[Archived] Rumour: Venky's To Sell?

[Speedie Dived]

Don't get me wrong, I am not defending Venkys (they haven't done anything for me to be able to defend them yet), but many people seem to think our problems will just disappear or be solved if Venkys sell the club or if they chase Venkys out.

For starters, if you guys really want Venkys to sell the club, look for a buyer who's willing to buy the club. Chanting "Venkys out" won't find us any buyers, and may possibly scare away potential buyers because they will end up perceiving that whenever there's a failure they will be chased out.

I'm not saying Venkys is awesome or doing great at the moment. You want to protest, go ahead. Hold demonstrations. Sit outside their London branch. But chasing them out is not a practical solution. Debts won't disappear and players won't sign for Blackburn just because Venkys got chased out. We won't be able to hire a decent manager just because Venkys are gone.

Let's think of more practical solutions, like I don't know, demonstrate outside their office or something? Or at least look for a potential buyer and convincing him to buy the club before chanting "Venkys out"?

Some people suggested that the fans pitch in and buy the club from Venkys and run it themselves (a fan-run club like in Brazil, they claim). I would like to ask a question, after you raised enough funds to buy our club from Venkys, how are you going to run the club and get new players? Are you going to start raising funds again so that we can afford new players?

Venkys are here to stay, like it or not. If they're screwing up, we should do something about it. But chasing them out is not the solution.

Venkys PR machine still in full working order i see. Can set your watch by it

[John]

By the way, what happened to the director of football position - would have been sensible to have had any appointment in from the start of the transfer window.

[Athlete]

You misunderstand me...I didn't say I think differently.

I said, if the need for a solution arises, we need to think about how to solve the problem, and chasing Venkys out will not solve the problem.

No matter how deluded, incompetent or whatever they are, kicking them out won't make our club debt-free (if we were in debt), sign new players and survive relegation next season.

You want to kick them out, at least find a potential buyer before chanting "Venkys out".

Otherwise you're just making empty threata against them, and they know it. So why not sit down and think of a more practical solution?

Seriously think mrs D & the raos are smoking some potent weed

Empty threats..? Hows the weather in pune tonight ?....pal fans of other clubs even think venkys are tripping..

Empty threats..? Hows the weather in pune tonight ?....pal fans of other clubs even think venkys are tripping..

[Black Burn]

You misunderstand me, we will struggle to get a top manager and top players with these clowns in charge, football clubs wont work with people like that, Mrs D may be respected in India, but not here, she is thought of in a very poor light here.

Believe me, there are buyers out there, waiting for Venkys to lose a real packet and then buy the club for virtually nothing!!

Unfortunately when Venkys have finished with the club, it will be in a bigger state than Pearl Harbour when the Japs left it!!

And my point is...will we get a top manager and top players if we kick them out?

If there are buyers out there, then get them to buy Blackburn Rovers. No point saying there are buyers when they are "waiting for Venkys tolose a real packet and then buy the club for virtually nothing" - doesn't that make them the same as Venkys, with the interest of Blackburn Rovers way down the bottom of their list?

And for God's sake I am NOT Venkys PR machine. Did you see me defending Venkys? Did I justify their actions? Did I deny that they are having problems? Open your eyes, Speedie and Athelete, and read my posts carefully. You are so anti-Venkys that even a neutral statement made by me is seen as pro-Venkys and Venkys PR.

For the record, I didn't say Venkys are great owners with vision and everything will be all right if we leave them in charge.

Like Kelbo said, there are supposedly buyers out there who want to buy Blackburn Rovers after Venkys ruin us and bring us down to low value.

So...is that how we should save our club? By depending on other buyers who may be no better than Venkys?

Or are we going to look for an alternative solution, such as...I don't know, persuading Venkys to invest in the club, rioting outside their damn branch office or demonstrate in Ewood Park?

