Summer 2011 Transfer Window - Part 3.

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

We also need to remember tha "free" transfers are not "free"

The 16m we have been given for PJ could easily be spent on 2 or 3 "free" transfers wages and signing on fees over 2 or 3 year contracts.

In the world of business; Would you gamble and pay 0m for 2 players with running costs of 50k a week over 2 years? or gamble 10m on a transfer fee - with running cost over 4 years of 40k a week?

It's simple common sense. "Free" transfers have generally lower scope for gaining big money/length contracts that big multi million signings do.

I don't see Venkys spending more than 4/5m in this transfer window on fee's alone.

[Fraserkirky]

Anyways,

Looks like Pavone is gonna be signed soon barring any medical problems. At this rate I will accept RSC as well if Man City are reasonable about his price.

Strike force of Pavone,RSC,Roberts,Kalinic and Rochina. Hardly Defoe and Cisse, but better than last year. Rochina's 2 strikes at old Trafford last year were beautiful strikes and the kid looks a real player. Kalinic, I'm willing to give another season, someone else points out how unlucky he has been with woodwork and questionable refereeing decisions and I agree.

Midfield is the big problem, shock. It has been for years and years. N'Zonzi is decent if unspectacular and Hoilett is versatile on both wings. Formica, I'm hopefully he gets plenty of time in the preseason to adjust to the style and his teamates, cost us a fortune as well so he's gotta be involved. We need at least two very good midfielders in. I would say a right mid and a defensive mid. It's absolutely mind boggling why didn't just get Witsel, money should not have been the problem and would have been a significant upgrade on Jones, and N'Zonzi for that matter. If we manage to ship Grella,Gamst,Diouf,Andrews then I'd be looking for a top quality Attacking Midfielder. The two young lads Cotton and Lowe look very good as well and will be knocking on the door, much rather see them in the first team than the 4 previously mentioned.

Olsson, for me, is an attacking full back. I think he got better defensively last year and I hope he can further improve this year. Him and Hoilett should be kept on the left flank for me. Looked great when lined up there last year. At right back, yeah I'd love a quality young guy like Aurier or Clyne but it doesn't look the budget is large enough to be spending on this position when we have Salgado's wage and Emerton with Henley coming through. Centre half, Samba aint gone yet so pencil him in there with Givet. Mongongu(sp) is a nice pick-up and replacement for Jones for a decent price too.

So if we manage to get Pavone and Mongongu. I would say we would need 4 in after that: RSC,Right-Mid,Defensive Midfielder,Attacking Midfielder.

Venky's haven't lost my support quite yet, but its wavering. Get signing.

[The Gull]

Did we burn all bridges last time Barry Ferguson was here, or could we still bring him back on the cheap? As much as I've loathed the guy after he walked out the last time, I'd be prepared to give him a chance in the current climate... at 33, still a great ball-player. Going to Blackpool according to the Mirror - surely they can't afford his wages if Birmingham can't though?

Ribeiro doesn't sound too bad, a sweet left foot from the Youtube clips I've seen, and at last we can get a left sided defender in. Now bring in a striker worth mentioning ffs!

Wouldn't want the horrible little thing anywhere near Rovers team, past it and will fit in well with all the other drunk Glaswegians in Blackpool.

[Kelbo]

We also need to remember tha "free" transfers are not "free"

The 16m we have been given for PJ could easily be spent on 2 or 3 "free" transfers wages and signing on fees over 2 or 3 year contracts.

In the world of business; Would you gamble and pay 0m for 2 players with running costs of 50k a week over 2 years? or gamble 10m on a transfer fee - with running cost over 4 years of 40k a week?

It's simple common sense. "Free" transfers have generally lower scope for gaining big money/length contracts that big multi million signings do.

I don't see Venkys spending more than 4/5m in this transfer window on fee's alone.

So didnt we pay wages to Jones, Jones, RSC and MB Diouff or Frankie Fielding???

[Fraserkirky]

So didnt we pay wages to Jones, Jones, RSC and MB Diouff or Frankie Fielding???

Exactly. I don't buy that argument at all.

[chris]

We also need to remember tha "free" transfers are not "free"

The 16m we have been given for PJ could easily be spent on 2 or 3 "free" transfers wages and signing on fees over 2 or 3 year contracts.

In the world of business; Would you gamble and pay 0m for 2 players with running costs of 50k a week over 2 years? or gamble 10m on a transfer fee - with running cost over 4 years of 40k a week?

