Summer 2011 Transfer Window - Part 3.

[Teacup]

Maybe Kentaro are planning a takeover for full-control.

[Black Burn]

Can I clarify something?

It seems that a lot of people here believe that Venkys had no idea what they were getting into, had no idea of the costs of football players, wages and no idea how to run a football club, and thus condemning the Venkys for being clueless headless chickens. Did I get that right?

What if the problem isn't that, but rather, they did their research, had an estimate of the players' wages, but when they approached the players or agents to ask for wages, the players either got greedy or inflation kicked in and their demands for wages highly exceeded their estimation? It isn't that they were completely clueless and ignorant of what they were getting into, but purely greed on the players' part?

Keep in mind that this is just speculation, and I could be mistaken.

I'm not pro-Venkys, I'm pro-Blackburn. But I'm not anti-Venkys either so forgive me if I'm trying to look at things from a subjective point of view without bashing the Venkys.

Of course you could fault the Venkys for being horribly wrong with their estimates as well, I'm not denying that.

Additionally, as much as I respect and value Alan Nixon's and Kamy's information, we basically see one U-turn where their previous information was rendered redundant. Who's to say there won't be another reversal in the coming week? Maybe not, maybe, let's all hope for the best and that both Alan Nixon and Kamy bring us some good news in the next couple of days. Then hopefully the criticism will die down once again.

And Alan Nixon's point about the Trust wasn't that he wanted to refute the Trust, but that if we had continued under the Trust the way things were running, we might get relegated in the next few years. That is his opinion, probably, or I might have wrongly interpreted it, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Parsonblue]

Wait a second, doesn't that mean it isn't that the owners are lying and unwilling to spend the money, but the players being unreasonable and demanding over-the-top wages?

If that's the case, then a lot of the accusations here fall flat. Of course the owners will have to take responsility and the process they are going about is wrong, but at least we know they aren't lying, pocketing the Jones's funds and being unwilling to spend the money?

Or do you think they should pay those wages the players want anyway because they are top players?

If the owners were serious about aiming for the top they must have realised that the type of players they were after demand top wages. If they didn't then they really are in the wrong business. Sadly, their lack of knowledge and understanding about football in general, and the transfer market in particular, is beginning to be a major handicap with regard to our progress. The sad thing is that in John Williams, Tom Finn and Andrew Pincher they had three guys, of varying degrees of experience, who knew how it all worked but, of course, Venkys knew best and got rid of them.

[Roverdale]

Still £40 million, still a fair point, don't see it being spent wisely.

As a businessman myself I'd still like to know more.

No need for the insult........

Sorry I didn't mean it to sound as malicious as it looks on screen. I don't like to resort to insults.

As a more constructive reply I might have said that the accounts for the club are public information.

I have accounting experience myself and I can follow the accounts through and see where the money goes.

I'm sure you'd be able to do the same if you had access to them.

I don't have a link but you can find them.

If you're really interested PM me, I have quite a bit of info on this I have the past 6 years worth of accounts.

I have had to perform analysis on them in the past and I have also had a meeting with JW before to discuss them.

Again, sorry for sounding malicious.

[Bluefudge]

God I wish I wasn't so dumb :-)

Dream on boys, no superstars will be running round Ewood.

Just some good, honest, work their socks off pro will come play for us.

We will be fine.

Just get a grip, could be worse, we could be Clarets!!

[Lurid Coat]

Maybe they have realised how expensive it is to run a football club and have decided to sell up. Would certainly explain a few things. This is just speculation on my part and not from any sources or such like.

As much as I'm frustrated with the way our owners have handled pretty much everything since they bought us, that would be the worst case scenario.

Phil and Jermaine Jones were instrumental to our survival last season. As of now, we're looking to start the next season without any of these (it seems highly unlikely that we'll get Jermaine back after our loan - yes, loan - bid was declined).

If Venky's want to get rid of the club, surely they won't be putting another penny in, meaning that we'll kick off next season as a dramatically weakened outfit.

[Bluefudge]

Again, sorry for sounding malicious.

Don't worry, my Tongue was in my cheek.

I'm like everyone else, just very keen to see some incomings.

[Mullionvagrant]

Can I clarify something?

It seems that a lot of people here believe that Venkys had no idea what they were getting into, had no idea of the costs of football players, wages and no idea how to run a football club, and thus condemning the Venkys for being clueless headless chickens. Did I get that right?

