Summer 2011 Transfer Window - Part 3.

[ABBEY]

Before this turns into a trust love-in. Just two points.

The Trust stopped putting money in some time ago.

The Trust sold the club to Venkys.

Maybe so...but they came gung ho and sprouted all kinds of bull and beckham etc. Nobody forced them to buy us and not knowing prices of players and wages is PATHETIC ..if True then kamy tell them the fans are ###### off with them ,they are not only embarassing rovers ,they are embarrassing themselves, the venky group and football.Tell them its time to stand up and make themselves counted and stop with their slapstick comedy routines its wearing thin now.pm me I will give you my mobile and I will tell them straight what we think of the way they have so far done things..

[UtopianParadigm]

I know where the lists came from. I know the level of research that was going on at the club at the time. I also double- and in some cases treble-checked how far these inquiries had gone.

You may recall that Vucinic's agent was quite 'off' with Rovers, probably because he was looking for too much dough.

You may also recall Spurs confirming/revving up the interest in Robbie Keane.

You may additionally recall that Anjukov admitted - totally out of the blue - that Rovers had tried to sign him.

On top of that there are people here and agents in the game who know that Cisse's agent spoke to Rovers and that was looking good until daft figures were bandied about.

I don't think anyone at Venky's was using 'good business sense' to leak fake names. All of the above would haveto have been taken in by a rather odd ploy.

The owners have gone from enthusiasm to much less in just over a week...only they can say why.

Yes, the transfer market is full of people looking to rip you off at every turn. But that is even more reason for knowing EXACTLY what you are doing and how much you have to spend.

Don't think I made myself clear. Apologies.

The recent stance of not having such a large transfer kitty is what I was talking about. I.E. They're not happy about how much they have to spend being common knowledge, so they send out info stating we no longer have as much/never had as much, knowing there is a leak.

Incidentally, I wasn't having a pop at you. Your insight is invaluable and I appreciate it as much as anyone on the board.

[Black Burn]

Wages and agent's fees HAVE to be paid to get top players these days.

The trouble is that many of the main names on the list were looking for small fortunes.

I can see why the owners would back off about that.

Wait a second, doesn't that mean it isn't that the owners are lying and unwilling to spend the money, but the players being unreasonable and demanding over-the-top wages?

If that's the case, then a lot of the accusations here fall flat. Of course the owners will have to take responsility and the process they are going about is wrong, but at least we know they aren't lying, pocketing the Jones's funds and being unwilling to spend the money?

Or do you think they should pay those wages the players want anyway because they are top players?

[RibbleValleyRover]

Our wage bill has been a problem for years, gobbling all the money coming in. It was always likely we would have to use the money from sales to pay for wages as there is no room.

It shows how foolish a policy it was to give average players new deals that now means we are locked in as nobody will buy them. Roberts, Pedersen and Andrews for example.

[broadsword]

But surely they would've gained an appreciation of this when they opened the books for due diligence?

[Antgrad]

Realistically that would have been significantly chewed up in the new contract signing bonanza.

I know what you mean but surely that's not right as Jones was part of the contract signing bonanza. So anything we were paying to Jones is now available to pay to the new guy(s) and should be part of the availability to pay transfer fees, wages, agents fees, backhanders, whatever. Doesn't mean we have any more money just something that was annoying me.

[unclejack28]

I don't think he was talking about the information you received at the time being accurate as I'm sure it was. But as you said Mrs D does read this message board and she may not have liked the fact that some of the potential transfers have been leaked including amount of budget so this new information about how the initial budget didn't include wages etc could just be a way to stop these leaks getting out and showing people our budget is much less when it might not be actually?. Their intentions of buying blackburn was/is to promote their own business in brazil/switzerland/india wherever. If they do not invest in our team and "excite" the fans like they have promised surely this will be considered a failure and may have negative implication on their other business units.

I would not want our owners to come publicly and say we have 15million or 100 million to spend on transfers, as long as the manager knows his budget that should be enough, this could be why we seem to have missed out on cisse because at the time his agent or whoever but have thought we are in for people like piatti and co and we have money to spend so let's push them for higher wages, and maybe they don't want to make that mistake in the future.

I have no sources or anything. Just my opinion.

[Teacup]

I can see why the owners would back off about that.

But to suddenly go into reverse is not the way to do it.

Maybe they are going in reverse because they know they need to stop and completely re-think the whole set-up, it isn't working. Sounds as if what your saying is, they planned everything, they planned it brilliantly, but when they went in for these targets, they all wanted more than we could afford to pay.

The offers/talks etc have leaked out, we know all about how many players we have looked at, are looking at, who we have spoke to and so on, but in all cases nothing has happened. That makes Venky's not only look bad, but a complete shambles. It also gives the fans a false impression on who we are looking for, who we can afford, etc. Ultimately we will not sign anyone as good as Cisse and we will all feel sad/bad/mad about that.

