Summer 2011 Transfer Window - Part 3.

[niggit]

Save upto 300k, a valid point. But I can see venky's point been to cut back on wages and make a profit. If our wages are running 85-90%. Then they may want that down to maybe 75%.

[broadsword]

Unless there's something dramatic like oil being found behind the riverside, attempting to turn a profit out of the business of Rovers (rather than looking at the positive benefits of corporate PR for the owners) would result in relegation.

[Veevs]

WHY does the £26m include the need to cover wages???

Roque (£90k) - Jermain Jones (£60k) - Phil Jones (£25-30k?) - Brown (£10k?) - Mame (£15-20k?)

The above have all gone.....£200-£210k per week of space on the wage bill (roughly)

Grella (£30-40k?), Andrews (£20-30k?), EH Diouf (£35-45k?), Kalinic (£30k - assume he has no future based on last season), Benjani (£15-25k?).....potential for another £130-170k of space on the wage bill for players who offer very little

Get rid of the crap & consider what has already gone....there must easily be over £300k a week on the wage budget to allocate.

As for people who come out with the old 'You need a buyer' - let them go for FREE/ small amounts if we have £26m cash to spend (Except for Kalinic) so that wages dont eat into that amount.

You missed Zurub from the list he was supposed to be on a very very high wage.

[Roost]

Bloody 'ell, this is painful. Last week we had a stash big enough to choke a donkey and a list of players we were targetting that made my eyes water. Today, its seems that we have enough for perhaps two decent (£8M) players to add to the squad or four 'ok' players.

Wouldnt it be nice to know the truth?

[budha]

As for people who come out with the old 'You need a buyer' - let them go for FREE/ small amounts if we have £26m cash to spend (Except for Kalinic) so that wages dont eat into that amount.

Perhaps the players won't leave as there isn't a club in the world who will pay them what we pay? Which means we would have to buy them out, like we did Chimbonda, and then get a replacement. It's cheaper to just retain the players until the end of their contract.

[donegalrover]

Do yourselves a BIG favour and avoid this thread like the plague. You'll thank yourself for it.

I only end up here by accident.

yea man i was far happier when i knew nothing no news is good news.This is just torture

[DeadlyDirk]

WHY does the £26m include the need to cover wages???

Roque (£90k) - Jermain Jones (£60k) - Phil Jones (£25-30k?) - Brown (£10k?) - Mame (£15-20k?)

The above have all gone.....£200-£210k per week of space on the wage bill (roughly)

Grella (£30-40k?), Andrews (£20-30k?), EH Diouf (£35-45k?), Kalinic (£30k - assume he has no future based on last season), Benjani (£15-25k?).....potential for another £130-170k of space on the wage bill for players who offer very little

Get rid of the crap & consider what has already gone....there must easily be over £300k a week on the wage budget to allocate.

As for people who come out with the old 'You need a buyer' - let them go for FREE/ small amounts if we have £26m cash to spend (Except for Kalinic) so that wages dont eat into that amount.

It's not really that simple though is it. You can't just release them for free without paying their contract in full. You still need to find a club willing to sign them for their current wages regardles of how low or non existant the fee might be. That's unless they are prepared to take a pay cut which many players aren't. There's a reason why some of them are still here. Why would anyone want to pay Grella even close to that to sit in the treatment room for one.

Maybe the 26m has to cover wages as well because they want to lower the wage bill rather than keep it at a similiar level, who knows.

[roverandout]

i woud rather they push the boat out on 2, 8 or 9 million pound players, than bring in 4 mediocre (of which we have plenty of) players. the £8 or 9 million players are players that would make the difference from winning football matches and not. for example a joey barton wont do anything that keith andrews or the other pash midfielders dont do already. A piatti or witsel would make a big difference. Strikers the same, we have no goalscorers so its imperetive we push the boat out on a proven goalscorer and that would cost money. Also big names get bums on seats, i cant see a robbie keane or crocky santa cruz doing that.

[PAFELL]

+1 something bigger is going on these people aren't celebs or lottery winners they have made money by running a successful business they would of done their homework and known the ins and outs by now.

Whoever did the due dilligence for both venkys and the trust must really be having a laugh at what is going on. It appears that venkys are not right for football and the trust should have been informed about that.

[broadsword]

Whoever did the due dilligence for both venkys and the trust must really be having a laugh at what is going on. It appears that venkys are not right for football and the trust should have been informed about that.

Hell of a time to be finding that out.

[PAFELL]

Maybe they have realised how expensive it is to run a football club and have decided to sell up. Would certainly explain a few things. This is just speculation on my part and not from any sources or such like.

Hope so - but they need a buyer in order to sell up.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

The sad thing is that in John Williams, Tom Finn and Andrew Pincher they had three guys, of varying degrees of experience, who knew how it all worked but, of course, Venkys knew best and got rid of them.

This is the sheer utter stupidity of it all,the crux of our problems...we had people in place who could have guided them and given sound RELIABLE advise.

Have Venky's finally realised they have bitten off more than they can chew?

[Hi Mack]

Does anyone know if the season ticket sales have been affected by this nonsense? I hope it hasn't don't get me wrong but it'd be interested to see what the general consensus is?

[Parsonblue]

But there is a difference between top wages and unreasonable wages? Would you pay Cisse 75k a week even though he is unproven in the English Premiership League? I'm not sure about this but personally I would think twice before taking the risk. But then again I'm a stingy guy so I could be just weird.

