Summer 2011 Transfer Window - Part 3.

[leerovers1980]

stoke close to agreeing deal to sign carlton cole for 6 million, isn't he worth he gamble rather than spend 8.5 on a unknown from a Danish league

[A cup of beans]

Yes, its a pointless favour, but signing JSC at least had a point.

I wouldn't even call signing JSC a favour, more like a desperation act to keep rocky.

it was a favour, however you dress it up. we agree!

staggering how JSC was given a 3 yr contract!

[John]

I am always surprised the way some fans react to losing your best/better players, there seems to be a casual acceptance that it won't weaken you – you do have to replace them you know.

Not a problem if you can buy decent/quality replacements but if you don’t then trouble is ahead....

[jim mk2]

stoke close to agreeing deal to sign carlton cole for 6 million, isn't he worth he gamble rather than spend 8.5 on a unknown from a Danish league

Cor blimey, luvvaduck ask West Ham fans their opinion of Cole .... it's not complimentary.

Having said that he's better than our "strikers".

[LeChuck]

miles' signing has done nothing for us yet. i expect him to be useless (from what ive heard about him) so if he's any better than useless, its a bonus!

JSC looked like he'd never seen a football, whenever i saw him play for the reserves.

again.. a favour is a favour, makes little difference as to reasons.

Of course it makes a difference.

We signed JSC to try and keep our multi-million pound, star striker happy at the club. We were trying to protect our main asset.

Myles (not Miles you tit) was signed as a favour to an agent. Why should we be doing that?

[leerovers1980]

Cor blimey, luvvaduck ask West Ham fans their opinion of Cole .... it's not complimentary.

Having said that he's better than our "strikers".

yeh dont rate him highly but is there anything better out there for 6 million or do you think 8.5 mill for a player from fc Copenhagen that no1 has heard of is the way to go

[A cup of beans]

stoke close to agreeing deal to sign carlton cole for 6 million, isn't he worth he gamble rather than spend 8.5 on a unknown from a Danish league

6m for cole.. worth a punt ?? erm... for me cole is lazy and overhyped - as his record shows! his goals are in brackets!

20012006 Chelsea 25 (4)

20022003 → Wolverhampton Wanderers (loan) 7 (1)

20032004 → Charlton Athletic (loan) 21 (4)

20042005 → Aston Villa (loan) 27 (3)

2006 West Ham United 140 (31)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Cole

Of course it makes a difference.

We signed JSC to try and keep our multi-million pound, star striker happy at the club. We were trying to protect our main asset.

Myles (not Miles you tit) was signed as a favour to an agent. Why should we be doing that?

who you calling tit.. monkey boy ? (i draw that conclusion from your avatar).

i know its a favour.. and explained why we may have done it! read what ive written.

[Bennisfromheaven]

Well, before you blast the Venkys, take the following into consideration:

Told by who that the purchases have failed due to the asking price? By the same source that linked us to them?

1: I stand by my claim that Alan Nixon is trustworthy and honest, but you must realize that he is not 100% right on everything he says. Just because he linked us to a player doesn't mean we are definitely going for that player, and there might be other issues that the club has other than asking price. I think it's fine if you believe Nicko, but do keep in mind he's not infallible and will make mistakes as all humans do.

2: Venkys have not officially come out and say we are going for them. The only thing linking us to them are media reports. It's fine if you think media reports are more trustworthy than Venkys, though.

Bear in mind I could be wrong, and I am not arguing that Venkys should let them go. I would be happier if they bought Piatti and Wistel but I'm not about to jump into conclusions here based solely on what I heard from Alan Nixon and the media. I am in no way saying that they are not to be trusted, but I think it's best to take everything we hear with a pinch of salt.

I am sorry Black Burn but you really do seem to take people up wrong, I suggest you read post carefully before commenting on everyones posts

I have repeatedly said that I hope the owners succeed, I also believe in caution

The owners have set out a model when buying the club & have said that they will spend money if it makes sense

NOW, this is where my opinion comes in

Witsel & Piatti fit the bill .....young, potential to be excellent players & not costing the earth

But so far this summer every time we are linked to such players we seem to be out of the race before it begun

I know you have not been around here too long & others on the board may disagree with me when I say this but Alan Nixon has been right more than he has been wrong in the past & if he is unsure about info he hears he does not tend to post it!!

We will all agree that things have been very strange over the last few weeks & this is why I cannot remain as optimistic has i have done, as there is more proof to say we are going downwards since the owners took over than suggests we are on the up

[47er]

My bad, I was referring to Champions League players when I talked about top-class players. Hence my admission the second time that Piatti and Cisse can be considered top-class players.

