Summer 2011 Transfer Window - Part 3.

[donnermeat]

Anyone rejoicing in the rumour that Kean might want to leave because his input has been knocked back needs their head checking.

If Kean wont put up with it, do you think any reputable manager would?

The reason they sacked Big Sam cos they knew he wouldn't put up with it. And I don't think he would travel to India every fortnight either. Have they never heard of conference calls...

[pick32]

Ferguson said last summer that Bebe was the first player he had signed without watching him play. He was bought for 7.5million and has just been sold for £900,000 a year later. Kean definitely needs to pick his own targets.

[Iceman]

umm, question for all those slating the multi lists... If Kean is the one to draw up the lists of the players who tick all the check boxes, then why hire scouts? Does anyone really think that someone like Kean can do all the match prep, training, player management, etc, and then immediately after the season know everything there is to know about every avilable player in the world of football and who is best suited both to the teams needs and financials? Really? Kean is supposed to do all that?

Shouldn't the process more logically go along the lines of:

- Kean outlines the team needs

- Scouts (and Kean possibly, and now for Rovers, Kentaro and SEM) create lists of players that tick those boxes

- Kean reviews/prioritises lists for suitability of team needs

- Backroom staff review list for preliminary financial and other similar issues (ie can we sign, can we afford to sign, can we pay the wage?)

- Team gets on board and consolidates around the actual target list.

- Chase and hopefully acquire targets.

What this all feels like to me is that the process of getting from the multiple scout lists to the actual target list is just getting ugly because you have so many agent/scout type folks around, and a backroom staff who just aren't yet up to speed on the logisics of making it happen,a nd perhaps even the Venky's folks seeing the world differently with the "big name" splash.

Granted, Steps 1 thru 3 at least all should have been done months ago, and 4 is an ongoing process I'm sure, but it feels like the multi lists came out from stage 2 because the unorthodox organization Rovers have at the moment means there's some in-fighting over consolidating the lists.

yes, but what happens, when there is a slight conflict of interest? Kean wants player A, there is enough money, player A wants to come, but Advisors says no. it is bound to happen, especially when there is no chairman on board. It should have been, scouts, Kean and John Williams or some other chairman.

[donnermeat]

Ferguson said last summer that Bebe was the first player he had signed without watching him play. He was bought for 7.5million and has just been sold for £900,000 a year later. Kean definitely needs to pick his own targets.

He has been loaned to besiktas

[Speedie Dived]

Ferguson said last summer that Bebe was the first player he had signed without watching him play. He was bought for 7.5million and has just been sold for £900,000 a year later. Kean definitely needs to pick his own targets.

Fergie has bought plenty of players that he has seen that turned out to be poor. Likewise managers have bought players they never seen and turned out to be good. It does not matter who picks them, it's about the quality of the player

[bluebruce]

Ferguson said last summer that Bebe was the first player he had signed without watching him play. He was bought for 7.5million and has just been sold for £900,000 a year later. Kean definitely needs to pick his own targets.

Think that's the loan fee mate...which isn't half bad.

[beastlove]

This is what worries me, why has nobody been in for him? He is a top quality player, so unless something is wrong with him ie injured, not sure why nobody has made an approach. i could be wrong though, and there are clubs in for him.

Has anyone actually seen this guy play? Or is it all "he is ace on Football Manager. Lets get him".

[Fife Rover]

Trueso. I have been thinking about this and I guess what is happening at board level is the execs are sitting round asking the question – "what is going to give us a return on essentially was is a marketing venture?" And the feeling must be that big names do the job in terms of making an impact than building a good team from small profile players. That's a false economy though because if we blow our budget on Ronaldinhos or whatever, they flop and Rovers fail then Venkys will only get known as a badly managed mickey mouse outfit.

What we could have is a bunch of people who had a model when they came in which is not going to work in terms of building a successful football team. What I worry about is that once this sinks in the desire to pump in the big funds bandied about will evaporate as they just won't get the marketing return that justifies the expenditure.

If (and it's a hell of a big IF) the Venkys do come to realise that the only way to actually achieve the objective that they are apparently interested in is to proceed patiently by buiding and improving the team over say the next 3 or 4 seasons,then we will have moved into a top 6 or 7 position. From there on the respect and recognition that they crave will follow naturally and without any suggestion of the ridicule that has befallen us since their takeover. Slowly slowly is the only way to do it.

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BBC 1 21.30 tonight anyone??

[USRoverME]

Ferguson said last summer that Bebe was the first player he had signed without watching him play. He was bought for 7.5million and has just been sold for £900,000 a year later. Kean definitely needs to pick his own targets.

