[Archived] Rumour: Venky's To Sell?

[Glenn]

I have to ask the question did you ask Venkys PR, the direct question, "Is the rumour true or false"? I ask as if whilst discussing the thread with you, they neither denied or confirmed the rumour, actually adds fuel to the fire. You would have thought that if it was false, they would have come out and said so to you. But not saying!!!!!!!!!!

It's also possible (and this isn't a hint, I genuinely haven't spoken to Kamy about this) that Venky's simply haven't spoken to their PR company about it.

[PAFELL]

It's also possible (and this isn't a hint, I genuinely haven't spoken to Kamy about this) that Venky's simply haven't spoken to their PR company about it.

Maybe - but as this rumour has been going for awhile, I would be surprised if they had not spoken to their PR yet. But there again, nowt surprises me these days with the owners.

[tonyoz]

Absolutely delighted with this news! They're not selling! Phew! I thought for a minute there we could fall into the hands of people who haven't a clue what they are doing! What would that be like eh?! Great news all round. If the next 7 months are as fantastic as the previous 7 then I'm sure we'll all be throughly elated!

You'll never get an easy ride on here bob. On the other hand, I think Cryer did a balanced job in the LT tonight (bought a real paper copy for once). No real news but no hysteria and no discussion of silly rumours.

[my_name_is_Earl]

I wont lose any sleep over Venky's leaving. SInce they bought the club, it has been one PR disaster after another. I'd rather have an honest run club with employees who care about the town equally as much as they care about the business they work for. Sadly, we have seen no evidence whatsoever of Venky's making any strides in relation to forming better links with the fans (and anyone who mentions the free tenner at Wolves was obviously not there, as the queues were shocking!), yet we are told to trust the owners and believe that they have he clubs best intentions at heart.

HOWEVER, things can be easily remedied given the correct advice and the making of rational, intelligent football decisions. All hope is not yet lost but the fans really need to see some action rather than just empty words that have so far not materialised into anything. If the Venky's are planning to sell the club, then I say good luck and godspeed, we are better off having somebody with football knowledge in charge. If they are planning on staying, then they need to sort their act out, from the top of the club right through to the bottom because all signs indicate that we are currently being run by a bunch of amateurs - both in terms of football and business acumen.

SORT IT OUT VENKY'S

[PAFELL]

You'll never get an easy ride on here bob. On the other hand, I think Cryer did a balanced job in the LT tonight (bought a real paper copy for once). No real news but no hysteria and no discussion of silly rumours.

I've not bought a newspaper since we used to eat chips from em.

[Fife Rover]

Not really they could just say " we decided to walk away as we believe that the game is corrupt. Money driven and now fails to be a sport. Players asking for obscene wages etc etc. So we decide to sell the club as we consider it immoral to continue further" etc etc. There are many ways to spin a reason for selling.

If they DO use that line of reasoning there will be no spin about it........all of it is the literal truth.

But having said all that I do not believe that there is any intention to sell up by the Venkys. Where DO these rumours come from ?

[PAFELL]

If they DO use that line of reasoning there will be no spin about it........all of it is the literal truth.

But having said all that I do not believe that there is any intention to sell up by the Venkys. Where DO these rumours come from ?

I think we would all agree the game is corrupt. worse of all there is no cure. It is not as though we can rip everything up and start again. Players agents all the same, greed greed. The supporters and the game the victims. Players think their talent to play football is better than that of a nurse etc. Hence their pay packets.

[bob fleming]

You'll never get an easy ride on here bob. On the other hand, I think Cryer did a balanced job in the LT tonight (bought a real paper copy for once). No real news but no hysteria and no discussion of silly rumours.

Andy Cryer has a difficult job at the moment. Say the wrong thing and I'm sure they'll be no more interviews etc for the LT. I wonder what Peter White would have done? Different era, massively different football club. I get the feeling he'd speak his mind though, as Cryer may want to as well in all fairness.

I'm sure you got my earlier sarcasm but just in case, if Venky's sold tomorrow (it wouldn't be done that quickly I appreciate that, but I'd take them going and missing out on any signings this window for the long term future of the club believe it or not) I'd be absolutely delighted and relieved. They haven't a bloody clue. I honestly can't find any positives if they stay. The club is a shambles.

[PAFELL]

Andy Cryer has a difficult job at the moment. Say the wrong thing and I'm sure they'll be no more interviews etc for the LT. I wonder what Peter White would have done? Different era, massively different football club. I get the feeling he'd speak his mind though, as Cryer may want to as well in all fairness.