It's simple common sense. "Free" transfers have generally lower scope for gaining big money/length contracts that big multi million signings do.

I don't see Venkys spending more than 4/5m in this transfer window on fee's alone.

with RSC off the wage bill he probably covers the wages of these freebies.

Also Jones would have been our highest ever paid player I believe.

I'd imagine the freebies are free of a reason and will unlikely get 50k. If anything they are looking to restart their career and will have to cut their loses a little.

A 10 million pound player will be just that for a reason and cost more in wages 9 times out of 10.

I wouldn't get too hooked up with the wages, you looking for excuses that aren't there.

[Makey11]

I agree, on to more important things now we seem to have a potential giver of snippets of info................anymore forthcoming Makey that will keep us all in anticipation for tonights 10-11 O`clocker

Will drop a few obvious hints if I hear anything.

Also wish people would stop talking about Jorge ribeiro!!

HES NOT COMING!

[Ricky]

Andy Cryer is certain of Bruno Ribeiro. He hasn't dismissed the possibility that another Ribeiro is also there but he's certain about Bruno.

Wonder if there has been some confusion in the Nixon camp???

[RibbleValleyRover]

Fraser you would have Roque back after last season?

I have to say I am baffled by that viewpoint. He was a complete waste of wages last season and looks a shadow of the player he once was. Isn't he also on something like £90k per week at City? (It was rumoured we were paying him that when he was on loan here). Even if we got him for a cheap transfer fee I can't see him playing for peanuts, £50-60k I would imagine we would have to pay him per week.

And when you consider he is an injury prone player that looks a spent force it's a waste of money on an already maxed out wage budget.

[Makey11]

Andy Cryer is certain of Bruno Ribeiro. He hasn't dismissed the possibility that another Ribeiro is also there but he's certain about Bruno.

Wonder if there has been some confusion in the Nixon camp???

That's defo what it is....

Bruno ribeiro the 28 yr old from gremio been here for the last 2 weeks.

He must have thought it was the 35 year old coach Bruno ribeiro who was here n put 2 n 2 together to get Jorge (the coach's little brother)

[Fraserkirky]

Fraser you would have Roque back after last season?

Yes.

Don't get me wrong I would much prefer a Defoe or Cisse, but it aint gonna happen. If we can spend some decent cash on midfield, to create the chances then I think he'll get the scoring on the go again. I saw 2 Paraguay games at the Copa, and he looked fit,sharp and quality.

I agree on the injury part though.

[hawkiiz]

Why was the thread closed for a while?

[booth]

Fraser you would have Roque back after last season?

I never thought I would say this but I would, given his recent form and some of the dross we're now looking at.

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

So didnt we pay wages to Jones, Jones, RSC and MB Diouff or Frankie Fielding???

Don't see your point mate at all. If you mean "is there not space for new signings after these players left?" then I would probably agree, but still, only a simpleton can say that it is better to spend 10m on a player, than 5m... or even 0m! Price tag does not mean quality every time.... And we are owned by Business people not fans

The Transfer windows have proven time and time again, that prices change. Look at David Bentley. We signed him for nothing, and sold him for 17m. This summer we could probably get him back for next to nothing. The impression I am getting from the mainstay of the fans is "Spend cash or I won't renew my ST" Spending money is irrelevant, Buying quality is relevant

I would much rather see us wait in the wings, rather than spending 47m on 3 "decent players" (Downing, Henderson and Adam?) Would you be happy Chris if we waxed 12m on (for example) Adebayor on 100k a week?

There is plenty of quality out there, Its just going to take a lot of ground work to get them to step through the doors, because believe it or not(something that a lot of you seem to have forgotten), even if we offered big sums and wages to likes of Defoe, they would have no interest in playing at Ewood.

I bet i'm going to get slated for this point of view. To me it's Reality

[jim mk2]

The problem with Diouf were not his off field antics, but what he delivered on the pitch, which was basicly nothing. No goal-threat, few assists and no pace which is not what you look for in a winger.

But his ball-retention was good! Yes, so true. You could play the ball to him on and he would usually be able to produce a back pass or throw himself to the ground trying to get a free kick.

This is unfair. Diouf is one of the few players we have who does not give the ball away and passes the ball to a team-mate in tight triangles - backwards, and sideways and forwards. The ability to retain possession in midfield and up front is vital to keep the pressure off our defence and was sorely missed after he went to Rangers last season. None of present forwards and midfield players can play with their backs to goal - for instance, in the case of Roberts the ball bounces off the concrete blocks in his boots and Kilinic does not have the physical strength or technique and just falls over.

