Summer 2011 Transfer Window - Part 3.

[Hughesy]

Not really because we still need a left back.

Givet - Olsson

[niggit]

Can't see us getting 2 strikers. With or without Benjani, we would have a big list then.

[True Blue & White]

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Blackburn-leading-West-Brom-in-chase-2-6million-Monaco-defender-Cedric-Mongongu-article759886.html

MongonWHO?

[neophox]

Is mongongu a done deal?

[Black Burn]

Is mongongu a fine deal?

Very subjective, actually. Some think he's a fine player, others think he's a bargain bin player.

I did hear somewhere that he was once linked to Milan and Arsenal, though? Or I might have misheard that.

[Taggart]

I am not directing this at Bennisfromheaven, so please don't take offense. This is just my observation not just from this board but also from comments in the Mirror, Lancashire Telegraph, etc.

A few days ago, people were desperate for Rovers and Venkys to sign somebody - anybody at all to prove that they are putting their money where their mouth is. And most of them were condemning Venkys for lying about having 50/30 million, lying about bring "big-name" players, lying about signing players at all, swearing at them for scourging bargain bin players or loans. And there are those who slam Venkys for not moving fast enough and letting players like Piatti fall into the hands of other clubs because of their dillying.

And now we get some news (though like Alan Nixon said, it could very well fall apart any moment and not materialize) that we're signing Monongu, and if the other thread about Onuha is right, Onuha, and people are still disappointed that we're signing defenders, or "cheap" players like Monongu. This is despite the fact that some of them are complaining that other clubs might snatch our targets (West Brom also chasing Monongu) if we don't move fast enough.

I guess you are entitled your opinions and are rightly justified in being disappointed, but I am amazed at the extent to how some people just can't be pleased.

completely agree, people are far too fickle, but they will never change Black Burn - even if we do well and get a 10 spot finish, they will complain sayign we should have finished 9th, even if we stregnehen the team, it will be about who we lost in term sof players etc etc -when people have those mindsets, you cant` do right for wrong and there is no way the owners will win them over as they will always see negative, sometimes rightly justified, but often unjustified, its just some peoples genetic makeup to be that way.

I am pro-Venkys as I am always willing to give people the chance and benefit of the doubt in life, at work, with the football club I support and would rather be behind the movement fo teh club rather than criticse at every opportunity, but hey ho not everyone is like me.

[Bennisfromheaven]

I know that you have not directed your comments directly at me, however, I feel I should defend myself & anyone that has felt the way I do

I read this forum every day & have done so for many years, I come on to get the latest info & to indulge in the most eccentric rumors. Rumors that I & everyone else know are far from the truth but we all still indulge ourselves none the less

My above comments are not part of this self indulgence, it is to do with expectation.

Venkys promise top quality signings, Venkys have also promised Champions league football. Would you see Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs or city chasing Monongu? especially if there number one priority was a goal scorer??

No disrespect to Monongu, I hope that he turns out to be the next Chris Samba but Blackburn will not continue to unearth gems like Samba, if we want to achieve what the above clubs want i.e. Champions league football, we need to put our money where our mouth is & get the players that will achieve our goals!!!

[broadsword]

I think Gandhi will rise from the dead and work down my local takeaway before we get Champions' League football.

[dubdubdub]

I am not directing this at Bennisfromheaven, so please don't take offense. This is just my observation not just from this board but also from comments in the Mirror, Lancashire Telegraph, etc.

A few days ago, people were desperate for Rovers and Venkys to sign somebody - anybody at all to prove that they are putting their money where their mouth is. And most of them were condemning Venkys for lying about having 50/30 million, lying about bring "big-name" players, lying about signing players at all, swearing at them for scourging bargain bin players or loans. And there are those who slam Venkys for not moving fast enough and letting players like Piatti fall into the hands of other clubs because of their dillying.

And now we get some news (though like Alan Nixon said, it could very well fall apart any moment and not materialize) that we're signing Monongu, and if the other thread about Onuha is right, Onuha, and people are still disappointed that we're signing defenders, or "cheap" players like Monongu. This is despite the fact that some of them are complaining that other clubs might snatch our targets (West Brom also chasing Monongu) if we don't move fast enough.

I guess you are entitled your opinions and are rightly justified in being disappointed, but I am amazed at the extent to how some people just can't be pleased.

You obviously don't know the English if you're questioning our levels of disappointment. Nothing will ever satisfy us.