I'm sure you got my earlier sarcasm but just in case, if Venky's sold tomorrow (it wouldn't be done that quickly I appreciate that, but I'd take them going and missing out on any signings this window for the long term future of the club believe it or not) I'd be absolutely delighted and relieved. They haven't a bloody clue. I honestly can't find any positives if they stay. The club is a shambles.

My position has always been. I do not care who or what nationality the owners of Rovers are. What I want is whoever the owners are they do right by the club and it supporters. Give the club a fair chance of competing and do all it can to remain in the premier league. To run the club properly and prudently. I have waited and waited for Venkys to give me confidence in them. For a little while there was a flicker of hope. But they killed that off.

By now they should have got their act together, but they have not. They had plenty of time before buying the club to learn what they had to do, what was expected of them. But every single thing they should have done, they have done the opposite. their best advisors were already at the club and they removed them. Not fussed about Sam going, but at least put in a decent replacement. But having not had a replacement experienced manager, then Sam should have stayed until there was a replacement.

Football is a different world to most business. You only have to look at what it costs to employ a player - after all that is what a player is, an employee, to pay for a player. Even then the contracts are not worth much, they can be changed, removed and ignored. But you also have to pay others to get you the right players, to sell your players, to keep your players happy. it really is a sad, corrupt, pathetic business. Most of us love the sport called football, but not what we have now.

If Venkys leave, I would not blame them - go back to do what they do best, the chicken business. If they stayed, then do right by the club and its supporters. But that is what we all want from any owner. I am anti- anybody who does things wrong for the club and its supporters.

[True Blue & White]

I can assure you that this thread has not harmed the relationship that we have with Venky's.

I have talked Venky's PR this afternoon and they are aware of the thread and fully understand the reasons why we posted this thread, they also have no problem with us posting this rumour, mainly because we did not say it was fact and are keen to continue to build a relationship with us because of the independence that we have.

However at the moment they are neither confirming nor denying what we have posted, so until that happens this stays as a rumour.

Isn't that slightly contradictory? How can BRFCS be independent and have a "relationship" with the owners at the same time?

[roverandout]

kamy if it hasnt been denied or confirmed then surely it has to be more than a rumour otherwise it would have been in their best interests to deny it.

[True Blue & White]

If they denied it, would we believe them anyway?

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

How to sum up my feelings regarding the general consensus of rumour believing posters in 3 words..

Get a Grip

[Glenn]

Isn't that slightly contradictory? How can BRFCS be independent and have a "relationship" with the owners at the same time?

Because the two things aren't mutually exclusive ?

[Teacup]

If they denied it, would we believe them anyway?

Haha, I was thinking that. Shame really.

Fingers crossed they do something this window that will make most of us extremely happy. It is not like any excuses they will have at the end of window will be worth anything, they either do something this window or we all know the truth.

[True Blue & White]

Because the two things aren't mutually exclusive ?

I would say having to run it past the owners as to whether you could post this topic or not and what their opinion on you doing so restricts the term 'independent' a little would you not? If you can only post stories like with the owners' blessing/approval because you're worried how it might affect your relationship with them is a restriction of your ability to be a free news/rumour source.

P.S Can we have a British spell check on here, rumour has a 'u' in it.

[Miker]

I would say having to run it past the owners as to whether you could post this topic or not and what their opinion on you doing so restricts the term 'independent' a little would you not? If you can only post stories like with the owners' blessing/approval because you're worried how it might affect your relationship with them is a restriction of your ability to be a free news/rumour source.

While I agree with you in principle, being a strictly free news/rumour source can be a dangerous thing if everyone was just allowed to post whatever they want without any consequences. As an example, a Russian newspaper circulated a story last night about Rob Schneider dying in a motor vehicle acccident in the city of Queensland, Australia while on holiday. Besides this report of his death being a complete lie, they also lied about him having a holiday in Australia (he was on holiday in Atlanta) and Queensland isn't a CITY, but a STATE. Russian papers in general, both over there and here in Australia, print completely unsubstantiated rumours. They'll make up stories that are completely ridiculous and then people like my grandparents will read them and believe them, often to their own detriment. Irresponsible media.

