Summer 2011 Transfer Window - Part 3.

[Blue n White Rover]

Eh? That's a joke isn't it?

Worst run for 25 years - well whoopadoo, you're happy with that?

The end result was PL survival den, something we would have achieved with Big Sam or any other manager. We went through a change in ownership which is a difficult process for any club, unless you're Man City of course. The aim for last season and probably most seasons prior to that was PL survival.

Not saying I am happy with it, just saying appointing Kean was justified.

[chris]

You're quiet right chris, I've advocated such an approach for months now, but all this rumour, mudslinging and conjecture can’t all be mischief making surely.

I’m still sticking to my guns on this, but Jim Mk11 is ready with the classic ‘heads in sand’ picture for both me and you, that I can assure you

Propaganda, you are being a victim of this

"By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise."

Adolf Hitler

[den]

Whilst we always have excitable fans on here around transfer window time, and that ramped up a ridiculous amount around the time we were being sold, I have to say that some of the things posted, and the way they were posted, certainly had me questioning the motives of some posters on here, and whilst I would never suggest they wanted Rovers to fail I still have my doubts about whether they wanted Venky's to succeed.

I think plenty of us on here take a bit of pleasure from winning an argument, or being proved right RTH - from both sides of the fence, - we wouldn't be human otherwise. Trouble is, when you have shown that you think the owners aren't up to it and there if there is some evidence that they aren't, the temptation is to highlight that point. So we have a situation where the "negative" posters [for want of a better expression] are gloating about the fact that they said things were wrong within the club. That could certainly come across as people wanting the owners to fail. I can't imagine the fans who take that viewpoint, actually going down to Ewood and revelling in the club failing though RTH.

[if any of that makes sense].

The end result was PL survival den, something we would have achieved with Big Sam or any other manager. We went through a change in ownership which is a difficult process for any club, unless you're Man City of course. The aim for last season and probably most seasons prior to that was PL survival.

Not saying I am happy with it, just saying appointing Kean was justified.

Wont go through all this again, but there's nothing to justify Keans appointment. I'll leave it there.

[jim mk2]

The man I feel sorry for is this whole pathetic transfer saga is the manager, Steve Kean.

Mr Kean has identified his targets and presented them to the owners who have prevaricated about the bush and managed to sign no one of signifcance so far.

Mr Kean is potentially a top-class manager in the making; it wouldn't surprise me to see him to give up on the owners and leave for a bigger club in the near future.

[Mattyblue]

You've got to be more subtle than that jim!

[chris]

Mr Kean is potentially a top-class manager in the making; it wouldn't surprise me to see him to give up on the owners and leave for a bigger club in the near future.

What? he is the luckest man in the world getting this job.

[booth]

What? he is the luckest man in the world getting this job.

Anyone else hear that whooshing sound?

[philipl]

The end result was PL survival den, something we would have achieved with Big Sam or any other manager. We went through a change in ownership which is a difficult process for any club, unless you're Man City of course. The aim for last season and probably most seasons prior to that was PL survival.

Not saying I am happy with it, just saying appointing Kean was justified.

Prior to the last season, Rovers alongside Spurs, Everton, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal had finished top half in at least four of the previous five seasons.

Plenty of people are aware that Kean ceded control of the dressing room and four senior players were the catalysts for the improvements in performance in those last four games.

What is blatantly obvious is that Kean is Manager in name only. Would any other Manager be as side-lined and inconsequential when the club transfers were falling apart?

Nobody on this MB is batting an eyelid at Kean being mute when there is no basis for deciding the club's transfers. A state of affairs that somebody like Dalglish, Souness or Hughes would have been meekly compliant with (not).

And sorry I am not feeling as subtle as jim at the moment!

[Mattyblue]

As far as I am aware, I will be judging Venky's against the previous regime, The Walker Trust. It was obvious to all that we had no money, yet we were still a very stable club with a fantastic chairman. I was one of many that was delighted to see the back of Big Sam when he was sacked, and the appointment of Kean, as we both agree, was justified through PL survival.

You what? Yeah we stayed up, a relief all round. But it is not 'justified' as the caretaker is still in charge now. A job he is not qualified or worthy of.

[RoverPedro]

The man I feel sorry for is this whole pathetic transfer saga is the manager, Steve Kean.

Mr Kean has identified his targets and presented them to the owners who have prevaricated about the bush and managed to sign no one of signifcance so far.

Mr Kean is potentially a top-class manager in the making; it wouldn't surprise me to see him to give up on the owners and leave for a bigger club in the near future.

I havr literally just said the same thing about kean to my mates. With regards to who he wants and feeling sorry for him. With regards to a top class manager though? Its a bit early for that yes we played some decent football in a few games but we still went on a 9 game winless run. Top class managers turn that around regardless of who their players are. Next season will be his defining season. Then we will see how good he really is whether he has new players or not

[Speedie Dived]

I wasn't really comparing 1992 to now in the sense of our pontential, just that we made a very important signing in late July.

We had extreme buying power back in 1992 and still didn't have to rush into signings.

Hence currently I happy to wait, so early.

I think it's the ever growing question mark that currently hangs over our current owners that has people spooked. If the old regime were in charge we know not all of the money would be re-invested but we would be more comfortable waiting to see what would develop over the transfer window. People fear the unknown and that's currently where we are.

Personally, i am feeling less positive than i was towards Venkys. But more than happy to be proved wrong by them

[Black Burn]

Plenty of people believe that Kean ceded control of the dressing room and four senior players were the catalysts for the improvements in performance in those last four games.

