Summer 2011 Transfer Window - Part 3.

[Torgeir]

Over to Mrs D to sort it out. She has at least has some family cash to throw at the problem but she has lost all her best people including I suspect her relationship with Huber.

I thought Huber was big mates with one of the brothers. If yes then he ought of known what was coming down the pipeline.

So now we're not relying on Kentaro, not our normal scouts, but on various agents directly to avoid paying as much in agent fees? Which will ultimately stuff us because there are no one taking proper care of business from the Rovers side of the table... correct?

[BangkokRover]

ive said it before if the manager is'nt in charge of transfers he should resign. and i wish people would stop saying how hard it is to sign world class players, Cisse,Piatti,miranda,Rondon,Witsel none of these are world class players and all of them are playing for small clubs at the moment.

That is what Curbishly did to Wet Spam took them to court for constructive dismissal as he did not have control over the transfers

[adsfortheblues]

Even if "decent" players are signed i would be happy, I emphasise "decent" because half the squad at this moment in time are not even at that level.

Robbo

Salgado. Samba. Onouha. Givet.

Hoillet. Witsel Nzonzi. Olsson

Keane. Rochina

Now even that with three new signings not world beaters but our team looks far stronger

[brian_gallagher85]

I see the deadline for judging is being pushed back further and further!

There is no bloody deadline except in the heads of some deluded fans.

[Pugg]

I know it's frustrating hearing exciting names and then being told the list has been scrapped but some people are completely overreacting.

No one is a liar yet or an idiot in my opinion. Hearing words like shambolic, bizarre and crazy do give cause for concern though. However I have (blind) faith that the situation will be resolved...after all for everyone to benefit it has to! I wish I could stay away from this thread tbh!

I am not overly concerned at the moment. It's a few days after the start of the window. Just as I think we shouldn't rush into transfers we shouldn't wait til the end of the window! With each passing day my concerns will increase slightly. If we pass certain stages, like pre season training and friendlies then again my concerns will increase. So yeah, let's not rush things but let's not dither too much either!

It's no good just saying buy him him and him, we have money but we don't want to waste it! We need the right types of player, the right wages, the right attitude, the right contracts (no clauses anyone?) and those least likely to flop as well as loads of other things. Just as patience is a virtue, the early bird catches the worm...I hope we are in the middle somewhere. Patient venkys catch the worm?

[tonyoz]

Wenger referred to it last week and Sam often moaned about it. Clubs play games - they indulge in the most outrageous brinkmanship in the hope that some sucker will come along and offer the ridiculous fees being asked for their superstars. This usually doesn't happen so the saga drags on until one of the poker players loses his nerve. When he does, it often unleashes a mad frenzy of action as buying chains are freed up. This explains the craziness that occurs every deadline day. This is the main reason we are seeing no action at Ewood.

All IMO of course.

[Athlete]

????????? Do we have 50 million to spend or 50 pounds ???????????

what about the phil jones money ?????...just a thought

[Black Burn]

what about the phil jones money ?????...just a thought

Like I said, most people assume the money problem has something to do with the transfer kitty and fees.

But it could be a more complex problem - like wages, for example.

[Balwer]

Like I said, most people assume the money problem has something to do with the transfer kitty and fees.

But it could be a more complex problem - like wages, for example.

When you budget to buy a car, do you just think about the cost price, or how much it will cost to insure, register and put fuel in? When you run a multi-million dollar business I think you would have a fairly good understanding about both the initial and the ongoing outlays for an asset.

[Black Burn]

When you budget to buy a car, do you just think about the cost price, or how much it will cost to insure, register and put fuel in? When you run a multi-million dollar business I think you would have a fairly good understanding about both the initial and the ongoing outlays for an asset.

Don't forget about the taxes, maintennance, repairs and everything else.

[Andrew__Morris]

Even if "decent" players are signed i would be happy, I emphasise "decent" because half the squad at this moment in time are not even at that level.

Robbo

Salgado. Samba. Onouha. Givet.

Hoillet. Witsel Nzonzi. Olsson

Keane. Rochina

Now even that with three new signings not world beaters but our team looks far stronger

I like the look of that team but it really only has one season left in it with Salgdo and Keane.

Love the midfield though. Strength in the middle and pace out wide!

[Balwer]

Don't forget about the taxes, maintennance, repairs and everything else.

yes, I probably should have just put etc. on the end of my post. The point remains though, a more expensive car will cost more to run, and a more expensive player will generally expect more wages. I would have thought that would be fairly rudimentary stuff to the myriad of people seemingly involved in this operation, which is why I'm a little concerned about the apparent hold up regarding finances. The club budgeted for £5m in January and that supposedly included any increased wages. Why wouldn't that theory hold again in summer, regardless of the amount we have to spend?

