Summer 2011 Transfer Window - Part 3.

[A cup of beans]

BUT PLEASE CAN WE PUT OUR HOUSE IN ORDER.

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[Neal]

As i was saying last night, i think the owners can only be judged come the end of this transfer window. Personally IF the Phil Jones money is re-invested as well as a LITTLE extra out of the owners pockets we can consider ourselves better off and a little fortunate perhaps. So... Back to it then.

C-list players? I hope that this means that perhaps we're going to add some decent quantity to our squad rather than high risk "quality".

Just trying to put a more positive take on the situation to even up the status quo.

[chris]

Our greatest ever player was sign on the 27 Jul 1992.

Lucky we didn't have the internet back then and we would to go to pubs to meet hot girls, buy an paper to read the news, actually buy DVD's to watch films and most importantly wait until we got back off hoiday before we found out who we signed.

I was actually in morocco.

Still think its too soon for all the negativity.

[Blue n White Rover]

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Meaning sort out whose in charge of the transfers, who has the final say. Get an organised process sorted out for chasing a target.

If targets have been identified, then table a bid. Get a chairman in place or someone that has the final say.

[rovers_rob]

Sod it, let's just hoover up a few of the free transfers lying around and be done with it. At least we'll have a squad that could last a season.

Matthew Upson, Nigel Reo-Coker, David Vaughan, John Carew.

Sorted. Not exciting but functional.

Yes completely agree, especially Reo-Coker.

I know he lost his way at villa but at West Ham he was a decent box to box midfield player. I think he is better than the likes of Andrews and Grella and probably more effective than MGP as a midfield player as well.

[K-Hod]

As i was saying last night, i think the owners can only be judged come the end of this transfer window. Personally IF the Phil Jones money is re-invested as well as a LITTLE extra out of the owners pockets we can consider ourselves better off and a little fortunate perhaps. So... Back to it then.

C-list players? I hope that this means that perhaps we're going to add some decent quantity to our squad rather than high risk "quality".

Just trying to put a more positive take on the situation to even up the status quo.

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[Gav]

Still think its too soon for all the negativity.

You're quiet right chris, I've advocated such an approach for months now, but all this rumour, mudslinging and conjecture can’t all be mischief making surely.

I’m still sticking to my guns on this, but Jim Mk11 is ready with the classic ‘heads in sand’ picture for both me and you, that I can assure you

[steo]

As i was saying last night, i think the owners can only be judged come the end of this transfer window. Personally IF the Phil Jones money is re-invested as well as a LITTLE extra out of the owners pockets we can consider ourselves better off and a little fortunate perhaps. So... Back to it then.

C-list players? I hope that this means that perhaps we're going to add some decent quantity to our squad rather than high risk "quality".

Just trying to put a more positive take on the situation to even up the status quo.

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There is no positive in C- list players.if we do not improve the squad we will get relegated simple as.Samba will leave that is a certainty.we need a chairman NOW!

[Mercer]

I have never been involved in an organisation that appears, IMO, as dysfunctional as Rovers.

I am sorry if I have missed this but does the new 'supposed' budget of £26m cover players' wages over the period of their contract or does it relate to first year costs only. There is a huge difference and either option would give concern for differing reasons.

Yes, the transfer of footballers is a different market but the principles of deal making are generic.

With what seems to be going on at the moment, I would happily settle for four sensible 'bread and butter' signings, preferably of UK origin.

[chaddyrovers]

Rovers have not had the combination of owners who can and want to put in money - plus the windfall from a sale - for many years.

This point needs to be grasped by those who run the club.

This is a good summer to strike and strengthen, guaranteeing a top-ten place for the next three or four years.

Yes, it is more expensive than they would have thought.

But that should be looked on as investment.

The bottom line is that the team needs one and probably two strikers, a centre half, a midfielder or two. A left winger would be a luxury on top.

So there is a NEED to spend as well as a promise to fulfil.

It would not take much for the owners to get the punters and the critics onside.

Lack of activity will nail them.

The proper signings will make their club much easier to manage.

I agree with you Nicko, this is the right time to strength the team and push rovers into the top 10 for the next couple of season.

We need 2 strikers, centre half and midfielder or 2 if we sell another centre midfield player. Maybe another right back if we can find one cheap enough.

If we could sign at least 3 or 4 below the age of 26 then in a couple of season they will be in their prime and rovers will get the best from them.

The owners need to look at it as investing for the future years aswell. If we sign players around the age of 31 or 32 then in a couple of season they will need replacing with younger players, BUT if we sign players under 26 then they will not need replacing unless they are sold.