So yes, any rumours should be run past the owners or people they concern and only be printed with good reason. Media is supposed to act responsibly with the public good in mind. Just printing stories for the sake of printing them, whether true or not, is not enough. Any media story can be seriously damaging to a person or an entire entity, and this isn't necessarily a good thing for the greater community. The problem with rumours is that people take them as fact and it can be damaging still. So even if Kamy/Glenn/Wen plastered "RUMOUR RUMOUR RUMOUR" all over the story, people would still go out and speak about it as though it's actually happened or happening.

[Steve Moss]

Nah, I don't drink. I'm in my dorm.

I have school tomorrow anyway, it would be bad to wake up with a hangover. Not to mention I'm not a big fan of alcohol.

Here I was just beginning to like you, and you have to drop the no alcohol comment. Back on probation you go.

Many on here might have advocated spend,spend,spend but I never have. Essentially because it makes no sense for a club our size.

I don't think big spending is the way to go. If I were Venkys I would, in order of priority:

1. Pay off the debt and keep it paid off.*

2. Calculate an average performance of 10th place and base the wage bill on 80% of revenue at 10th.

3. Get rid of players until such time we were equal to or less than the set wage bill.

4. Fund transfer fees but not the wage bill (unless we perform worse than 10th).

5. Gradually improve the squad as 'space' becomes available on the age bill through attrition.

6. Focus on bringing in quality youth (Hughes' scouting program would be immense here) and improving the Academy.

7. Make capital improvements to the stadium, facilities, etc.

8. Never, ever talk to the papers. But be at every game, Guiness in hand.

9. Fire anyone who deviates from the plan (i.e. wants to run up debt, pressures me through the papers, etc.).

* Actually, this is the third thing I would do. First up is getting rid of Kentaro/SEM and Kean. Second is brining in an experienced manager and chairman.

[Paul]

Jisty I don't think for one second Kammy or Glenn have an agenda to hurt the club or forums. Or that what they did was not a very hard decision for them to make. I just think they made the wrong decision.

I stand by my comments that starting this thread, with the post they did, was a huge mistake. It DOES hurt the link between brfcs and the owners which they were trying to build. Unless they were 100% sure that the story was true and could be confirmed they should not have started this thread. This is much more serious that the transfer rumour threads, I don't think they can be compared.

Joe, I've known Glenn for more than 10 years (scary in itself), though I've never met Kamy or Wen. Glenn would only make the call after a lot of thought.

To my knowledge about 12-15 posters (including Glenn as I told him of at least one) have known of various rumours of a sale for AT LEAST four months. I'm sure many more people are aware of the rumours locally. Some of the rumours and associated names have made sense to me.

No one posted this information earlier for obvious reasons. In my case i would no longer post anything which could be classed as rumour as the MB is now populated by a large group of posters who ultimately resort to offensive and insulting behaviuor. Im not prepared to be treated in this way so will say nothing. If what i know to be rumoured proves true I will post it - others on here will be able to prove the veracity of the things people claim to know.

Glenn, Kamy and Wen felt now was the appropriate moment to make the rumour very public. For me this can only mean there is "more truth" in the rumour than has previously been the case. Kamy's sources appear to be very strong, the best I know of, and admin would never sanction the post without strong reasons.

[Guest Wen Y Hu]

Indeed, Paul. Glenn, Kamy and myself did indeed exchange a number of emails regarding the matter. The source was credible and reliable and I even prepared something for the front page. However, we were unable to get confirmation on an important issue and so the story was put out on the forum as an unconfirmed rumour.

And, to answer True Blue & White's query, which I think is valid and well worth discussion, BRFCS is most certainly an independent site. I think this particular story is a good example of that, as will become clear in due course. As supporters of the club - in more ways than one - we obviously want to maintain good relations with the club irrespective of the make-up of its administration at any given time. Maintaining good relations shouldn't, however, be confused with us not having independence, as Glenn alluded to in his reply.

[TimmyJimmy]

Joe, I've known Glenn for more than 10 years (scary in itself), though I've never met Kamy or Wen. Glenn would only make the call after a lot of thought.

To my knowledge about 12-15 posters (including Glenn as I told him of at least one) have known of various rumours of a sale for AT LEAST four months. I'm sure many more people are aware of the rumours locally. Some of the rumours and associated names have made sense to me.

No one posted this information earlier for obvious reasons. In my case i would no longer post anything which could be classed as rumour as the MB is now populated by a large group of posters who ultimately resort to offensive and insulting behaviuor. Im not prepared to be treated in this way so will say nothing. If what i know to be rumoured proves true I will post it - others on here will be able to prove the veracity of the things people claim to know.

