[Archived] Rumour: Venky's To Sell?

[Black Burn]

I'll ask again, what is this ray of sunlight? We cannot believe or disbelieve it, if your keeping it to yourself.

Didn't I mention it? I was referring to Rao and Desai saying they are no longer after big names and will be looking to finalize deals in the next 2 weeks.

Of course, it's up to them to prove whether this is a ray of sunlight that will break the clouds apart or a ray that will get snuffed out by the thunderstorm that follows.

[Glenn]

Accusing him of being a Venky's plant and then someone checking up on his background is a lot more than that! Even if he ahd been Venky's head of PR, would he have been banned?

Hell no. But I when something doesn't add up, I like to know why. It's the same when people are suspected as being agents, journos, club employees and even the police. I've no desire to "out" these people, they are all more than welcome to be here, but I do have an interest in safe guarding the site. Normally I keep what I find to myself, but I felt in BB's case he was getting unfairly treated so spoke out, but was careful to give away no real details (although I have explained to him how I tracked him down and promised I won't share it with everyone).

Plus, it's fairly well known Kamy is on good terms with Venky's Indian PR company and if they suddenly sent somebody on here to promote/defend the brand without mentioning it, it would have been a case for concern.

Divergent views and contrary positions are what used to make this messageboard interesting and enjoyable, now I find it like watching school bullies when people are rounded on.

I agree entirely, which is why I stepped in rather than watched it happen.

[rebelmswar]

Black Burn you apologize way to much.

I am curious why you don't know what your friend actually does. I know what all my friends do.

[Black Burn]

Black Burn you apologize way to much.

I am curious why you don't know what your friend actually does. I know what all my friends do.

Internet friend. I met him online because he was supposed to be a classmate - I ended up changing courses and I never met him in person.

I do keep in contact with him through Instant Messanging. He is a supervisor at one of Venkys branches. Something to do with vaccinating chickens and processing eggs.

As I have never met him in person, I wasn't comfortable in prying too much into his life.

[Glenn]

Guys. Back towards the topic please (and yes, I know I'm as guilty as the rest of you).

Potential Takeovers = Good. Probing BB's motives, background and friends and bad.

[Stuart]

Accusing him of being a Venky's plant and then someone checking up on his background is a lot more than that! Even if he ahd been Venky's head of PR, would he have been banned?

Divergent views and contrary positions are what used to make this messageboard interesting and enjoyable, now I find it like watching school bullies when people are rounded on.

Black Burn seems like a good guy/gal but when someone new comes on board with what appears to be inside info, they are going to get questions.

By nature each question is a single post, in the main, so it's likely to mean a lot of posts 'aimed' at one poster. Doesn't make it bullying - unless there are specific posts you feel this has happened. In which case I hope you clicked the report button.

[rebelmswar]

Internet friend. I met him online because he was supposed to be a classmate - I ended up changing courses and I never met him in person.

I do keep in contact with him through Instant Messanging. He is a supervisor at one of Venkys branches. Something to do with vaccinating chickens and processing eggs.

As I have never met him in person, I wasn't comfortable in prying too much into his life.

That's cool. I assumed you had met him, assumptions are not always correct ney?

Hope that Venkeys can pull the finger out and get it sorted, hope your feelings on this one are correct buddy. I tell you I have supported this club for over three decades and it smarts a bit to see whats going down lately, how long you been a supporter by the way?

I trust that Venkeys do not have a buyer and that if they did, they would loose significant money.

[Parsonblue]

Didn't I mention it? I was referring to Rao and Desai saying they are no longer after big names and will be looking to finalize deals in the next 2 weeks.

Of course, it's up to them to prove whether this is a ray of sunlight that will break the clouds apart or a ray that will get snuffed out by the thunderstorm that follows.

Seriously Black Burn, if you think that a statement from our owners will be taken as a ray of sunlight you are seriously misguided. Their words are meaningless to supporters and until they back up their words with action they will continue to be treated with suspicion and contempt by a large number of supporters.

I think you underestimate the importance of the club to many of us who have been life long supporters (50 years in my case). Blackburn Rovers in not a simply a football club, its a way of life for many of us. My anger at the Rao family is not because I believe they are evil, or out to intentionally destroy the club, it is directed at them because they are damaging the club through ignorance.