If it's a big name signing we're wasting our money, if it's a a middle of the road signing we should have spent more for that extra quality, if it's no signing then dear god we're getting relegated and will bypass the Championship straight down to Leauge 1.

Not everyone can be satisfied and no amount of logic will change that (the English also lack logic and rational).

[Ripleys love child]

MongonWHO?

Sambawho? Nzonzi? Get a grip dude

[pick32]

All the talk of chaos behind the scenes of not knowing the budget and there being so many lists. Im not buying the whole is now includes wages obviously Venky's knew about the wages they have been paying them for 6month. This would all tie in nicely with the rumors about them wanting to sell. But with the likes of mongo and Onuha being close I can see Venky's atleast spending the Phil Jones money this summer. So roughly 20million 8mill of that on these two defenders and the other 8-12million on a striker and defensive midfielder would be decent if Kean can get the right players.

[Veevs]

Personally I would welcome the signing, yes we need strikers and midfielders too but I am assuming that is where some of the more difficult decisions will need to be made in terms of selection and fees. It is a positive sign that progress is being made on signings and we do need to shore up our defence both due to the departure of Jones and the lingering doubts over Samba's future at the club.

If the reports of the fee are also true I think it is also a positive sign that Venky's will make funds available for the right signings. If they are prepared to spend £6m plus on a defender I would anticipate there should be no problem in spending £10m plus on a striker.

Not completely true.. if we have a 16m budget and spend 10m on defenders..

Wondering about Samba now as Nicko already said that the Mongo deal was more than they wanted to spend on that position... and now they are signing 2 for that position.

[artemorethanlabore]

I know that you have not directed your comments directly at me, however, I feel I should defend myself & anyone that has felt the way I do

I read this forum every day & have done so for many years, I come on to get the latest info & to indulge in the most eccentric rumors. Rumors that I & everyone else know are far from the truth but we all still indulge ourselves none the less

My above comments are not part of this self indulgence, it is to do with expectation.

Venkys promise top quality signings, Venkys have also promised Champions league football. Would you see Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs or city chasing Monongu? especially if there number one priority was a goal scorer??

No disrespect to Monongu, I hope that he turns out to be the next Chris Samba but Blackburn will not continue to unearth gems like Samba, if we want to achieve what the above clubs want i.e. Champions league football, we need to put our money where our mouth is & get the players that will achieve our goals!!!

Could you show me the quote where Venky's promised champions league football? I've heard it repeated many times, along with the 'venky lies'-line, but I don't remember seeing the owners actually promising us to be in the CL. I mean, was there a timeline involved?

[Bennisfromheaven]

I think Gandhi will rise from the dead and work down my local takeaway before we get Champions' League football.

Agreed

My point is that Venkys have lifted expectations with their comments & if they want to achieve their goals they must buy the right players otherwise they are making fools out of themselves & the fans!!

I am an optimistic person & want Venkys to prove everyone wrong. I am also willing to judge them on September 1st but the last week or two have not helped my optimism.

[Black Burn]

Venkys promise top quality signings, Venkys have also promised Champions league football. Would you see Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs or city chasing Monongu? especially if there number one priority was a goal scorer??

No disrespect to Monongu, I hope that he turns out to be the next Chris Samba but Blackburn will not continue to unearth gems like Samba, if we want to achieve what the above clubs want i.e. Champions league football, we need to put our money where our mouth is & get the players that will achieve our goals!!!

I respect your opinion and I think you are justified in thinking what you believe in; I just happen to disagree with you. That does not make you wrong - it's just that we have different point of views.

Actually, from what I have heard, Milan and Arsenal expressed an interest in Monongu. Not sure if my sources on that is accurate or if they are bull-you-know-what me. And what about Onuha? Never mind Monongu, just wanted your opinion on Onuha.

As for Champions League football, even the overly optimistic Kean admitted that we'll need four years to get to that level - that means we can't expect to be buying Champion Leagues level players now. As with Vivunic and Adebayor, they'll just turn us down.

[47er]

completely agree, people are far too fickle, but they will never change Black Burn - even if we do well and get a 10 spot finish, they will complain sayign we should have finished 9th, even if we stregnehen the team, it will be about who we lost in term sof players etc etc -when people have those mindsets, you cant` do right for wrong and there is no way the owners will win them over as they will always see negative, sometimes rightly justified, but often unjustified, its just some peoples genetic makeup to be that way.