What if the problem isn't that, but rather, they did their research, had an estimate of the players' wages, but when they approached the players or agents to ask for wages, the players either got greedy or inflation kicked in and their demands for wages highly exceeded their estimation? It isn't that they were completely clueless and ignorant of what they were getting into, but purely greed on the players' part?

Keep in mind that this is just speculation, and I could be mistaken.

I'm not pro-Venkys, I'm pro-Blackburn. But I'm not anti-Venkys either so forgive me if I'm trying to look at things from a subjective point of view without bashing the Venkys.

Of course you could fault the Venkys for being horribly wrong with their estimates as well, I'm not denying that.

Additionally, as much as I respect and value Alan Nixon's and Kamy's information, we basically see one U-turn where their previous information was rendered redundant. Who's to say there won't be another reversal in the coming week? Maybe not, maybe, let's all hope for the best and that both Alan Nixon and Kamy bring us some good news in the next couple of days. Then hopefully the criticism will die down once again.

And Alan Nixon's point about the Trust wasn't that he wanted to refute the Trust, but that if we had continued under the Trust the way things were running, we might get relegated in the next few years. That is his opinion, probably, or I might have wrongly interpreted it, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

I think what we might actually find is that Venky's are extremely good at making the right noises i.e we will buy big (1/2 of brazil etc) i think this is a cover up. What i think is really happening is simple. Venkys invest a minimum strictly 5 million in each window. Anymore money comes from players sold e.g jones. ALL transfers are Kentaro based targets. Low profile players who are on Kentaro's books need marketing/developing. I think you will find that we will end up loaning players again and filling the rest of the team with kentaro players. I don't for one second believe that Kean has much say-he is part of the Kentaro project in that he is being developed/receiving a golden opportunity to make a name for himself (of course it would be media suicide to say this was the case so they have been seen to consider keans lists and then abandon them) I think Venky's are more clued up than they are letting on. time with show..... I maybe wrong but i have a nagging feeling i'm not.

[bluefred]

may be they have a new manager in mind and transfers have been put on hold ?

just a thought.......

[Black Burn]

If the owners were serious about aiming for the top they must have realised that the type of players they were after demand top wages. If they didn't then they really are in the wrong business. Sadly, their lack of knowledge and understanding about football in general, and the transfer market in particular, is beginning to be a major handicap with regard to our progress. The sad thing is that in John Williams, Tom Finn and Andrew Pincher they had three guys, of varying degrees of experience, who knew how it all worked but, of course, Venkys knew best and got rid of them.

But there is a difference between top wages and unreasonable wages? Would you pay Cisse 75k a week even though he is unproven in the English Premiership League? I'm not sure about this but personally I would think twice before taking the risk. But then again I'm a stingy guy so I could be just weird.

I was pretty sure John Williams, Tom Finn and Andrew Pincher resigned voluntarily, saying it's a good time to leave the club because it's supposedly in good hands and not sacked by Venkys. The whole Venkys getting rid of them were, in my opinion, rumors spread by the anti-Venky brigade to fan the flames of hatred and anti-Venkys sentiment. But then again, there is no smoke without fire, so they could be rightly justified in believing so. I have my doubts, though.

[Hughesy]

WHY does the £26m include the need to cover wages???

Roque (£90k) - Jermain Jones (£60k) - Phil Jones (£25-30k?) - Brown (£10k?) - Mame (£15-20k?)

The above have all gone.....£200-£210k per week of space on the wage bill (roughly)

Grella (£30-40k?), Andrews (£20-30k?), EH Diouf (£35-45k?), Kalinic (£30k - assume he has no future based on last season), Benjani (£15-25k?).....potential for another £130-170k of space on the wage bill for players who offer very little

Get rid of the crap & consider what has already gone....there must easily be over £300k a week on the wage budget to allocate.

As for people who come out with the old 'You need a buyer' - let them go for FREE/ small amounts if we have £26m cash to spend (Except for Kalinic) so that wages dont eat into that amount.

[Taggart]

No apologies needed. No offence taken.

I was just working through your theory and trying to say where it didn't stack up.

As of now there is nothing remotely like a budget known to anyone who matters in the process.

There is something much bigger going on here.

I am yet to put my finger on it, but I do have my suspicions.

Do you think the club may be creating smokescreens to mislead the press and some internalfigures at the club, while they work on their "real " targets ? or trying to flush out moles by leaking bits of information, or are you totally convinced of the info that is being relayed by your contacts etc.

interesting times at Rovers, a new way of doing things, but really hope to strenghen the team as it badly needs it unless we want another relegation scrap on our hands.