If that's the case, I'm surprised the players have not criticized the manager but are instead praising him as "fantastic". Whether Kean is really fantastic or not remains to be seen, but the players apparently think very highly of him. The whole "Kean took a step back and cede control to the senior players" thing could be rumors ignited by the anti-Kean brigade. But they could be right, they could be wrong. Only Kean and the players know the truth.

I highly doubt plenty of people do.

[LeChuck]

You've got to be more subtle than that jim!

That was my first thought, but obviously he doesn't because some people have bought it!

[Blue n White Rover]

You what? Yeah we stayed up, a relief all round. But it is not 'justified' as the caretaker is still in charge now. A job he is not qualified or worthy of.

Sparky wasn't worthy of taking up a PL job after managing at International level, yet look how that turned out for us.

Realistically ,we could have finished in the top half of the table, that would only have got us some extra money, something which isn't as essential as it was when the Trust were in charge.

Judge Kean on his full 1st season.

[Mattyblue]

Eh? Mark Hughes had put together the best Welsh side in 50 years and was already a respected manager.

Steve Kean had not managed at ANY LEVEL at all.

comparing Hughes with Kean? I've heard it all now.

[Speedie Dived]

If that's the case, I'm surprised the players have not criticized the manager but are instead praising him as "fantastic". Whether Kean is really fantastic or not remains to be seen, but the players apparently think very highly of him. The whole "Kean took a step back and cede control to the senior players" thing could be rumors ignited by the anti-Kean brigade. But they could be right, they could be wrong. Only Kean and the players know the truth.

I highly doubt plenty of people do.

If you want to be picked you praise the manager. It's the oldest trick in the book. Not picking on Roberts but he is first class at this

[philipl]

If that's the case, I'm surprised the players have not criticized the manager but are instead praising him as "fantastic". Whether Kean is really fantastic or not remains to be seen, but the players apparently think very highly of him. The whole "Kean took a step back and cede control to the senior players" thing could be rumors ignited by the anti-Kean brigade. But they could be right, they could be wrong. Only Kean and the players know the truth.

I highly doubt plenty of people do.

Blackburn is a little town and I could name at least 20 MB members who have heard this first hand from Rovers employees.

There is stuff players say to the press as they bank their payrise or appearance bonus and then there are things they remember from what Samba said at half time in the dressing room in the Blackpool game.

[booth]

I've heard players praising him, with no press, behind closed doors. They could easily have vented. I dont buy into the notion the players are against him. He's actually well liked believe it or not, and I've been told is busting his balls to try and do a good job.

The question is, does he have the ability to see it through? To sign players of a decent calibre? He certainly seems to be a likeable chap but is that enough?

[PAFELL]

If that's the case, I'm surprised the players have not criticized the manager but are instead praising him as "fantastic". Whether Kean is really fantastic or not remains to be seen, but the players apparently think very highly of him. The whole "Kean took a step back and cede control to the senior players" thing could be rumors ignited by the anti-Kean brigade. But they could be right, they could be wrong. Only Kean and the players know the truth.

I highly doubt plenty of people do.

It was common knowledge at the time, that the players took control. I cannot help but believe that you are either employed or being used by venkys or somebody connected with the club - because some of the things you are coming out with as well as the stance you seem to take. If I am wrong on that so be it. The players will praise the manager, they did so with Ince. We all know what happened when Ince was the manager.

Kean is the problem at the club in my opinion, as well as the agents. There seems to be too many cooks spoiling the broth at the moment.

I believe one solution could be to have Mark Hughes back with Seven goran ericsson (spelling) as director of football. Both know football, both know players, both have decent reputations. Both could be the answer to venkys dithering and the dealing with agents.

But they would have to step back and let Hughes and his team and SGE get on with it. Because they know what they are doing in football. If these appointments were made, then, Venkys would need to trust them to get on with the job. They would then see a difference in their investment. But as things stand now Venkys are losing credibility and making a disaster of the 2011 / 12 season before a ball is kicked.

[Speedie Dived]

I've heard players praising him, with no press, behind closed doors. They could easily have vented. I dont buy into the notion the players are against him. He's actually well liked believe it or not, and I've been told is busting his balls to try and do a good job.

The question is, does he have the ability to see it through? To sign players of a decent calibre? He certainly seems to be a likeable chap but is that enough?

Which players said what? If you don't mind me asking. Just intrigued

[LeChuck]

Steve Kean had not managed at ANY LEVEL at all.

It's true. Even when he was at Superdrug he was only on the shop floor.

[booth]

Which players said what? If you don't mind me asking. Just intrigued

Obviously I can't out players as it was a private conversation which could lead to never being trusted again. Could have been bull, but then they were more than candid about other matters. All I can say is according to a few seniors he's a top bloke, would help anyone out, and is well liked by the team.

Although being a top bloke and being able to talk a good game isn't necessarily a recipe to be a good manager. Look at the late great Ray Harford.

[PAFELL]

Eh? Mark Hughes had put together the best Welsh side in 50 years and was already a respected manager.

Steve Kean had not managed at ANY LEVEL at all.

comparing Hughes with Kean? I've heard it all now.

Kean did do a spell of management at Fulham - this was before Chris Coleman got his badges.

Mark Hughes is now even more experienced - would be good at Rovers again - if he was allowed to get on with the job.

[philipl]

I've heard players praising him, with no press, behind closed doors. They could easily have vented. I dont buy into the notion the players are against him. He's actually well liked believe it or not, and I've been told is busting his balls to try and do a good job.

The question is, does he have the ability to see it through? To sign players of a decent calibre? He certainly seems to be a likeable chap but is that enough?

I am not doubting this- Steve Kean is extremely clubable.

And in busting his balls to do a good job he very sensibly let the senior players have their head in that vital run in.

They got on with doing what they did best.

[BRFC_Pilkz]

Any transfer news?