And how do you think Fergie was alerted to that player in order to go watch him? Scouts play a huge role in forming even Fergie's opinion of a player even if he does decide to check the player with his own eyes first.

Its also a bit easier for someone like Fergie. Anyone he's looking at will be playing internationals (youth or full) when ManU is largely on break. Its a bit more tough to fit in a visit to scout a player yourself when his team plays on the continent on the same day or next day following your own team's game. And of course you never know if Fergie was lying or if "seeing a player play" needs to be a full team game, or a practice, trial, closed door scrim, etc...

Anyways, its a bit tangential to actual transfers, but I guess my point is that I'm worried, but not full doom and gloom yet on the capability of the club to do deals, yet.

After all they did pull off a few in the winter window, so they are not totally inept, unless Finn and Williams were just THAT important.

[liam]

BBC 1 21.30 tonight anyone??

She would make a crackin defender

[donnermeat]

If (and it's a hell of a big IF) the Venkys do come to realise that the only way to actually achieve the objective that they are apparently interested in is to proceed patiently by buiding and improving the team over say the next 3 or 4 seasons,then we will have moved into a top 6 or 7 position. From there on the respect and recognition that they crave will follow naturally and without any suggestion of the ridicule that has befallen us since their takeover. Slowly slowly is the only way to do it.

This. Never a more true word spoken. It took city 3 years and they have a bottomless pit spending massive money to get into champs league. So with Venky's (hopefully) spending regularly in the coming seasons then we can be regular top 6/7. I know its a big ask though...

[jimmymcmahon]

BBC 1 21.30 tonight anyone??

Miranda ? O I see !

[Majiball]

Fergie has bought plenty of players that he has seen that turned out to be poor. Likewise managers have bought players they never seen and turned out to be good. It does not matter who picks them, it's about the quality of the player

Or about the quality of the recruitment process.

[AJW]

i might be a bit old fashioned but i think the manager has to have final say on incoming transfer's , ok Kean may not be universally liked by all fans , but he is the manager ,and if he picks a player and the board are happy to meet the financial side then for me thats it , you just cant have outsiders saying "no don't get that player get this player instead" and drawing up alternative lists to the managers!!

[beastlove]

I think everyone should relax and just wait a bit before jumping on the anti-keane, Venky band wagon. Instead of looking at Rovers in isolation let us look at the premiership as a whole. Out of 20 clubs, Rovers are 1 of 12 clubs not to sign anyone yet. 60% of clubs haven't signed anyone!. We are not alone! 80% of transfer go through in the last week of the window. I know we all want signings but moaning will not make it happen quicker. If the transfer window ends and we have signed c**P or no one then we can moan.

Arsenal - signed no one - looks like three of the best players will leave.

Aston Villa - signed no one - two of the best players leave.

Rovers - signed no one - lost Jones.

Bolton - signed some chap from Swansea - lost one striker.

Chelsea - signed no one

Everton - signed no one

Fulham - signed no one

Liverpool - a few signing so far

Man City - no one

Man Utd - a few signing so far

Newcastle - a few signing so far

Norwich - who cares

QPR - signed championship players - best player will leave - big season ticket hum

Stoke - signed no one

Sunderland - a few signings

Swansea - One player in and one out

Spurs - no one

West Brom - no one

Wigan - no one

Wolves - - no one

Burnley - In Messi, Ronaldo, Beckham, Rooney and Xavi. Out: Alexander

[DE.]

I think everyone should relax and just wait a bit before jumping on the anti-keane, Venky band wagon. Instead of looking at Rovers in isolation let us look at the premiership as a whole. Out of 20 clubs, Rovers are 1 of 12 clubs not to sign anyone yet. 60% of clubs haven't signed anyone!. We are not alone! 80% of transfer go through in the last week of the window. I know we all want signings but moaning will not make it happen quicker. If the transfer window ends and we have signed c**P or no one then we can moan.

Arsenal - signed no one - looks like three of the best players will leave.

Aston Villa - signed no one - two of the best players leave.

Rovers - signed no one - lost Jones.

Bolton - signed some chap from Swansea - lost one striker.

Chelsea - signed no one

Everton - signed no one

Fulham - signed no one

Liverpool - a few signing so far

Man City - no one

Man Utd - a few signing so far

Newcastle - a few signing so far

Norwich - who cares

QPR - signed championship players - best player will leave - big season ticket hum

Stoke - signed no one

Sunderland - a few signings

Swansea - One player in and one out

Spurs - no one

West Brom - no one

Wigan - no one

Wolves - - no one

Burnley - In Messi, Ronaldo, Beckham, Rooney and Xavi. Out: Alexander

Wolves have made 2 signings, O'Hara & Swansea's keeper.