[adsfortheblues]

I like the look of that team but it really only has one season left in it with Salgdo and Keane.

Love the midfield though. Strength in the middle and pace out wide!

True mate but would keep us up so short term were sorted, in terms of long term sign some youth also and they can be mouled in and we aren't looking to bad and if venkys also want a marquee then no problem that's all good

[Hughesy]

Not signing Demba Ba is looking like a poor decision to me.....if they are not happy spending £12m or whatever on someone like Cisse then he would have been perfect on a freebie.

[Dariomarcolin]

Why do people insist on putting 'IMO' everytime they post something? Who elses opinion would you be expressing?

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

What's with the Venkys out mentality now? We don't know what's exactly going on behind the scenes

You may have answered your own question there.

[rebelmswar]

Why do people insist on putting 'IMO' everytime they post something? Who elses opinion would you be expressing?

Its very simple.

There are so many posters on here who do actually know things, that it is very important to say that it is ones opinion and not fact. If you don't then we have the hysteria, and almost suicide of Chaddy, that we saw yesterday when Mr. Frame gave his OPINION.

[Parsonblue]

Alan Nixon said the club is in a mess, and that people need to make the decisions. He did not single out anyone or identify anyone, and almost everyone here jumped into conclusion and started blaming Venkys and the Rao brothers.

With due respect I think you might have missed some of the posts that Nicko has made over the past week. Whilst the finger is not pointed at any individual the bottom line is that Venkys are the owners and the buck stops at their door. They are the ones putting the money in and the final say on any decision is, rightly, theirs to make. However, by suggesting that the club is capable of challenging for the top six or eight they have increased expectation levels amongst some supporters. Unfortunately, finishing in the positions that Venkys want is going to cost money and it is, perhaps, only now that they are beginning to understand just how much it's going to cost in terms of fees and wages.

With regard to the seemingly shambolic management structure, again the buck stops with the owners. They created an environment which led to the departures of John Williams and Tom Finn and it was their decision to let Andrew Pincher go. The fact that there doesn't appear to be a management structure in place is purely down to the decisions of the owners. Again, they are perfectly entitled to make those decisions just as fans are perfectly entitled to have a pop at them if things seem to be going pear shaped.

[Black Burn]

You may have answered your own question there.

If we are going to chase the owners out every time we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, we're never going to find any owners who would stick around for long.

[Teacup]

I find it odd in January when we all knew and decided we needed a couple of players to come in and make a real impact straight away.. The only person they actually did bring in who did anything was J. Jones.

Formica/Rochina/Roque really did very little. Now obviously Formica and Rochina may play a role in the future, I am assuming they should be ready for the start of the season?

I must admit I was shocked by the list of names coming from Nicko in this window, I assumed we would carry on from where we left off in January. Signing young players early in the window and getting them ready for the new season. That makes sense to me. Just look at Chicharito/Hernandez, supposedly he cost Fergie 6mil, I would rather have that kid than any of the people we have been linked with so far.

I would rather see us risking it on young players, who have something to prove and cost between 3-6M rather than so-called stars who are twice/three times that. Most want stupid wages and have no more or less chance to be a flop than a lad like Rochina.

Maybe Nicko could explain why our transfer targets have changed from Rochina/Formica/etc to people like Keane/Fabiano/Bellamy.

[Black Burn]

With due respect I think you might have missed some of the posts that Nicko has made over the past week. Whilst the finger is not pointed at any individual the bottom line is that Venkys are the owners and the buck stops at their door. They are the ones putting the money in and the final say on any decision is, rightly, theirs to make. However, by suggesting that the club is capable of challenging for the top six or eight they have increased expectation levels amongst some supporters. Unfortunately, finishing in the positions that Venkys want is going to cost money and it is, perhaps, only now that they are beginning to understand just how much it's going to cost in terms of fees and wages.

With regard to the seemingly shambolic management structure, again the buck stops with the owners. They created an environment which led to the departures of John Williams and Tom Finn and it was their decision to let Andrew Pincher go. The fact that there doesn't appear to be a management structure in place is purely down to the decisions of the owners. Again, they are perfectly entitled to make those decisions just as fans are perfectly entitled to have a pop at them if things seem to be going pear shaped.

Oh, okay. I guess you are right.

But like I said, since we aren't part of the management staff or backroom, there is no way we know for sure the blame lies solely on the Venkys, miscommunication, agencies, conspiracies or whatever. I'm not portraying the Venkys as innocent victims, nor am I absolving them completely of blame and responsibility. What I am saying is that it's premature to make judgements, criticize them and want them out when we don't know what exactly the problem is.