My point was more that we shouldn't be expecting Champions League players coming to Ewood rather than the top-class players' reluctance to join. I worded my sentences inappropriately and I apologize for that.

OK. I agree that we shouldn't expect players at the very apex of the game to want to come to Ewood. But players of the quality of Cisse and Piatti evidently would if the owners would pay.That's my point.

So I don't know any longer what is the model or vision for the club. Its clearly not the stated one of Top 4 or Top 6. It might be Top 10 if we're lucky. And I personally would have been happy with that if I didn't feel conned from all the PR bull-s**t that's plagued this club ever since Venkys arrived.

But I'm left wondering, from the lowering of sights on our club rifle, whether we will just be fighting Wigan for 15th/16th place?

In which case we'd have had a damned sight better chance with a) an experienced and capable manger a clear admin structure with lines of responsibility and C) people like Finn/Williams capable of doing their job.

I thought that Venkys could cover the deficiencies by buying better players than we've been used to of late while gradually learning what the club needed. But if they can't or won't even do that, if we are reduced to the 2.5m bargain bin like before they came, then

what on earth is going to become of us?

Its a couple of day since I asked "does anyone think we'll have a stronger squad this coming season than last?" A couple of posters thought it could be possible but that's about it. The ones who usually come out with the "agenda stuff" went missing.

We have lost Jones and Jones. We are likely to lose Samba. There must be a real chance of losing Hoilett with the lack of ambition and success in the transfer market to date (and I know its only July.) Those 4 are our best outfield players and did more than any others to keep us up. And we nearly went down! It would cost 50M to replace them with equal quality-if Venkys would pay it, if they'd come to Ewood.

Sorry, that's a long post but I feel we are sleep-walking into disaster. No agenda, other than the good of the club, no hysteria, just genuine sorrow.

[chris]

6m for cole.. worth a punt ?? erm... for me cole is lazy and overhyped - as his record shows! his goals are in brackets!

2001–2006 Chelsea 25 (4)

2002–2003 → Wolverhampton Wanderers (loan) 7 (1)

2003–2004 → Charlton Athletic (loan) 21 (4)

2004–2005 → Aston Villa (loan) 27 (3)

2006– West Ham United 140 (31)

that is pretty poor record on paper and I heard that west Ham fans don't like him too.

6m seems too high, but I think he has played for england so thats a motive for WH to claim a few extra pounds.

[Bazrakats]

Like Hoillet we must keep N'zonzi.

Players like them are what we are building are squad doubt we could even replace him for 5 Million.

[Black Burn]

I am sorry Black Burn but you really do seem to take people up wrong, I suggest you read post carefully before commenting on everyones posts

I have repeatedly said that I hope the owners succeed, I also believe in caution

The owners have set out a model when buying the club & have said that they will spend money if it makes sense

NOW, this is where my opinion comes in

Witsel & Piatti fit the bill .....young, potential to be excellent players & not costing the earth

But so far this summer every time we are linked to such players we seem to be out of the race before it begun

I know you have not been around here too long & others on the board may disagree with me when I say this but Alan Nixon has been right more than he has been wrong in the past & if he is unsure about info he hears he does not tend to post it!!

We will all agree that things have been very strange over the last few weeks & this is why I cannot remain as optimistic has i have done, as there is more proof to say we are going downwards since the owners took over than suggests we are on the up

I apologize if I offend you, but I think you misunderstood me as well. I am aware that you want the owners to succeed as well, and that you approve of caution.

What I meant is, yes, Witsel and Piatti are young, have the potential to be excellent players at a reasonable fee. I would want them in Blackburn if I have it my way.

But what my point was that just because we are linked to the players by the media doesn't mean we are definitely getting them. This can be seen as stupidity or inaction or indifference on Venkys's part by their critics, or as Alan Nixon said money problems or whatever.

But the issue here is that it wasn't Venkys who said they are bidding for the players. It was the media. And I think it would be a good idea to take everything the media says with a pinch of salt. Yes, Piatti and Witsel are players who fit into the scheme. We should go for them if possible. But if Venkys think differently, then we won't get them no matter how much we wish for it. And what causes them to think differently could be their fault, or it could be something else. But they didn't promise to get those players - are they obligated to buy Piatti and Witsel for the fans? I'm not sure.