[True Blue & White]

I’m still sticking to my guns on this, but Jim Mk11 is ready with the classic ‘heads in sand’ picture for both me and you, that I can assure you

If so Jim is a thief, the head in sand image was originally my idea.

[SG192]

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Meaning

'Sort out' what ever it is that's causing a reporter who's job it is (at this time of year) to report transfer news or gossip (however you want to dress it up),

to be side lined into posting how confusing and baffling it is behind the scenes. That suggests to me the 'banging of heads' didn't work.

Therefore it needs sorting - I don't want my football club to implode!

[booth]

Our greatest ever player was sign on the 27 Jul 1992.

Lucky we didn't have the internet back then and we would to go to pubs to meet hot girls, buy an paper to read the news, actually buy DVD's to watch films and most importantly wait until we got back off hoiday before we found out who we signed.

I was actually in morocco.

Still think its too soon for all the negativity.

I can agree with you saying it's too soon, but you cannot compare the present day to 1992.

We hadn't just avoided relegation. We had an amazing manager, the likes of which no Rovers fan anticipated. We had made signings beforehand, which were sensible and right for the job. And there was no silly talk about getting into Europe.

Besides that we weren't an established Premier League club then, and expectations were much lower. I remember back then thinking David Speedie and Mike Newell would take the top flight by storm. Who's this Shearer fellow? Don't get rid of Speedie for him!

And to be perfectly honest I would take Speedie and Newell over our present crop of strikers in a heartbeat.

[SG192]

meaning ?

Meaning

'Sort out' what ever it is that's causing a reporter who's job it is (at this time of year) to report transfer news or gossip (however you want to dress it up),

to be side lined into posting how confusing and baffling it is behind the scenes. That suggests to me the 'banging of heads' didn't work.

Therefore it needs sorting - I don't want my football club to implode!

[Speedie Dived]

Our greatest ever player was sign on the 27 Jul 1992.

Lucky we didn't have the internet back then and we would to go to pubs to meet hot girls, buy an paper to read the news, actually buy DVD's to watch films and most importantly wait until we got back off hoiday before we found out who we signed.

I was actually in morocco.

Still think its too soon for all the negativity.

Not sure why people are taking comfort in previous late transfer dates. These were arranged by a board/Chairman/manager that was experienced and highly competent. The same cannot be said currently, i fear the later we go, the more desperate we get

[Neal]

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There is no positive in C- list players.if we do not improve the squad we will get relegated simple as.Samba will leave that is a certainty.we need a chairman NOW!

How can you say that when you don't know who those players are? Also notice i said DECENT C-list players. Samba leaving is NOT a certainty by any means, I'd like to go to Arsenal for champions league football too but they don't seem to be bidding for me either... See my point? I do agree we need a chairman though.

I love to speculate as much as anyone (which is the point of the forum?) but everything on here is just that... Speculation. Not fact, nor fiction.

At the moment the way i visualise this forum is: A load of blokes running around holding "The end of the world is nigh" banners with their hair and arse on fire. At first it was quite funny, now it's very tiresome.

Sit back, relax and let it happen (whatever IT may be)... You may be pleasantly surprised, for once.

[Blue n White Rover]

You're quiet right chris, I've advocated such an approach for months now, but all this rumour, mudslinging and conjecture can't all be mischief making surely.

I'm still sticking to my guns on this, but Jim Mk11 is ready with the classic 'heads in sand' picture for both me and you, that I can assure you

GAV, I've held a very similar stance to yourself, in the sense I have been willing to give Venky's a chance (and I still am giving them a chance). However, all the stories that have emerged from the Venky's camp and being posted on here by Kamy and Nicko, have still not changed my stance on things. I'm just wondering why you have?

As far as I am aware, I will be judging Venky's against the previous regime, The Walker Trust. It was obvious to all that we had no money, yet we were still a very stable club with a fantastic chairman. I was one of many that was delighted to see the back of Big Sam when he was sacked, and the appointment of Kean, as we both agree, was justified through PL survival.

Thus far, Venky's have invested around £5m in the January transfer window. That alone was a big positive for Rovers, whether that was £5m well spent remains to be unseen. They have provided incentives for fans and also kept season ticket prices at a very low price. Now in this window, we have been hearing a wide range of stories coming out, and I do trust many of the information that is posted on this board. There is still plenty of time for Rovers to go out and buy players, which I am sure they will. Regardless of how much the owners put into the transfer kitty, it will be regarded as a success in my eyes simply because we have finally seen the money being spent from player sales.