I was pretty sure John Williams, Tom Finn and Andrew Pincher resigned voluntarily, saying it's a good time to leave the club because it's supposedly in good hands and not sacked by Venkys. The whole Venkys getting rid of them were, in my opinion, rumors spread by the anti-Venky brigade to fan the flames of hatred and anti-Venkys sentiment. But then again, there is no smoke without fire, so they could be rightly justified in believing so. I have my doubts, though.

If you believe that John Williams, Tom Finn and Andrew Pincher were happy to leave fair enough. I suspect you are in a very small minority. I'll leave it at that on that particular point rather than saying anymore.

As for player wages I think recent events show just how little Venkys understand about football. It's no use saying you want a top six place or allowing the manager to talk about Champions League if you can't back it up with hard cash. The wages of footballers are not reasonable and that's the whole point. Venkys have got into a game in which the stakes are serious money. If they said we want to maintain Premier League football but use a similar financial model to the Trust, that would be fair enough. But they didn't. They drew up lists of top players, the manager talked about the Champions League but having talked the talk we now find that they don't really want to walk the walk because it costs money. £5 million per transfer window, to include costs and wages, was never going to work.

Sadly, the family appear to have been either badly advised or been carried away with the idea of owning a Premier League Club. Even if they don't invest they are now going to find that they will start losing money on a major scale. Owning a football club is akin to gambling, if you can't afford to lose you can't afford to play. Unfortunately, I suspect that Mrs. Desai and her family are about to discover a few of the realities of Premier League ownership.

[howzat]

i'm shocked and disgusted by what i have read in the last few pages (if true). I'm sick to death of watching this club sell its best players and then the money going missing. if we don't spend at least 25million this summer then i'm afraid Rovers have just lost a lifelong fan. I don't care if you have a go at me for saying that and call me a crap fan but i'm sick of being lied to by these idiots running our club and im sick of watching the same ###### squad of players every year.

[Mattyblue]

Does anyone know if the season ticket sales have been affected by this nonsense? I hope it hasn't don't get me wrong but it'd be interested to see what the general consensus is?

Well as only 11000 have been sold so far, I would say so.

[Ricky]

Gotta love Hughesy logic. Let's just get player x off the wage bill because they're crap. Doesn't really work like that in real life does it.

You do actually need a selling club and a buying club mate. Who's going to buy Grella at the moment?? Come on, throw me a name because if there's anyone in for him they obviously have an even worse transfer policy than us!!!

[Mattyblue]

i'm shocked and disgusted by what i have read in the last few pages (if true). I'm sick to death of watching this club sell its best players and then the money going missing. if we don't spend at least 25million this summer then i'm afraid Rovers have just lost a lifelong fan. I don't care if you have a go at me for saying that and call me a crap fan but i'm sick of being lied to by these idiots running our club and im sick of watching the same ###### squad of players every year.

Get a grip you div. Why would new owners not having a clue stop you supporting BRFC? Stupid talk. Or not having a good team, that's part and parcel of being a football fan.

[Fife Rover]

No apologies needed. No offence taken.

I was just working through your theory and trying to say where it didn't stack up.

As of now there is nothing remotely like a budget known to anyone who matters in the process.

There is something much bigger going on here.

I am yet to put my finger on it, but I do have my suspicions.

I think I am suspecting something along the same lines as I think you are Nicko. And IF it is what I am thinking .............???? That would explain all the apparently unfathomable major events we have had as well. OMG it all falls into place now.

[Mike Graham]

As Hughsey says we need to get rid of the crap: lets start with Kean and then hope that the Venkys trolls sell up pronto.

[Dariomarcolin]

Why should Venkys come out and tell all you naysayers what our transfer budget is just because you're getting a bit restless we haven't bought someone who's got 17 for flair on football manager? Let's tell all potential clubs we might want to deal with how much we have available to spend so they can drive the prices of their players up in a market that's already massively over-inflated. I'd prefer a bit of discretion by Rovers as opposed to the blatant methods used by the loveable cockney cod-eye Redknapp et al

[rovers_rob]

So in 3 weeks we have gone from 50 million to spend to speculating that Venkys want to sell the club ?

Is this what you suspect nicko ?

[nicko]

Hughesy actually makes a very good point about players who have gone off the payroll.

So you COULD be able to take on a big earner or two - but it costs.

You have the advantage of having three or four home-grown players on low-ish salaries in your squad. That is also a plus.

What it needs is somebody to get a grip. Work out what you want to spend. Have faith in the person spending it. And get some people in who know how to find the players. And more to negotiate the right deals.

The lack of knowledge kicking around right at this moment is scary.

I wasn't going to repeat this. But it is an example. It came to light in the last few days.

There was a plan to bring in a couple of talented young Indian kids to the academy - maybe even higher,.

Then somebody realised the small question of 'work permits.'

That's not a mickey-take. That was actually discussed. It is clear that some of the rules have not been fully explained to people at the top.

[sharpysharps]

Hi guys,

Saw someone's post a few pages back talking about getting realistic with transfer targets and I have to agree. While the talk of Cisse and the like was exciting, I think that to build a strong foundation in the team, rovers may need to primarily look at less exciting names. The same post I think mentioned Shane Long and i'd say he's a great shout. He's a young and hungry striker who is at that age were he needs to make the step up to the premiership to prove himself. I'm absolutely dying to see some positive news transfer wise this week. Fingers and toes crossed!

Nicko - all this unrest going on, don't suppose you know whether is Kean in the middle of it or is he actually taking on more of a head coach role leaving Venkys and Kentaro/SEM to it?

Thanks

[mark1875]

Well as only 11000 have been sold so far, I would say so.

is that all? is this factual information?