,750
6 	Aston Villa 	£186,900,000 	£105,625,000 	£81,275,000 	£10,159,375
7 	Sunderland 	£151,430,000 	£97,950,000 	£53,480,000 	£6,685,000
8 	Stoke City 	£54,825,000 	£13,695,000 	£41,130,000 	£5,141,250
9 	Wolves 	        £57,275,000 	£17,625,000 	£39,650,000 	£4,956,250
10 	Bolton 	        £69,650,000 	£34,250,000 	£35,400,000 	£4,425,000
11 	Fulham 	        £75,680,000 	£47,645,000 	£28,035,000 	£3,504,375
12 	Everton 	£106,050,500 	£83,100,000 	£22,950,500 	£2,868,813
15 	West Brom 	£70,085,000 	£48,790,000 	£21,295,000 	£2,661,87
14 	QPR 	        £15,450,000 	£1,900,000 	£13,550,000 	£1,693,750
15 	Swansea 	£9,170,000 	£4,175,000 	£4,995,000 	£624,375
16 	Arsenal 	£157,650,000 	£158,370,000 	-£720,000 	-£90,000
17 	Norwich City 	£12,550,000 	£16,960,000 	-£4,410,000 	-£551,250
18 	Wigan  	        £76,565,000 	£84,400,000 	-£7,835,000 	-£979,375
19 	Newcastle 	£141,100,000 	£150,900,000 	-£9,800,000 	-£1,225,000
20 	Blackburn Rovers £68,702,000 	£100,590,000 	-£31,888,000 	-£3,986,000

Birmingham City £96,325,000 	£56,725,000 	£39,600,000 	£4,950,000
 	West Ham 	£123,130,000 	£98,925,000 	£24,205,000 	£3,025,625
Blackpool 	£5,450,000 	£7,350,000 	-£1,900,000 	-£237,500
Middlesbrough 	£76,900,000 	£68,600,000 	£8,300,000 	£1,037,500
Hull 	        £26,130,000 	£10,475,000 	£15,655,000 	£1,956,875
Burnley 	£15,355,000 	£18,825,000 	-£3,470,000 	-£433,750
Portsmouth 	£97,100,000 	£122,960,000 	-£25,860,000 	-£3,232,500
Leeds United 	£5,900,000 	£40,250,000 	-£34,350,000 	-£4,293,750

And that should be the end of that.

[EDIT] Oh and after looking at that table I thought it best to mention that -£31,000,000 transfer spend over 8 years to be left as a club with £20,000,000 debt is why we needed away from the trust and why the money that we have spent (and are reported to be looking to spend) since Venkys took over is a God send. Be happy with it.

[roverandout]

what money have we spent since the venkys took over? oh yes a slice of the money that we got for jones, oh happy days!!!

[XLM]

what money have we spent since the venkys took over? oh yes a slice of the money that we got for jones, oh happy days!!!

And we have no debt.

[roverandout]

i hear you but i dont care about debt, well i do obviously but i want a team on the football pitch that is capable of winning matches. let the administrators at the club deal with finances, my only concern is bringing in players who are good enough to wear the blue and white.

[XLM]

i hear you but i dont care about debt, well i do obviously but i want a team on the football pitch that is capable of winning matches. let the administrators at the club deal with finances, my only concern is bringing in players who are good enough to wear the blue and white.

I want a team to support for the foreseable future. You apparently want a Pompey joy ride.

[roverandout]

no i dont, i want a team thats successful, these guys were brought in so they could invest, they have hardly investing anything so far. Would you be happy for rovers to remain in good shape but get relegated at the end of the season through lack of investment? if so what would be the difference between these lot coming in and when we were owned by the walkers trust? as the saying goes, you have to speculate to accumulate.

[XLM]

no i dont, i want a team thats successful, these guys were brought in so they could invest, they have hardly investing anything so far. Would you be happy for rovers to remain in good shape but get relegated at the end of the season through lack of investment? if so what would be the difference between these lot coming in and when we were owned by the walkers trust? as the saying goes, you have to speculate to accumulate.

We were in £20,000,000 debt. For a club with such small revenue that's massive. Add to that a wage bill that encompasses 90% of that revenue and you must start to realise the position we were in.