I agree that Alan Nixon is a reliable source, but this could be one of the few times he is wrong. That is my point here. Perhaps he is 99.9% right all the time, but the news he brings now might jusft fall into the 0.1% category. He is after all, not God. He shouldn't be able to see the whole picture.

I'm not saying you are wrong and I agree with what you are saying. What I am adding is that it might be premature to conclude WHY the Venkys are hesistant in buying Piatti and Witsel. I'm not rebutting any of your points.

[A cup of beans]

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/8893/7/blackburn-facing-fight-keep-nzonzi?

I have now.

Nzonzi

if any1 is offering fortunes for him.. 8-10M bracket

id seriously consider selling him.

dont get me wrong! im a fan of his.. great 1st season. but didnt look as comfortable or have the same impact last season.. whether that was due to the injuries or change in playing style.. from the direct to more possession based, i dunno.

[leerovers1980]

if any1 is offering fortunes for him.. 8-10M bracket

id seriously consider selling him.

dont get me wrong! im a fan of his.. great 1st season. but didnt look as comfortable or have the same impact last season.. whether that was due to the injuries or change in playing style.. from the direct to more possession based, i dunno.

i think the back end of the season once he was fully over his injuries he played a very important part in keeping us up and looked back to his best, he still has age on his side, i wouldnt let him go for that much, how many mid fielders at his age can you pick up these days for 8 mill, look at henderson 20 mill

[AJW]

stoke close to agreeing deal to sign carlton cole for 6 million, isn't he worth he gamble rather than spend 8.5 on a unknown from a Danish league

Was thinking the same thing , what is this fascination with paying £10m+ for unknown strikers who may end up being another Kalinic ? when we could buy players like Bellamy or Crouch or Cole ,or someone else who may not be as glamourous but you know what you're getting

[jim mk2]

if any1 is offering fortunes for him.. 8-10M bracket

id seriously consider selling him.

dont get me wrong! im a fan of his.. great 1st season. but didnt look as comfortable or have the same impact last season.. whether that was due to the injuries or change in playing style.. from the direct to more possession based, i dunno.

Those last 2 words in your post are the most significant.

If you think selling N'Zonzi is a good idea you really don't know anything.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

Its not whether Nzonzi is worth £10m or not, its whether we're going to be able to replace him. There's enough going on without needing to replace yet another player. We cannot afford to lose any more first team players. We need to find another J.Jones, replace P.Jones and purchase at least one more striker. That's enough for this summer I think.

[A cup of beans]

that is pretty poor record on paper and I heard that west Ham fans don't like him too.

6m seems too high, but I think he has played for england so thats a motive for WH to claim a few extra pounds.

west ham are lucky stoke are interested. theyre willing to part with 6m for him and continue to pay over the odds for players (it worked for em last season.. but may bite them in future ones!)

[leerovers1980]

west ham are lucky stoke are interested. theyre willing to part with 6m for him and continue to pay over the odds for players (it worked for em last season.. but may bite them in future ones!)

i think he the kind of player that will thrive under pulis , look what he done with pennant, they need a replacement for carew and i think cole is perfect for them he will get the best out of him

[A cup of beans]

Those last 2 words in your post are the most significant.

If you think selling N'Zonzi is a good idea you really don't know anything.

so do you think nzonzi was as good last season.. or looked as comfortable for us ?

is he irreplacable ?? really?

TEN MILLION POUNDS!

[John]

I thought Nzonzi looked very good at the end of last season.

[Amo]

if any1 is offering fortunes for him.. 8-10M bracket

id seriously consider selling him.

dont get me wrong! im a fan of his.. great 1st season. but didnt look as comfortable or have the same impact last season.. whether that was due to the injuries or change in playing style.. from the direct to more possession based, i dunno.

We have to keep the nucleus of the squad, especially as new signings aren't forthcoming. How are we supposed to move forward if we keep raffling off our best players? After some second-season syndrome and injuries, Nzonzi came into his own and was back to his best, especially with the partnership he forged with JJ. Having to replace TWO key midfielders AND a centre-back, whilst recruiting elsewhere, will be beyond us.

[davulsukur]

Selling N'zonzi is madness, leaves us with no central midfielders. Grella is discounted as a player as far as i am concerned and Keef is well......Keef

[JW11]

Really can't see that article being true. Like someone said he had one good season and last year due to being injury plagued it seems strange that clubs would be that interested in him. It's come rather out the blue too

[JAL]

Those last 2 words in your post are the most significant.

If you think selling N'Zonzi is a good idea you really don't know anything.

Think hes in on this Indian/Rao scam to fleece us all and raid our cupboards ......