For all we know, it could be a hold-up in the middle-management rather than at the very top, and the Rao brothers have nothing to do with the stuff that is happening down below. I could be wrong, though.

Yes, the owners are partly responsible - I'm not saying they are not. I'm saying we shouldn't be accusing them stuff like "the Rao brothers want this super-duper player from Brazil and that's what causing the hold-up!" or "they want to pocket the Jones money so the 16 million will be in their saving accounts instead of being spent on new players!"

I hope I've cleared any misunderstanding. I may seem to be defending the Venkys and making them out to be completely innocent - that is a mistake on my part. I did not mean for that to happen. I didn't mean to say the Venkys are innocent and should not be held responsible - what I mean is that we should not be accusing them of problems that we thought of when we jump into conclusions and then slamming the Venkys based on the assumptions. Yes, perhaps they are at fault. But most certainly the whole "Rao brothers want Brazilian superstar instead of the players Kean wants" or "Kean is effectively powerless and can't sign the players he want" may just be mere speculation and not fact.

[rebelmswar]

Why else would an entity fire the manager, make the chairman leave, replace one with Kean of all people and completely fail to replace the other?

There is no other answer than that they wanted full control.

They have it now and are rightly being held over the fire about it.

[Balwer]

Oh, okay. I guess you are right.

But like I said, since we aren't part of the management staff or backroom, there is no way we know for sure the blame lies solely on the Venkys, miscommunication, agencies, conspiracies or whatever. I'm not portraying the Venkys as innocent victims, nor am I absolving them completely of blame and responsibility. What I am saying is that it's premature to make judgements, criticize them and want them out when we don't know what exactly the problem is.

For all we know, it could be a hold-up in the middle-management rather than at the very top, and the Rao brothers have nothing to do with the stuff that is happening down below. I could be wrong, though.

Yes, the owners are partly responsible - I'm not saying they are not. I'm saying we shouldn't be accusing them stuff like "the Rao brothers want this super-duper player from Brazil and that's what causing the hold-up!" or "they want to pocket the Jones money so the 16 million will be in their saving accounts instead of being spent on new players!"

I hope I've cleared any misunderstanding. I may seem to be defending the Venkys and making them out to be completely innocent - that is a mistake on my part. I did not mean for that to happen. I didn't mean to say the Venkys are innocent and should not be held responsible - what I mean is that we should be accusing them of problems that we thought of when we jump into conclusions and then slamming the Venkys based on the assumptions. Yes, perhaps they are at fault. But most certainly the whole "Rao brothers want Brazilian superstar instead of the players Kean wants" or "Kean is effectively powerless and can't sign the players he want" may just be mere speculation and not fact.

since you only joined the site less than a month ago I'm going to go ahead and assume you didn't see the amount of discussion that was had regarding Venky's when they first took over. It's certainly something that's divided opinion and made for heated discussion on these boards, so don't be surprised if you encounter a few individuals on here who don't share your apparent optimism and faith.

[Hi Mack]

I find it odd in January when we all knew and decided we needed a couple of players to come in and make a real impact straight away.. The only person they actually did bring in who did anything was J. Jones.

Formica/Rochina/Roque really did very little. Now obviously Formica and Rochina may play a role in the future, I am assuming they should be ready for the start of the season?

I must admit I was shocked by the list of names coming from Nicko in this window, I assumed we would carry on from where we left off in January. Signing young players early in the window and getting them ready for the new season. That makes sense to me. Just look at Chicharito/Hernandez, supposedly he cost Fergie 6mil, I would rather have that kid than any of the people we have been linked with so far.

I would rather see us risking it on young players, who have something to prove and cost between 3-6M rather than so-called stars who are twice/three times that. Most want stupid wages and have no more or less chance to be a flop than a lad like Rochina.

Maybe Nicko could explain why our transfer targets have changed from Rochina/Formica/etc to people like Keane/Fabiano/Bellamy.

Because we have already bought Formica and Rochina?

On a serious note I cannot believe people are moaning about being linked with Bellamy, Fabiano etc. They are very good players and would improve our striking options massively, for a club like us to be linked with them is a big thing in it's self. This is however different to the Ronaldiniho, Bekham saga as no one truly believed(apart from Venkys) that they would ever come to Ewood park. There's being hopeful and and being stupid!

[Teacup]

Because we have already bought Formica and Rochina?

... okay..

Not exactly what I meant, but fair play. However, I would rather see us purchase proven EPL players for the defensive roles of our squad than attacking. If they want to spend 10M+ on transfers and have wages of 80K for a player, then make it a defender or a defensive midfielder. Surely those areas are most important for us? Replacing the two Jones that have gone?