Venkys have cleared the debt (whether we offset some of that debt back into the transfer market is something we've heard rumoured) and spent around (including a fee for Petrovic) £9,000,000 and accumulated £16,000,000. Total spend of £13,000,000. All very rough estimates but the difference from gobbling up £3,000,000 over the same period from the past regime is plain as day.

[Steve Moss]

And we have no debt.

Do we have no debt? I thought I read there was an 18 million mortgage, which was partially paid off with the Jones money (as it was not all paid up front). Who paid the balance?

The debt the Trust accrued is allegedly burdening Venkys Ltd, which owns the Rovers. So indirectly we still have that debt also.

[American]

Arguing that Wenger isn't a good manager is pointless. Just look at how much money he has spent. What other managers in the league, or any of the top leagues for that matter, have kept a team consistantly challenging for the top honours with such small expenditure.

[etc.]

The problem with Wenger is that he's had the capability to spend more or sell less, but is too stubborn to have done this. Hence the trophy drought.

[philipl]

And we have no debt.

Venky's London has debt secured against Rovers' assets.

[chris]

Arguing that Wenger isn't a good manager is pointless. Just look at how much money he has spent. What other managers in the league, or any of the top leagues for that matter, have kept a team consistantly challenging for the top honours with such small expenditure.

Transfer spend since 2003 (it's the best match I could find without properly bothering, but the 1992-present table further backs up the point):

# 	 Net Spend       Purchased Gross    Sold 	    Net 	Per Season
       (03 - 10/11)	  (Buys Gross) 	  	  	 
1 	Manchester City £529,220,000 	£125,575,000 	£403,645,000 	£50,455,625
2 	Chelsea 	£530,700,000 	£140,600,000 	£390,100,000 	£48,762,500
3 	Liverpool 	£379,680,000 	£238,780,000 	£140,900,000 	£17,612,500
4 	Tottenham 	£297,400,000 	£168,250,000 	£129,150,000 	£16,143,750
5 	Manchester Utd 	£317,250,000 	£220,900,000 	£96,350,000 	£12,043,750
6 	Aston Villa 	£186,900,000 	£105,625,000 	£81,275,000 	£10,159,375
7 	Sunderland 	£151,430,000 	£97,950,000 	£53,480,000 	£6,685,000
8 	Stoke City 	£54,825,000 	£13,695,000 	£41,130,000 	£5,141,250
9 	Wolves 	        £57,275,000 	£17,625,000 	£39,650,000 	£4,956,250
10 	Bolton 	        £69,650,000 	£34,250,000 	£35,400,000 	£4,425,000
11 	Fulham 	        £75,680,000 	£47,645,000 	£28,035,000 	£3,504,375
12 	Everton 	£106,050,500 	£83,100,000 	£22,950,500 	£2,868,813
15 	West Brom 	£70,085,000 	£48,790,000 	£21,295,000 	£2,661,87
14 	QPR 	        £15,450,000 	£1,900,000 	£13,550,000 	£1,693,750
15 	Swansea 	£9,170,000 	£4,175,000 	£4,995,000 	£624,375
16 	Arsenal 	£157,650,000 	£158,370,000 	-£720,000 	-£90,000
17 	Norwich City 	£12,550,000 	£16,960,000 	-£4,410,000 	-£551,250
18 	Wigan  	        £76,565,000 	£84,400,000 	-£7,835,000 	-£979,375
19 	Newcastle 	£141,100,000 	£150,900,000 	-£9,800,000 	-£1,225,000
20 	Blackburn Rovers £68,702,000 	£100,590,000 	-£31,888,000 	-£3,986,000

Birmingham City £96,325,000 	£56,725,000 	£39,600,000 	£4,950,000
 	West Ham 	£123,130,000 	£98,925,000 	£24,205,000 	£3,025,625
Blackpool 	£5,450,000 	£7,350,000 	-£1,900,000 	-£237,500
Middlesbrough 	£76,900,000 	£68,600,000 	£8,300,000 	£1,037,500
Hull 	        £26,130,000 	£10,475,000 	£15,655,000 	£1,956,875
Burnley 	£15,355,000 	£18,825,000 	-£3,470,000 	-£433,750
Portsmouth 	£97,100,000 	£122,960,000 	-£25,860,000 	-£3,232,500
Leeds United 	£5,900,000 	£40,250,000 	-£34,350,000 	-£4,293,750

And that should be the end of that.