[Kelbo]

If the owners were serious about aiming for the top they must have realised that the type of players they were after demand top wages. If they didn't then they really are in the wrong business. Sadly, their lack of knowledge and understanding about football in general, and the transfer market in particular, is beginning to be a major handicap with regard to our progress. The sad thing is that in John Williams, Tom Finn and Andrew Pincher they had three guys, of varying degrees of experience, who knew how it all worked but, of course, Venkys knew best and got rid of them.

And that is the big problem, nail on the head Parson plus sacking a competent manager.

[Mattyblue]

WHY does the £26m include the need to cover wages???

Because they want to continue putting in £5million-ish amounts of their own cash and no more.

[Hughesy]

Because they want to continue putting in £5million-ish amounts of their own cash and no more.

Not a problem with the £5m per window, £10m per season....but read the rest of my post about WHY??

[chocky]

Before this turns into a trust love-in. Just two points.

The Trust stopped putting money in some time ago.

The Trust sold the club to Venkys.

Nicko, so many are blind to that and don't want to accept the point.

[Mullionvagrant]

Because they want to continue putting in £5million-ish amounts of their own cash and no more.

Agreed Matt see my post above-i think this is part of a bigger strategy that was hinted upon by fans fears earlier when venky's took over. I think the Kentaro links go deeper than have recently been portrayed to the media.

[Antgrad]

WHY does the £26m include the need to cover wages???

I think that's what I was saying a couple of pages back, Hughesy

[roverandout]

get these clowns out of our club, promise the world and deliver NOTHING. I feel more pesmistic about this coming season than i did the last. We can expect cheap knock-offs including santa-clown and another season of struggle. Sorry if my post doesnt fit in with other people's optimistic, blue and white spectacle, views but thats the way it is.

[Rider]

First Post so wil try and be accurate!

I was talking to TP a day or so ago and he told me that he had spoken to Kean and he was was expecting to have £26 million to spend. That doesn't change very much until we start spending but does explain the reluctance to spend most of that sum on one striker.

[broadsword]

You've got to be a proper dopey custard to spend £23m plus debts of a business then find out 6 months afterwards what the real costs of running it are.

It's farcical.

[McClarky]

So here we are, more then halfway through the summer and still no prospect of sorting out our problems. For me the talk of signings and wages is all a big distraction from the real issue. Until we get the club sorted, i.e. CEO, Chairman or whatever you call the people responsible for sorting recruitment out, we are in limbo. I can't understand why there is hardly any talk of this on here. We need to get a serious structure in place which can negotiate and make decisions, you can't outsource that kind of thing to some agency who have conflicts of interest. If the intention is to get this sorted out they had better hurry up or we'll end up with players leaving and only the dregs at ridiculous prices left unless the intention is to just try and loan people at the end of the window. I just hope that the club can instill some confience but there's no sign of this so far other than big talk and some spin they are putting out in the media. Very worrying.

[John]

So here we are, more then halfway through the summer and still no prospect of sorting out our problems. For me the talk of signings and wages is all a big distraction from the real issue. Until we get the club sorted, i.e. CEO, Chairman or whatever you call the people responsible for sorting recruitment out, we are in limbo. I can't understand why there is hardly any talk of this on here. We need to get a serious structure in place which can negotiate and make decisions, you can't outsource that kind of thing to some agency who have conflicts of interest. If the intention is to get this sorted out they had better hurry up or we'll end up with players leaving and only the dregs at ridiculous prices left unless the intention is to just try and loan people at the end of the window. I just hope that the club can instill some confience but there's no sign of this so far other than big talk and some spin they are putting out in the media. Very worrying.

Agree, a good structure in place is vital - potential problem with this (from Venky's perspective) is say, the chairman, does not agree with the 'advice' Kentaro are providing.

[roverandout]

everything that these morons have done so far has been one big screw up and lie after another. Last week i felt as optimistic as i have done about rovers for a long time now i feel exactly how i felt about these idiots when they first arrived. Sacking a proven manger to replace him with a doughnut, lie about how much we have to spend, talk about bringing players like ronaldinho, beckham etc to this club. Now they dont have a clue how much they have to spend and are too naive to realise what it takes to run a club. I wont be as optimistic about these idiots again.

[Amo]

Do yourselves a BIG favour and avoid this thread like the plague. You'll thank yourself for it.

I only end up here by accident.