Perhaps it is back to the drawing board, which in my opinion wouldn't be such a bad thing. Clearly something isn't right if every target we go for is out of our price range. I would rather we went for sensible targets and got one or two, than wildly optimistic targets getting nothing

[chaddyrovers]

So we don't seem to be going anywhere in the transfer market.

Is Huber still around at rovers or has he gone back to Switzerland now?

And has Kean gone to Austria with the squad or is he still at Brockhall with the owners and Huber trying to sort things out who to go for and what we got to spend.

[Mattyblue]

Maybe they are going in reverse because they know they need to stop and completely re-think the whole set-up, it isn't working. Sounds as if what your saying is, they planned everything, they planned it brilliantly, but when they went in for these targets, they all wanted more than we could afford to pay.

Not brilliant planning then, was it?

[imy9]

What exactly are Kentaro doing in this equation? Experts should know what is going on and give the owners sound advice, does not seem like it at the moment.

[Teacup]

Not brilliant planning then, was it?

I am assuming Venky's, the people who admit - know nothing about football.. Didn't give themselves the list of targets lol

That seems to be the epic fail in all of this.

[Torgeir]

Wages and agent's fees HAVE to be paid to get top players these days.

Well, if we're paying Kentaro/SEM already then they better get us some players.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

But surely they would've gained an appreciation of this when they opened the books for due diligence?

Did they actually know what they were looking at?

[pick32]

Then we need to get , Diouf, grella, andrews, pedersen and goulon of the wage bill. Also we shoud have some flexibility now that benjani, RSC a has gone and also Mame Diouf all that would give us about an extra £13mill. Keep players such as Lowe, Ramm and Morris for squad players instead of loaning them and get a few big players in.

[nicko]

Don't think I made myself clear. Apologies.

The recent stance of not having such a large transfer kitty is what I was talking about. I.E. They're not happy about how much they have to spend being common knowledge, so they send out info stating we no longer have as much/never had as much, knowing there is a leak.

Incidentally, I wasn't having a pop at you. Your insight is invaluable and I appreciate it as much as anyone on the board.

No apologies needed. No offence taken.

I was just working through your theory and trying to say where it didn't stack up.

As of now there is nothing remotely like a budget known to anyone who matters in the process.

There is something much bigger going on here.

I am yet to put my finger on it, but I do have my suspicions.

[Teacup]

I really would love to know if all the leaked information over the past few weeks is coming directly from the same people who are telling Venky's who to buy

Or would this be one conspiracy theory to far?

[donnermeat]

Hang on you mean to tell me they have had a 'top firm' in Kentaro advising them for nearly 8 months and this business has just been realised now?? Nobody has mentioned it at all til now?...Nahh I'm not buying it

[Pugg]

Our owners aren't mega-rich, they aren't billionaires and they don't have tens of millions to throw at a single transfer window. So next time one of the Venky's sources (or whoever you use) sends you a story about signing a list of players that would equal 5 times the yearly profits of their main company, you might wanna take it with a pinch of salt.

So you didn't believe Nicko's prediction of spending 50 million because his sources are crap, yet you believe his story that things are in turmoil, which probably came from the same sources.

[Black Burn]

Not brilliant planning then, was it?

Or maybe the players they contacted got greedy?

For example, Cisse demanded 75k a week even though he has never played in the English Premiership before? I assume even a billionaire will think twice before agreeing to take that sort of risk.

[Bluefudge]

May I ask where is the £40 million SKY money goin ? or gone ?

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

No apologies needed. No offence taken.

I was just working through your theory and trying to say where it didn't stack up.

As of now there is nothing remotely like a budget known to anyone who matters in the process.

There is something much bigger going on here.

I am yet to put my finger on it, but I do have my suspicions.

Welcome to the mad house folks.

[pick32]

Hang on you mean to tell me they have had a 'top firm' in Kentaro advising them for nearly 8 months and this business has just been realised now?? Nobody has mentioned it at all til now?...Nahh I'm not buying it

+1 something bigger is going on these people aren't celebs or lottery winners they have made money by running a successful business they would of done their homework and known the ins and outs by now.

[Roverdale]

May I ask where is the £40 million SKY money goin ? or gone ?

General club funds and costs.

There is more to pay for than wages and transfers.

Every Prem club gets this TV money but look how few rock up with a £40m transfer budget.

Silly comment.

[Mullionvagrant]

Realistic targets:-

O.K here's a list of premiership players who could hit the ground running and add something to the squad. 2-3 from this list and 2-3 youths from barcelona/utd/madrid reserves etc in the style of rochina with a gd pedigree who will develop and i think we'd be sorted. time to get realistic!!!!

wright philips

warnock

keane

Jo

O shay

wes brown

darron gibson

owen hargreaves

viera

mathew upson

reo coker

Bentley

who would you want from this list????