[EDIT] Oh and after looking at that table I thought it best to mention that -£31,000,000 transfer spend over 8 years to be left as a club with £20,000,000 debt is why we needed away from the trust and why the money that we have spent (and are reported to be looking to spend) since Venkys took over is a God send. Be happy with it.

wow how did we survive, I always felt until Venkys took over that Blackburn really didn't deserve to be a premier league club and it was only a matter of time.

Thank god Walkers Trust are gone.

great info thanks

[davulsukur]

Newcastle have signed Obertan from Man Utd. I always had the impression that he was gash, does anyone know much about him?

[XLM]

Any time I saw him he looked awful.

Do we have no debt? I thought I read there was an 18 million mortgage, which was partially paid off with the Jones money (as it was not all paid up front). Who paid the balance?

The debt the Trust accrued is allegedly burdening Venkys Ltd, which owns the Rovers. So indirectly we still have that debt also.

My understanding was the Jones money basically covered the mortgage, they may take out a new mortgage to allow us tospend some of it, but as it stands the mortgage is paid.

Plus didn't they pay off £20,000,000 debt when they purchased the club? I didn't include that in any of the figures because I couldn't remember, but I think they did, which would increase the spend to £33,000,000.

The problem with Wenger is that he's had the capability to spend more or sell less, but is too stubborn to have done this. Hence the trophy drought.

Has he had the capability to spend more though? Didn't the board pull the plug on the money when they moved to the Emirates to cover the cost?

Venky's London has debt secured against Rovers' assets.

Thanks for that vague piece of nothing. How much debt? Which debt? And if there is debt what else would they secure it against? You don't half post crap.

[dubdubdub]

Glad we didn't get Obertan. Macheda looks crap as well. Wellbeck would be the only one i'd have wanted this season but looks like he'll be featuring much more this season.

As for the £31 million profit which still left us in debt; Surely a lot of that will have gone on wages because Rovers have a low gate/fan sales income. Then again i'm forgetting the Sky money...not sure how far that goes towards the running of the club.

[alexanders]

Newcastle have signed Obertan from Man Utd. I always had the impression that he was gash, does anyone know much about him?

Wasnt it young Ramm who was pickiping Obertan to pieces in a reserve match if im not mistaken?

[dubdubdub]

Wasnt it young Ramm who was pickiping Obertan to pieces in a reserve match if im not mistaken?

Riberio should be sorted then! Think Newcastle could struggle this season...especially if Barton does go. Bolton will also struggle.

People are probably saying the same about us I imagine...those would be unkind people. And they always do anyway.

[Commondore]

Wasnt it young Ramm who was pickiping Obertan to pieces in a reserve match if im not mistaken?

It was the other way around, Ramm was destroyed by Obertan... He was certainly a promising prospect when United picked him up, but 2+ years playing for their reserves can hardly have done wonders for his development. I'd say it's a decent buy, although a five year contract seems like an unnecessary risk from Newcastle's perspective.

[American]

Has he had the capability to spend more though? Didn't the board pull the plug on the money when they moved to the Emirates to cover the cost?

Actually, part of the stadium deal was that they were supposed to spend any profits made on transfers, which they haven't. Board has always said the money is available to spend.

Part of the problem is that they won't give long contracts, so they sell good players they wouldn't normally need to.

[XLM]

Actually, part of the stadium deal was that they were supposed to spend any profits made on transfers, which they haven't. Board has always said the money is available to spend.

Part of the problem is that they won't give long contracts, so they sell good players they wouldn't normally need to.

I don't know the ins and outs of Arsenal's contracts but I'm pretty sure Fabregas is 3 years from the end of an 8 year contract. And before that he was on a 6 year deal. Also Nasri is on a 4 year contract.

I know it won't be the same for every player but I don't see that they won't give long contracts.

The board saying money is available is different to it actually being there. Just look at Rangers.