Diouf has lost the pace to beat defenders as a winger but remains an excellent footballer - and we don't have too many of those. If the manager can see Diouf's qualities and give him another chance he would be a better signing than any of the Carlos Kickaballs we've been linked with so far.

[Ricky]

No idea if it had been locked by accident but I opened it again.

I guess we're due to start another one soon so it may have been locked pending a new thread.

[Kelbo]

Don't see your point mate at all. If you mean "is there not space for new signings after these players left?" then I would probably agree, but still, only a simpleton can say that it is better to spend 10m on a player, than 5m... or even 0m! Price tag does not mean quality every time.... And we are owned by Business people not fans

The Transfer windows have proven time and time again, that prices change. Look at David Bentley. We signed him for nothing, and sold him for 17m. This summer we could probably get him back for next to nothing. I cannot stand this impression I am getting from the mainstay of the fans. Spending money is irrelevant, Buying quality is relevant

I would much rather see us wait in the wings, rather than spending 47m on 3 "decent players" (Downing, Henderson and Adam?) Would you be happy Chris if we waxed 12m on (for example) Adebayor on 100k a week?

There is plenty of quality out there, Its just going to take a lot of ground work to get them to step through the doors, because believe it or not(something that a lot of you seem to have forgotten), even if we offered big sums and wages to likes of Defoe, they would have no interest in playing at Ewood.

I bet i'm get slated for this point of view. To me it's Reality

Not arguing that fact, arguing with you saying that wages even on free transfers takes up much of the budget, like hell it does when you have freed almost £200k per week

[pick32]

This is unfair. Diouf is one of the few players we have who does not give the ball away and passes the ball to a team-mate in tight triangles - backwards, and sideways and forwards. The ability to retain possession in midfield and up front is vital to keep the pressure off our defence and was sorely missed after he went to Rangers last season. None of present forwards and midfield players can play with their backs to goal - for instance, in the case of Roberts the ball bounces off the concrete blocks in his boots and Kilinic does not have the physical strength or technique and just falls over.

Diouf has lost the pace to beat defenders as a winger but remains an excellent footballer - and we don't have too many of those. If the manager can see Diouf's qualities and give him another chance he would be a better signing than any of the Carlos Kickaballs we've been linked with so far.

agree with everything you said about Diouf but Roberts wrote the book on holding the ball up!

[jim mk2]

, Buying quality is relevant

I would much rather see us wait in the wings, rather than spending 47m on 3 "decent players" (Downing, Henderson and Adam?) Would you be happy Chris if we waxed 12m on (for example) Adebayor on 100k a week?

Unless Kean shows hitherto unseen qualities and is a talent spotter like Mark Hughes buying quality players usually costs alot of money. It may well be that some of these triallists turn out to be hidden gems but I would say it is highly unlikely don't you ? In the case of Downing and Henderson I would say Liverpool have overapid but Charlie Adam at about £7m (?) looks a snip. The problem is our owners do not appear to be willing to spend even that sort of money.

[roverandout]

i think artist is working for the venkys, cant see any other reason for his ridiculous posts. Better to sign freebys than spend good money on proven quality? yeah ok.

[chris]

Diouf has lost the pace to beat defenders as a winger but remains an excellent footballer - and we don't have too many of those. If the manager can see Diouf's qualities and give him another chance he would be a better signing than any of the Carlos Kickaballs we've been linked with so far.

I wouldn't consider using a Diouf like a good new signing.

Diouf would be good to come on a sub sub if we are winning 1-0 and theres 10 minutes to go.

Other then that you know he won't score anymore, he getting slower and rarely beat a man to provide anymore.

He lost his place to the likes of Holliet and Olsson to really just put him to shame as a winger with goals and lighting pace, but as a holding player he is handy to have around.

HOWEVER is it worth having Diouf around when he he will do is probably complain and do something stupid.

My answer no.

So get him off the wage bill too free up some more transfer cash.

[AJW]

somebody else mentioned it , but it wasnt debated ... would anybody take Barry Ferguson back??

[JW11]

somebody else mentioned it , but it wasnt debated ... would anybody take Barry Ferguson back??

no effing way!

[AJW]

no effing way!

come on JW get off the fence

[Ricky]

I'd take him back to Scotland.....