No point crying Venkys out when there's not a buyer in sight, and if the buyers Kelbo claim exist then no point relying on them either since they seem to be in for a quick buck rather than the welfare of Blackburn Rovers.

But if you want to close your eyes and pretend my every word is Venkys PR, then go ahead. It doesn't make you any less delusional than those you slam for believing things are fine. You think people are deluded for believing everything at Ewood is fine (and I'll make myself clear, I am not one of them). But aren't you guys deluded in believing everything will be solved if we kick Venkys out?

Overthrow one dictator, only to be replaced by another.

We live in hope someone will come along and inject some cash and have BRFC at heart

And that makes you less deluded than those who live in hope that Venkys will get their act together and invest everything they have in BRFC?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Venkys are going to get their act together or invest in the club, but hoping that a fairy godmother in the form of a buyer comes along and buy our club has the same probability of that happening. Double standards much?

[chaddyrovers]

By the way, what happened to the director of football position - would have been sensible to have had any appointment in from the start of the transfer window.

I agree with that john.

does anybody know how Kean meeting went with the owners today?

are we going to be signing any players this transfer window?

it is a totally farce that we haven't sign any players so far!!!

[Majiball]

Will posted the above in The Transfer Thread. However it has subsequently been removed, probably due to the high volume of posts in that thread. Either way it's probably better in here. Hopefully this graphic will be included in the next BRFCS Podcast for Venky's to consider.

Can I add in asap?

heard ryan nelsen is with him!

if its right.. i deserve more respect! who's gonna tell cryer ?

please tell them all about the tail end of last season, thanks Ryan.

[Kelbo]

And my point is...will we get a top manager and top players if we kick them out?

If there are buyers out there, then get them to buy Blackburn Rovers. No point saying there are buyers when they are "waiting for Venkys tolose a real packet and then buy the club for virtually nothing" - doesn't that make them the same as Venkys, with the interest of Blackburn Rovers way down the bottom of their list?

And for God's sake I am NOT Venkys PR machine. Did you see me defending Venkys? Did I justify their actions? Did I deny that they are having problems? Open your eyes, Speedie and Athelete, and read my posts carefully. You are so anti-Venkys that even a neutral statement made by me is seen as pro-Venkys and Venkys PR.

For the record, I didn't say Venkys are great owners with vision and everything will be all right if we leave them in charge.

Like Kelbo said, there are supposedly buyers out there who want to buy Blackburn Rovers after Venkys ruin us and bring us down to low value.

So...is that how we should save our club? By depending on other buyers who may be no better than Venkys?

Or are we going to look for an alternative solution, such as...I don't know, persuading Venkys to invest in the club, rioting outside their damn branch office or demonstrate in Ewood Park?

No point crying Venkys out when there's not a buyer in sight, and if the buyers Kelbo claim exist then no point relying on them either since they seem to be in for a quick buck rather than the welfare of Blackburn Rovers.

But if you want to close your eyes and pretend my every word is Venkys PR, then go ahead. It doesn't make you any less delusional than those you slam for believing things are fine. You think people are deluded for believing everything at Ewood is fine (and I'll make myself clear, I am not one of them). But aren't you guys deluded in believing everything will be solved if we kick Venkys out?

Overthrow one dictator, only to be replaced by another.

And that makes you less deluded than those who live in hope that Venkys will get their act together and invest everything they have in BRFC?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Venkys are going to get their act together or invest in the club, but hoping that a fairy godmother in the form of a buyer comes along and buy our club has the same probability of happening. Double standards much?

Dictators are one thing, idiots are another, I was always taught, in management, you always put the right people around you, that makes you succeed, Kean = Fail - Kentaro = Fail - Anderson = Fail!!

[gumboots]

And my point is...will we get a top manager and top players if we kick them out?

If there are buyers out there, then get them to buy Blackburn Rovers. No point saying there are buyers when they are "waiting for Venkys tolose a real packet and then buy the club for virtually nothing" - doesn't that make them the same as Venkys, with the interest of Blackburn Rovers way down the bottom of their list?