I am pro-Venkys as I am always willing to give people the chance and benefit of the doubt in life, at work, with the football club I support and would rather be behind the movement fo teh club rather than criticse at every opportunity, but hey ho not everyone is like me.

Absolute bloody rubbish! If we finish 10th I'll be delirious and astonished in equal measure! I doubt whether anyone on here would be disappointed with that. Straw man argument

[Black Burn]

Absolute bloody rubbish! If we finish 10th I'll be delirious and astonished in equal measure! I doubt whether anyone on here would be disappointed with that. Straw man argument

I believe he was just making an example and that his example is not to be taken literally.

Well, at least no one can complain now that Venkys aren't going to sign a single player for this window...

[joey_big_nose]

Not completely true.. if we have a 16m budget and spend 10m on defenders..

Wondering about Samba now as Nicko already said that the Mongo deal was more than they wanted to spend on that position... and now they are signing 2 for that position.

If we are signing Moggers and Onuhoa then it seems pretty nailed on that we will be losing Samba. Absolutely no need for Samba, Givet, Nelsen, Hanley, Moggers and Onuhoa for two positions...

[Mandrake]

I for one completely agree with bennisfromheaven on this one. I have been/and am pro venkys (only thing I disagree on is the sacking of sam, and kean as the replacement).

A lot of the critisism they have recieved lately, are simply their own fault. You cannot run out and scream HUGE budget, STAR players, CHAMP league football, TOP 5 placements, BEST team to come - etc etc without raising expectations.

Imagine this: Venky's buys the club, says they have the financial clout to back its dealings in the future. End Of.

Then we (blackburn) buy Onouha, 6 mill, This Monaco guy 3 million -- and we suddenly hear some "bonus" rumours about a really good striker or two, like Cisse etc... I mean,,we would all be VERY satisfied.

But instead, Venky's have so far said one thing, done another - and promised the golden bird in the process. This is the main problem as it stands.

My strategy is: Completely ignore whatever Venkys say about their ambitions - pretend that I do not know anything about the owners at all, and only look to good signings as onouha and maybe this Monaco guy - thus I am pleased that the club finally is moving forward (compared to the ambitions we all have gotten used to under the trust - thus not even considering Champ League for now).

[Blue n White Rover]

If we are signing Moggers and Onuhoa then it seems pretty nailed on that we will be losing Samba. Absolutely no need for Samba, Givet, Nelsen, Hanley, Moggers and Onuhoa for two positions...

Onuhoa can play as a Full Back, Givet can play as a LB. That would leave and inexperienced Hanley, injury prone Nelsen, Samba and Moggers. Seems alright to me...

[niggit]

Givet now plays at left back though.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

I have given Venky's a chance and im still giving them a chance.

My issues dont involve the lack of activity or the likelihood of our first signing(s) being relatively unkown.

My concerns lie with how Venkys are going about their transfer activity and how we are seemingly missing out on players such as Piatti not through lack of money or lack of interest from the player, but through incompetence and a desire to run all the transfers through a committee.

I've stood up for Steve Kean on many occasions and have defended Venky's for their performance so far, but that was conditional on them producing results in these summer months.

So far all that seems clear is that they lack cohesion and a solid understanding of how the market works. This can be rectified quickly and given their proposed spending of £20m+ there is every chance that we'll have a vastly improved squad come September. However, it seems like the biggest obstacle to Venky's being a success in this window is Venky's themselves.

Its no time to panic, far from it, and nothing has gone dramatically wrong so far, but I fear that this lack of focus will lead to a mad rush to get players through the door come the end of August.

[Black Burn]

I heard that Onuoha can play all defensive positions, from leftback to centerback to rightback. So it shouldn't be a problem with the whole Samba thing. In fact Onuoha and Givet can play both leftback, and if Salgado gets injured, Onuoha can fill in for him, that's what I heard.

And apparently Mongungu is Samba's buddy in Congo or something, so maybe we're buying him to convince Samba to stay - two birds with one stone?

[Veevs]

Could you imagine us playing with a back 5 with @#/?, Onuoha and Samba in the middle.. would certainly scare me anyway...

[BangkokRover]

Could you imagine us playing with a back 5 with @#/?, Onuoha and Samba in the middle.. would certainly scare me anyway...

As frightening as Benjani and Roberts upfront?