In sacking an established manager last season and replacing him with a compliant puppet, they showed a total disregard for the potential for disaster in terms of relegation. We escaped by the skin of our teeth and yet our owners appear to have learned nothing with regard to the need for experienced people to be at the club. The loss of John Williams, Tom Finn, Andrew Pincher, Phil Batty, Adrian Lamb, Chris Mowbray, needs to be addressed. Sadly, as of yet, we are not replacing like with like. Indeed, in a number of cases we are not replacing at all.

The Rao family don't appear to have grasped that no club has a devine right to top flight football. The Trust have overseen a run of ten years of top flight football and that is the longest that the Rovers have spent in the top division since 1936.

For a club like the Rovers survival in the top division is a careful balancing act that requires prudent management off the pitch and pragmatic management on the pitch. As yet, our owners appear to have failed to have grasped this and seem to think that because they "want" us to do well we "will" do well. If only it were that simple.

So far all we have heard from the Rao family are promises about the future with talk of Indian academies etc. However, as other Premier League clubs gradually begin to strengthen their squads we appear to have settled for drawing up lists. Our squad was desperately thin in numbers and quality last season and so far we have seen the departures of the loan players and Phil Jones. The loss of Jermaine Jones and Phil Jones will require serious money being spent to replace them with players of similar quality. At present there is no indication that the Rao family have the ability or the inclination to build the type of squad we will need to flourish in the coming season.

[Black Burn]

That's cool. I assumed you had met him, assumptions are not always correct ney?

Hope that Venkeys can pull the finger out and get it sorted, hope your feelings on this one are correct buddy. I tell you I have supported this club for over three decades and it smarts a bit to see whats going down lately, how long you been a supporter by the way?

I trust that Venkeys do not have a buyer and that if they did, they would loose significant money.

For one decade. The first time I heard of the Premiership League, I decided on Blackburn Rovers as the team I would support. Everyone else in my country mostly supported the big four. I didn't like being a glory hunter, plus it was during the Souness era where we were the underdogs beating Arsenal 2-1 and denying them the Premiership trophy and I was mostly the guy who supported the underdogs. No problems with assumptions - I am guilty of that as well.

I do hope Venkys get it sorted as well, but I doubt they have a buyer. Building an academy in Pune, promising the son the helm when he turns 21 - sounds like they're staying for a long time to me. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if someone ends up buying Blackburn Rovers tomorrow. I do hope if that happens they are more competent than Venkys or we'll be in deep brown stuff.

Seriously Black Burn, if you think that a statement from our owners will be taken as a ray of sunlight you are seriously misguided. Their words are meaningless to supporters and until they back up their words with action they will continue to be treated with suspicion and contempt by a large number of supporters.

You misunderstand me. By ray of sunlight I mean that thin flickering beacon that's poking throughout the clouds - and if Venkys don't back up their action that ray of light will be blocked out comepletely by the thunderclouds, and a storm will descend.

I understand why most people have grievances with the club and the owners have not shown themselves capable of getting the job done. This mess we are hearing of is eroding the fans' confidence in them to set things right. I agree with you on that point. Words mean nothing unless backed with action, as with my point about the light. You can shine a thin light through the dark clouds but it wouldn't make much of a difference if you don't clear the clouds completely. In the end, the clouds will obscure everything again.

We need people like John Williams, Tom Finn and everyone, or at least have them replaced. The void left in their departure is damaging us. They may have promised the future, but if they don't invest in the present Blackburn might get relegated and there will be no future to speak of, unless we pull off another Souness like 10 years ago.

[Majiball]

Guys. Back towards the topic please (and yes, I know I'm as guilty as the rest of you).

Potential Takeovers = Good. Probing BB's motives, background and friends and bad.

As long as his friends are sexy I see nothing wrong with probing them.

Hope that Venkeys can pull the finger out and get it sorted, hope your feelings on this one are correct buddy.

Ah OK now I understand Glenn, no that sort of probing isn't on.

Seriously Black Burn, if you think that a statement from our owners will be taken as a ray of sunlight you are seriously misguided. Their words are meaningless to supporters and until they back up their words with action they will continue to be treated with suspicion and contempt by a large number of supporters.

I think you underestimate the importance of the club to many of us who have been life long supporters (50 years in my case). Blackburn Rovers in not a simply a football club, its a way of life for many of us. My anger at the Rao family is not because I believe they are evil, or out to intentionally destroy the club, it is directed at them because they are damaging the club through ignorance.