Still a lot of time left.

[modes98]

I have never been involved in an organisation that appears, IMO, as dysfunctional as Rovers.

You aren't involved in this one unless you work for the club

The problem is nobody knows what's really happening and we are living on little snippets and rumours. Having seen the initial list I was quite happy but the lack of, well, anything after that is just soul destroying.

Even the news that Myles Anderson has been added to the reserves list doesn't brighten up my day.

[den]

I was one of many that was delighted to see the back of Big Sam when he was sacked, and the appointment of Kean, as we both agree, was justified through PL survival.

Eh? That's a joke isn't it?

Worst run for 25 years - well whoopadoo, you're happy with that?

[Fraserkirky]

What an absolute shambles!

I don't believe for one second that the Venkys have just found out how expensive it is for signing players. They signed four in january albeit 2 on loan.

the 45-50m transfer budget story is what has caused the problems along with the list. I appreciate Kamy and Nicko's input as much as anyone and without them this website would be even worse, but appears the figures are completely wrong.

To be honest, I expect us to go out and spend 20-25m on transfer fees this summer, not including any Samba fee. That would be reasonable.I'm with Hughesy on wage issue. The wage budget is down from last year and will be even further down if we manage to get rid of Goulon,Grella,Andrews,Zurab,Gamst etc and replace them with hanley,henley,Lowe,Cotton,Formica,Rochina.

We then need to go out and sign quality___ Poacher,Centre Half,Left winger, and two centre midfielders, with the 25million.

I'm very surprised that Kentaro have not been lining up players for the club since xmas, that should be easy for them.

I'm not given up on Venkys yet but this has been extremely irritating to date.

[S15]

If so Jim is a thief, the head in sand image was originally my idea.

Jesus Christ. Get a life.

[brian_gallagher85]

Our greatest ever player was sign on the 27 Jul 1992.

Lucky we didn't have the internet back then and we would to go to pubs to meet hot girls, buy an paper to read the news, actually buy DVD's to watch films...

You had DVDs in the early 90s

[chris]

I can agree with you saying it's too soon, but you cannot compare the present day to 1992.

We hadn't just avoided relegation. We had an amazing manager, the likes of which no Rovers fan anticipated. We had made signings beforehand, which were sensible and right for the job. And there was no silly talk about getting into Europe.

Besides that we weren't an established Premier League club then, and expectations were much lower. I remember back then thinking David Speedie and Mike Newell would take the top flight by storm. Who's this Shearer fellow? Don't get rid of Speedie for him!

And to be perfectly honest I would take Speedie and Newell over our present crop of strikers in a heartbeat.

I wasn't really comparing 1992 to now in the sense of our pontential, just that we made a very important signing in late July.

We had extreme buying power back in 1992 and still didn't have to rush into signings.

Hence currently I happy to wait, so early.

[PAFELL]

Anyone worrying about the Marquee signing can rest assure their worries are unfounded.

Sorry if this link has been up before, in fact it was in the Mumbai Mirror link last Friday. Basically they are not running behind big names, which is why all the Cisse links and whatever went dead, maybe?

Like someone said (who was it again? I apologize for forgetting who said it) it could mean the selection is decided within 2 weeks, or it could mean we'll be seeing players signed in 2 weeks.

I doubt they are lying, but it's best to take the news with a pinch of salt and not as a guarantee that we are definitely getting someone within the next 2 weeks. Where's Lee, by the way? He mentioned something about us getting Onuha in the next 48 hours after Clichy joined Manchester City? Anyone want to take bets on that?

That was how I read the article. The selection will be finalised in the next two weeks. It really is a shambles. It is not that they haven't signed anybody yet, that to me is not the issue. But the owners are all over the place trying to run a football club. This transfer window, the sackings, the strange appointments (Kean) rumours of this amount of money, the dwindling money amount, the high expectations to now lowering of the ambitions the owners had for the club, Such list A, B, C - this time next week we'll maybe on list D, E, F - it really is astounding.

[des]

Looking at things from afar, ie through the media and this board, it look like there are too many people making decsions, and as such nothing gets done or passed.

I would of liked some players to be signed by now, however the time to pass judgement on the running of the club( or lack of it) is at the end of the window. BY them we will know who has been signed and who has not, and the total money spent.

Top be fair th club has to buy the right players at the right price, if the price is too high,and the club is put at risk, them its better to move on. After all the only people who do not make money out of the club are the owners, and the fans.

so to sum up, given them time, easy to say, but we will just have to wait and see who turns up.