Glenn, Kamy and Wen felt now was the appropriate moment to make the rumour very public. For me this can only mean there is "more truth" in the rumour than has previously been the case. Kamy's sources appear to be very strong, the best I know of, and admin would never sanction the post without strong reasons.

Sorry but I've been a bit pedestrian on this and the penny has only just dropped - whilst I've been scooting through the pages looking for info and comments there are actually some who are questioning whether we should have allowed this thread to exist???!!!!! What nonsense is this? Glenn/Kamy/Wen have every right to start any thread they damn well please, this is not a police state with a controlled media and the board is not an arm of BRFC.

The thought that some can challenge the right of others to discuss anything is quite beyond me. Cheer leading is fine but not at the cost of trying to shut down all conversation on topics that aren't sanctioned by the intellectual elite (said through gritted teeth).

Bpards like this are supposed to be (IMO) a meeting place for like minded people who can talk freely about topics that interest them without being cowed down by considerations of gender, age, race, social standing etc., we are all anonymous and share only our thoughts.

This is a board to discuss Rovers issues be they favourable or not, rumour or not. If the lynch mob don't feel that they are 'like minded' with the majority I would respectfully suggest that they consider their options.

[Athlete]

Joe, I've known Glenn for more than 10 years (scary in itself), though I've never met Kamy or Wen. Glenn would only make the call after a lot of thought.

To my knowledge about 12-15 posters (including Glenn as I told him of at least one) have known of various rumours of a sale for AT LEAST four months. I'm sure many more people are aware of the rumours locally. Some of the rumours and associated names have made sense to me.

No one posted this information earlier for obvious reasons. In my case i would no longer post anything which could be classed as rumour as the MB is now populated by a large group of posters who ultimately resort to offensive and insulting behaviuor. Im not prepared to be treated in this way so will say nothing. If what i know to be rumoured proves true I will post it - others on here will be able to prove the veracity of the things people claim to know.

Glenn, Kamy and Wen felt now was the appropriate moment to make the rumour very public. For me this can only mean there is "more truth" in the rumour than has previously been the case. Kamy's sources appear to be very strong, the best I know of, and admin would never sanction the post without strong reasons.

what people from outside of Blackburn don't seem to grasp is that Blackburn is a small town and once something is heard on the grapevine you can guarantee most of the town know about it...whats the old saying no smoke without fire ???

I am not having a go at people from outside the town we live in before anyone says I am BTW..

[RovertheHill]

Sorry but I've been a bit pedestrian on this and the penny has only just dropped - whilst I've been scooting through the pages looking for info and comments there are actually some who are questioning whether we should have allowed this thread to exist???!!!!! What nonsense is this? Glenn/Kamy/Wen have every right to start any thread they damn well please, this is not a police state with a controlled media and the board is not an arm of BRFC.

The thought that some can challenge the right of others to discuss anything is quite beyond me. Cheer leading is fine but not at the cost of trying to shut down all conversation on topics that aren't sanctioned by the intellectual elite (said through gritted teeth).

Bpards like this are supposed to be (IMO) a meeting place for like minded people who can talk freely about topics that interest them without being cowed down by considerations of gender, age, race, social standing etc., we are all anonymous and share only our thoughts.

This is a board to discuss Rovers issues be they favourable or not, rumour or not. If the lynch mob don't feel that they are 'like minded' with the majority I would respectfully suggest that they consider their options.

I think there were a few people who had an opinion that posting this was a mistake. You talk about freedom to post and talk freely. You then seem to label those posters disagreeing with you in a particular way and invite them to consider their options?

Isn't your post simply contradicting itself?

[Paul]

what people from outside of Blackburn don't seem to grasp is that Blackburn is a small town and once something is heard on the grapevine you can guarantee most of the town know about it...whats the old saying no smoke without fire ???

Exactly.............though it takes a few days to filter out to Chorley!!

[philipl]

Jisty I don't think for one second Kammy or Glenn have an agenda to hurt the club or forums. Or that what they did was not a very hard decision for them to make. I just think they made the wrong decision.

I stand by my comments that starting this thread, with the post they did, was a huge mistake. It DOES hurt the link between brfcs and the owners which they were trying to build. Unless they were 100% sure that the story was true and could be confirmed they should not have started this thread. This is much more serious that the transfer rumour threads, I don't think they can be compared.

Your logic is impeccably correct.