And for God's sake I am NOT Venkys PR machine. Did you see me defending Venkys? Did I justify their actions? Did I deny that they are having problems? Open your eyes, Speedie and Athelete, and read my posts carefully. You are so anti-Venkys that even a neutral statement made by me is seen as pro-Venkys and Venkys PR.

For the record, I didn't say Venkys are great owners with vision and everything will be all right if we leave them in charge.

Like Kelbo said, there are supposedly buyers out there who want to buy Blackburn Rovers after Venkys ruin us and bring us down to low value.

So...is that how we should save our club? By depending on other buyers who may be no better than Venkys?

Or are we going to look for an alternative solution, such as...I don't know, persuading Venkys to invest in the club, rioting outside their damn branch office or demonstrate in Ewood Park?

No point crying Venkys out when there's not a buyer in sight, and if the buyers Kelbo claim exist then no point relying on them either since they seem to be in for a quick buck rather than the welfare of Blackburn Rovers.

But if you want to close your eyes and pretend my every word is Venkys PR, then go ahead. It doesn't make you any less delusional than those you slam for believing things are fine. You think people are deluded for believing everything at Ewood is fine (and I'll make myself clear, I am not one of them). But aren't you guys deluded in believing everything will be solved if we kick Venkys out?

Overthrow one dictator, only to be replaced by another.

I don't for one minute think anyone thinks everything will be solved if we get rid of Venkys as owners. There is too much that they have broken for there to be any quick fixes. The point is that we don't want them to be trying to do the fixing because they'll most likely only make things worse. We needed to be bought - our previous owners didn't want us, but it is questionable whether they could have found a more useless set of new owners if they had tried. To be honest I can't see how any new owners, if anyone was daft enough to buy our club at the moment, could make a much worse job. It is simplistic to just say Venky's out - we know that - but without that first step we cannot begin to rebuild our club and our reputation. I can't see what they could do now to get back the goodwill and eventual support of the fans unless they had a vast sum to spend and brought in a really good manager and chairman to oversee a complete rebuild. Since we don't even seem to have cash to buy an average player or two, the chances of that happening would seem more remote than my winning the lottery - and i don't even buy a ticket.

[tony gale's mic]

Here's a thought (not a conspiracy theory though!).

If you were a Burnley fan and tried to destroy Rovers, would you have done things that differently to what Venky's have done so far?

[Kelbo]

I don't for one minute think anyone thinks everything will be solved if we get rid of Venkys as owners. There is too much that they have broken for there to be any quick fixes. The point is that we don't want them to be trying to do the fixing because they'll most likely only make things worse. We needed to be bought - our previous owners didn't want us, but it is questionable whether they could have found a more useless set of new owners if they had tried. To be honest I can't see how any new owners, if anyone was daft enough to buy our club at the moment, could make a much worse job. It is simplistic to just say Venky's out - we know that - but without that first step we cannot begin to rebuild our club and our reputation. I can't see what they could do now to get back the goodwill and eventual support of the fans unless they had a vast sum to spend and brought in a really good manager and chairman to oversee a complete rebuild. Since we don't even seem to have cash to buy an average player or two, the chances of that happening would seem more remote than my winning the lottery - and i don't even buy a ticket.

Excellent post and just after breaking up for your jollies

[Black Burn]

Dictators are one thing, idiots are another, I was always taught, in management, you always put the right people around you, that makes you succeed, Kean = Fail - Kentaro = Fail - Anderson = Fail!!

I will not deny that.

But if you really know who the potential buyers are, now is the time to start writing to them and persuading them that buying Rovers will be a profitable venture (or whatever reason you can think of) rather than just hold signboards in Ewood Park screaming "Venkys out!"

As for ma'am Gumboots, I agree with you, but I think the first step should be securing a buyer before kicking the Venkys out, or at least have Venkys replacement ready before you oust them. Otherwise the club isn't going to run without an owner. It's not like kicking out a manager. You actually need owners and their funds to run the club.