In sacking an established manager last season and replacing him with a compliant puppet, they showed a total disregard for the potential for disaster in terms of relegation. We escaped by the skin of our teeth and yet our owners appear to have learned nothing with regard to the need for experienced people to be at the club. The loss of John Williams, Tom Finn, Andrew Pincher, Phil Batty, Adrian Lamb, Chris Mowbray, needs to be addressed. Sadly, as of yet, we are not replacing like with like. Indeed, in a number of cases we are not replacing at all.

The Rao family don't appear to have grasped that no club has a devine right to top flight football. The Trust have overseen a run of ten years of top flight football and that is the longest that the Rovers have spent in the top division since 1936.

For a club like the Rovers survival in the top division is a careful balancing act that requires prudent management off the pitch and pragmatic management on the pitch. As yet, our owners appear to have failed to have grasped this and seem to think that because they "want" us to do well we "will" do well. If only it were that simple.

So far all we have heard from the Rao family are promises about the future with talk of Indian academies etc. However, as other Premier League clubs gradually begin to strengthen their squads we appear to have settled for drawing up lists. Our squad was desperately thin in numbers and quality last season and so far we have seen the departures of the loan players and Phil Jones. The loss of Jermaine Jones and Phil Jones will require serious money being spent to replace them with players of similar quality. At present there is no indication that the Rao family have the ability or the inclination to build the type of squad we will need to flourish in the coming season.

The apple fell far from the tree.

[rebelmswar]

For one decade. The first time I heard of the Premiership League, I decided on Blackburn Rovers as the team I would support. Everyone else in my country mostly supported the big four. I didn't like being a glory hunter, plus it was during the Souness era where we were the underdogs beating Arsenal 2-1 and denying them the Premiership trophy and I was mostly the guy who supported the underdogs. No problems with assumptions - I am guilty of that as well.

I do hope Venkys get it sorted as well, but I doubt they have a buyer. Building an academy in Pune, promising the son the helm when he turns 21 - sounds like they're staying for a long time to me. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if someone ends up buying Blackburn Rovers tomorrow. I do hope if that happens they are more competent than Venkys or we'll be in deep brown stuff.

The problem I have is that all they have done this far is for personal gain, now I am a capatalist and I think it is fabulous to grow your brand and expand into other areas - that's how jobs are made and countries grow, but when one is prmosised something and only receive platitudes and promises that only benifit the promiser - then I have issues in the belief department.

I smelled a problem in the first transfer window and the stench just keeps getting thicker, as do the fly's of deception.

[cruz]

The fly's of decpetion. Are they buzzing around the sh*t of broken promises?

[greco]

black burn

I am the one agreeing with you, actually. I'm not saying you are wrong. But thanks for that.

ups.. forgot to add - in general - as you´ve "defended the rao´s quite a bit

Yes, their father did most of the work. But admittedly if the Raos were incompetent the business would have collapsed and fallen apart under their reign. Instead, their company is thriving and growing - except for the Blackburn Rovers front, of course - so that says a lot. And apparently Mrs. Desai is acclaimed in a lot of business circles.

When you have money, its easier to make money. Not only we´re they born wealthy, they also inherited a business, that could prosper in a hugely growing asian market.

And you are right. They shouldn't have let John Williams go. I have no idea what happened on that front. Maybe they forced John Williams out or Williams decided he wanted a change of scene. Either way they shouldn't have let him go until they have learned everything they need to learn from him.

agreed.

People make mistakes all the time. The Venkys certainly made a lot. The hope now is that they will learn from it.

Yeah we hope they can and yet, here we are debating in a thread named "venky´s could sell" and coming to the conclusion, that the mistakes they made, are quite clearly on a level, where its (almost) impossible to fathom

Time is of the essence, they need to learn and do so quickly. The door isnt completely shut, but its gettting close.

I am pushing it, certainly. I'm not sure what other good things they have done.

Thats precisely the problem. Had there just been a couple of OHH YES-experiences along the way, they would have been ,uch better of. Sadly it´s been mistake upon mistake, without sense or purpose or so it seems. They are playing with the core of our club and ripping up the infrastructure. It´s being done at a pace, where its hard to keep up and rarely is that a good thing in football. (unless you´ve got cash to burn)

I was thinking that based on the January window they fulfilled their promises. If they got their mess and chaos sorted out now, they will fulfil their promise regarding the Jones money being available for transfers plus the 5 million/10 million cash on top of that. Unfortunately I have no idea how they will right their wrong, but like I said, anyone who is running a multibillionaire company and recording growth shouldn't be stupid and should be capable of learning from their mistakes. Only time will tell if the Venkys are competent enough.