But yeah, your overall point is valid. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking to wrap up deals early though.

[Speedie Dived]

i might be a bit old fashioned but i think the manager has to have final say on incoming transfer's , ok Kean may not be universally liked by all fans , but he is the manager ,and if he picks a player and the board are happy to meet the financial side then for me thats it , you just cant have outsiders saying "no don't get that player get this player instead" and drawing up alternative lists to the managers!!

I agree, the manager has to have the final say. But total control throughout a football club is a dieing phase. And we are the only country that operates this way.

For me, the most sound structure in a club is the continental DOF (Looks after transfers) and Coach (Picks team). Not the half arsed attempt at it that several clubs have tried in this country. The DOF and coach MUST be appointed at the same time together.

That's why i think if Venkys let Kentaro sort the transfers out and ask Kean who he wants, it could work

[daveoftherovers]

I think everyone should relax and just wait a bit before jumping on the anti-keane, Venky band wagon. Instead of looking at Rovers in isolation let us look at the premiership as a whole. Out of 20 clubs, Rovers are 1 of 12 clubs not to sign anyone yet. 60% of clubs haven't signed anyone!. We are not alone! 80% of transfer go through in the last week of the window. I know we all want signings but moaning will not make it happen quicker. If the transfer window ends and we have signed c**P or no one then we can moan.

Arsenal - signed no one - looks like three of the best players will leave.

Aston Villa - signed no one - two of the best players leave.

Rovers - signed no one - lost Jones.

Bolton - signed some chap from Swansea - lost one striker.

Chelsea - signed no one

Everton - signed no one

Fulham - signed no one

Liverpool - a few signing so far

Man City - no one

Man Utd - a few signing so far

Newcastle - a few signing so far

Norwich - who cares

QPR - signed championship players - best player will leave - big season ticket hum

Stoke - signed no one

Sunderland - a few signings

Swansea - One player in and one out

Spurs - no one

West Brom - no one

Wigan - no one

Wolves - - no one

Burnley - In Messi, Ronaldo, Beckham, Rooney and Xavi. Out: Alexander

Liking your work beast, good post!

[booth]

I think everyone should relax and just wait a bit before jumping on the anti-keane, Venky band wagon. Instead of looking at Rovers in isolation let us look at the premiership as a whole. Out of 20 clubs, Rovers are 1 of 12 clubs not to sign anyone yet. 60% of clubs haven't signed anyone!. We are not alone! 80% of transfer go through in the last week of the window. I know we all want signings but moaning will not make it happen quicker. If the transfer window ends and we have signed c**P or no one then we can moan.

I think it's more the reasons (or the reported reasons by Nicko) that people are getting restless.

Have you read what Alan posted earlier in the thread?

[Gav]

I think everyone should relax and just wait a bit before jumping on the anti-keane, Venky band wagon. Instead of looking at Rovers in isolation let us look at the premiership as a whole. Out of 20 clubs, Rovers are 1 of 12 clubs not to sign anyone yet. 60% of clubs haven't signed anyone!. We are not alone! 80% of transfer go through in the last week of the window. I know we all want signings but moaning will not make it happen quicker. If the transfer window ends and we have signed c**P or no one then we can moan.

Arsenal - signed no one - looks like three of the best players will leave.

Aston Villa - signed no one - two of the best players leave.

Rovers - signed no one - lost Jones.

Bolton - signed some chap from Swansea - lost one striker.

Chelsea - signed no one

Everton - signed no one

Fulham - signed no one

Liverpool - a few signing so far

Man City - no one

Man Utd - a few signing so far

Newcastle - a few signing so far

Norwich - who cares

QPR - signed championship players - best player will leave - big season ticket hum

Stoke - signed no one

Sunderland - a few signings

Swansea - One player in and one out

Spurs - no one

West Brom - no one

Wigan - no one

Wolves - - no one

Burnley - In Messi, Ronaldo, Beckham, Rooney and Xavi. Out: Alexander

Can we ban this member please mods? sensible posts will not tollerated

[Mattyblue]

The signing of nobody is not the issue for me, it is quiet everywhere, message boards of other clubs are in meltdown as well from what I've seen.

It is this 'committee' palava that has me worried, sounds like a complete farcial way of doing transfer business.

[booth]

Can we please ban this member please mods? sensible posts will not tollerated

You're right it's sensible, but totally missing the point of why a lot of people are concerned.

[neophox]

What about making a bid for Southamptons Alex Chamberlain, the kid is a future England man!

[michaelthomas]

Arsenal - signed no one - looks like three of the best players will leave.

Fabregas & Nasri yes, but Clichy one of their best? Come on now, let's not get daft. I know thats hard for this board, but lets try