The alternative would be to give Venkys the chance to repair their mistakes, but I understand that most people here are not too fond of that option. Like you said, most fans have lost confidence in their ability to do that.

However, drastic action is needed more than talking. We can chant "Venkys out" all day but that doesn't make us any different from Venkys who promise us signings and to date haven't delivered.

[gumboots]

Excellent post and just after breaking up for your jollies

Must be the after effects of the "champagne" the Head gave us to toast the new school with after we worked as removal men for 3 days.

[Kelbo]

I will not deny that.

But if you really know who the potential buyers are, now is the time to start writing to them and persuading them that buying Rovers will be a profitable venture (or whatever reason you can think of) rather than just hold signboards in Ewood Park screaming "Venkys out!"

As for ma'am Gumboots, I agree with you, but I think the first step should be securing a buyer before kicking the Venkys out, or at least have Venkys replacement ready before you oust them. Otherwise the club isn't going to run without an owner. It's not like kicking out a manager. You actually need owners and their funds to run the club.

The alternative would be to give Venkys the chance to repair their mistakes, but I understand that most people here are not too fond of that option. Like you said, most fans have lost confidence in their ability to do that.

However, drastic action is needed more than talking. We can chant "Venkys out" all day but that doesn't make us any different from Venkys who promise us signings and to date haven't delivered.

Black Burn,

I hear your comments, repair mistakes? preventative management is good management, repairing mistakes is poor, its happened far too often to be given more chances, can Venkys not realise they are uncapable of managing a proffessional football club? Are they honest? well, judging by their statements prior to buying the club, no, they are liars as well and that is what I cannot take, we, as supporters of Rovers deserve much better than this and even without a penny would be in a better situation than with this shower, they cant be defended and should go now, just disappear, I used to love chicken and guess what, I have even gone off that now!

[Paul]

Black Burn - with respect you clearly do not understand Rovers fans. Please stop lecturing us, we did all this a long time ago.

If you aren't Venky's PR you do a good imitation.

[Black Burn]

Black Burn,

I hear your comments, repair mistakes? preventative management is good management, repairing mistakes is poor, its happened far too often to be given more chances, can Venkys not realise they are uncapable of managing a proffessional football club? Are they honest? well, judging by their statements prior to buying the club, no, they are liars as well and that is what I cannot take, we, as supporters of Rovers deserve much better than this and even without a penny would be in a better situation than with this shower, they cant be defended and should go now, just disappear, I used to love chicken and guess what, I have even gone off that now!

I was responding to gumboots's statement that most people would not want the Venkys to stay around to fix their mistakes.

Venkys =/= chicken. So you can continue to enjoy it.

Black Burn - with respect you clearly do not understand Rovers fans. Please stop lecturing us, we did all this a long time ago.

If you aren't Venky's PR you do a good imitation.

I am a Rovers fan like you. I just have a different opinion.

And I'm not lecturing anybody. I'm just pointing out that people tend to forget that throwing out Venkys will not solve all the problems at hand and we have to be prepared to find another solution.

Good imitation? Have I been defending Venkys? No.

Funny how I am required to bash Venkys before people can finally accept that I am not making Venkys PR statements. Even funnier nobody has taken noticed the underlying criticism I have admitted in my posts and eveyone still think I'm still pro-Venkys.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

I don't for one minute think anyone thinks everything will be solved if we get rid of Venkys as owners. There is too much that they have broken for there to be any quick fixes. The point is that we don't want them to be trying to do the fixing because they'll most likely only make things worse.

It's like Pandora's box...Somewhere, there must be a flicker of hope!

[Mike Graham]

Black Burn: Go stuff your head up up a chickens bum, I have never heard such tripe.

[den]

Good post Gumboots.

[Black Burn]

Fine. It seems that I am not welcome here unless I say something like "Venkys are incompetent idiots".