I dont know if they are intelligent and will learn from their mistakes. I hope so.!

They fulfilled their promise about money and players in january. I have a hunch they once again, are looking to loan a couple of players.

In the meantime, they could splash the cash on a couple of quality players. That would probably end this thread and most definetly shut me up..

They´ve got a couple of weeks, before we enter panic mode, so as previously said, the door isnt totally shut, yet.

if you dont mind me asking, how did you end beinga rovers fan.?

[Black Burn]

if you dont mind me asking, how did you end beinga rovers fan.?

I was a big sucker for underdogs, and during the Souness era we were beating teams like Arsenal, winning a cup and getting sixth against all odds (though I supported the club before we got sixth). That was the first time I've heard of the Premiership League. Everyone I know was supporting Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal, but I didn't want to join in the bandwagon and support established teams who seem to be winning all the time. I especially didn't like Sir Alex Ferguson and Manchester United. Liverpool too were overrated and Arsenal was...I don't know.

Let's just say something drew me to Blackburn, especially the underdog tag. Got a lot of stick for supporting a team that was different from everyone else, but what do they know? Rovers until I die.

[Stuart]

When Mrs D took over Venkys from her father, did she install a novice into the role of general manager and change the entire management structure within the first year? I won't continue the analogy but if she didn't it might explain why the business continued to prosper. Or did she immediately start cost cutting measures which provided later benefits?

Genuine question. Perhaps Black Burn can provide some insight?

[Black Burn]

When Mrs D took over Venkys from her father, did she install a novice into the role of general manager and change the entire management structure within the first year? I won't continue the analogy but if she didn't it might explain why the business continued to prosper. Or did she immediately start cost cutting measures which provided later benefits?

Genuine question. Perhaps Black Burn can provide some insight?

No idea. I'm not really a business person.

[Stuart]

No idea. I'm not really a business person.

Fair enough. I'm just interested if there is history of this approach working for Mrs D or if she's just winging it.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Hell no. But I when something doesn't add up, I like to know why. It's the same when people are suspected as being agents, journos, club employees and even the police. I've no desire to "out" these people, they are all more than welcome to be here, but I do have an interest in safe guarding the site. Normally I keep what I find to myself, but I felt in BB's case he was getting unfairly treated so spoke out, but was careful to give away no real details (although I have explained to him how I tracked him down and promised I won't share it with everyone).

Plus, it's fairly well known Kamy is on good terms with Venky's Indian PR company and if they suddenly sent somebody on here to promote/defend the brand without mentioning it, it would have been a case for concern.

I agree entirely, which is why I stepped in rather than watched it happen.

Thanks - understand now.

[pick32]

I haven't read this thread since page 5 could someone please tell me if there is any new information that Venky's latest statement is false and if so is there any news on potential suitors. It would be a real help since I just read 10pages of the transfer thread and found out nothing has changed on that department.

[Black Burn]

I haven't read this thread since page 5 could someone please tell me if there is any new information that Venky's latest statement is false and if so is there any news on potential suitors. It would be a real help since I just read 10pages of the transfer thread and found out nothing has changed on that department.

Nothing.

Venkys has officially denied that they are selling, that's all. No new information as of yet.

[Glenn]

The takeover rumor is explained a little more in the second edition of the podcast (which is in place now, but I'm waiting for the OK to put it live as I've edited sections). It should be available tomorrow.

[whalleyrover]

Do you mean the takeover rumour? If not then comment is in the wrong thread and should have been deleted.

[Glenn]

Do you mean the takeover rumour? If not then comment is in the wrong thread and should have been deleted.

I have no idea what you mean *whistles innocently* (in my defence, I've just being clearing up the war zone that is the transfer thread)

[ABBEY]

Didn't I mention it? I was referring to Rao and Desai saying they are no longer after big names and will be looking to finalize deals in the next 2 weeks.

Of course, it's up to them to prove whether this is a ray of sunlight that will break the clouds apart or a ray that will get snuffed out by the thunderstorm that follows.

so they lied then and full of bull s !

[Speedie Dived]

Just listened to the 2nd podcast, excellent stuff. Anyway, some fantastic info of the potential "rumoured" sale. It sounds like there is certainly something in this, with talk of shotgun takeovers and info on the buyer