I have not said anything that direct, but certainly no one is reading what I am saying properly if they think I am pro-Venkys. I have been subtly critical of them, yet people still accuse me of making Venkys PR statements.

I'll go play with my chickens - at least they are more civil than some of the humans here.

It seems that gumboots is the only one who understands what I'm getting at and I thank her for her response.

[bob fleming]

As for ma'am Gumboots, I agree with you, but I think the first step should be securing a buyer before kicking the Venkys out, or at least have Venkys replacement ready before you oust them. Otherwise the club isn't going to run without an owner. It's not like kicking out a manager. You actually need owners and their funds to run the club.

Look, I am sorry, but you're talking nonsense.

A protest or "Venky's Out" banners will show exactly what nearly everyone I speak to is saying. They are bad for Blackburn Rovers. If the rumours are true, that there are potential buyers out there, that Venky's were one Rao short of making the decision to sell, then maybe this will be the tipping point. Admittedly I know diddly squat about any new buyers but right now I'd take my chances and the chances are that they really can't be any worse. You could spin a coin to make decisions and have more success than the Venky's have.

"the club isn't going to run without an owner" - it's barely functioning now in case you hadn't noticed. Everytime a decision needs to be made the inexperienced manager has to get on a plane to Pune. What a joke. Oh and how is that for showing long term commitment to your £23m "purchase"? "We haven't a clue what we're doing, everythings alright at the moment isn't it? You come to us if you don't mind."

As for the funds. We were just about running as a sustainable business with people at the top who ran a P&L spreadsheet, had a handle on what was coming in, what was going out - and who didn't feel the need to take a mortgage out against the assets of the club (not that they were billionaire's or anything). The main area of funding was the Sky money and let's be honest that is clearly still the case. The Trust didn't put a great deal in, but they sure as hell didn't take anything out and they put people in place who knew what they were doing - top to bottom.

Finally. There are still too many people presuming that The Clowns actually give a damn. Another week has gone by. Nothing constuctive has happened again. Rumours of good things. Always rumours. It's always going to be next week. Just three weeks to kick off. Time to put it right.

[HemelRover]

Fine. It seems that I am not welcome here unless I say something like "Venkys are incompetent idiots".

Black Burn, I may disagree with your stance but I am glad of your posts.

[American]

I'm with you. The problem is that owning a football club that doesn't play in Europe and is still competitive is not a money making venture nowadays, so the only way we will get Venkys out is for them to hurt the club to the point of at least one relegation.

PS- Who do Venkys think they are? Getting rid of high priced players and replacing them with nobodies? Bringing in an inexperienced manager who almost relegates us?

The trust would never run us that way!

[Kelbo]

Fine. It seems that I am not welcome here unless I say something like "Venkys are incompetent idiots".

I have not said anything that direct, but certainly no one is reading what I am saying properly if they think I am pro-Venkys. I have been subtly critical of them, yet people still accuse me of making Venkys PR statements.

I'll go play with my chickens - at least they are more civil than some of the humans here.

It seems that gumboots is the only one who understands what I'm getting at and I thank her for her response.

Black Burn,

No one is saying you are not welcome here at all, I just totally disagree with your comments, Venkeys havent earned the right of either respect nor the opportunity of trying to right their wrongs, indeed, I feel they will make matters worse, they really are an incapable bunch with regards to football and the only respect they could get is by putting proper people in charge of the club, let them run it in the correct manner, re gain respect from the football world and keep themselves out of it!

That is their only chance, for Mrs D or one of the chuckle brothers to be involved would just make matters worse!

[AggyBlue]

Believe me, there are buyers out there, waiting for Venkys to lose a real packet and then buy the club for virtually nothing!!

Yeah, proper asset strippers

[Kelbo]

Yeah, proper asset strippers

I presume you mean Venkeys by that comment?

A buyer would have to pay a fortune to put right what these idiots have done!