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[Archived] Rumour: Venky's To Sell?


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You were being clear with your response, i don't think i was with my reply :-). Ok, i will put it like this..

What's the difference between 1 fan having a billion pounds and 100,000 fans have 500 million between them. You deserve to have what "fans" are prepared to put into your club.

I see what you mean but it's ticket prices are a lot closer than that (obviously - but you know what I mean). This means that the number of fans has a much greater impact than the price of the ticket, per se.

Plus Rovers have such cheap tickets (the value that punters are prepared to pay) that we'd need about 4 or 5 times as many fans as Newcastle or others to compete.

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I don't mean spend all the money and not go into Europe. It's more a case of, do we have much choice? With our fan base and income. Sooner or later, it will be championship football with the rulings coming into play. Work out what profit we get, we don't. So only way to sign players will be to sell our better players, get young ones and hope for the best.

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I see what you mean but it's ticket prices are a lot closer than that (obviously - but you know what I mean). This means that the number of fans has a much greater impact than the price of the ticket, per se.

Plus Rovers have such cheap tickets (the value that punters are prepared to pay) that we'd need about 4 or 5 times as many fans as Newcastle or others to compete.

It wouldn't have to come down to ticket prices. It would come down to the 1 fan buying the club and doing as he pleases with his money.

They are painting it as protecting clubs from going bang, through being badly run. First of all you will not find 2 clubs as poorly run as Leeds and Pompey and they have both ultimately survived, dropped down divisions but that's the price you pay.

Secondly, if a club does go belly up then that's the price you sadly pay for being poorly run, at least you had the chance to compete on a fairly level playing field and have a go.

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The PL are adopting rules similar to UEFA's Fair Play so the impact will not only be on eligibility for European entry.

The Fair Play rules coming in are having a perverse impact on the price a club like Rovers can command. This year it will be possible for owners to spend relatively unhindered but next year that will be getting progressively more difficult. As a small town club, our attraction as a vehicle for projecting a message or image may therefore actually decline as the amount somebody can legally lavish on us declines.

I must admit I am disappointed with the tone of the debate on the last page.

Think back 12 months and if the Trust and Sam had had £26m to spend on players, we would have been seriously and rightly looking forwards to kick on from 10th to 6th and another semi-final. It is only the trauma of the last eight months that has completely gutted fans' ambitions.

It will almost certainly cost more than £26m to sort out the hole we are in now and the void in key management and staff is a critical void.

But we have no idea what the ambitions and intentions of the putative bidders is so I will go back to my refrain of last autumn for deciding which bidder looked the best bet - in the absence of better information, follow the money. Well that didn't do me any good did it?

Finally in answer to those asking why billionaires might be interested in Rovers, any other PL clubs for sale (apart from the Toffee basket case)? Not that we can be sure Rovers will be sold.

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To hell with Europe, with it now becoming the big 6. What is the chance without blowing loads of cash. Spend what we want, don't apply for Europe and stay in the league.

Play decent football, have a good cup run and you never know. Win the cup, get into Europe. Win the Fair Play league, get into Europe. I'd be happy with that as a target every year if we finished 8th each year in the league. :)

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The Fair Play rules coming in are having a perverse impact on the price a club like Rovers can command. This year it will be possible for owners to spend relatively unhindered but next year that will be getting progressively more difficult. As a small town club, our attraction as a vehicle for projecting a message or image may therefore actually decline as the amount somebody can legally lavish on us declines.

It is for this reason if Venkys have any ambition that they need to get the quality in now. Two years down the line and it won't be financially viable to do so regardless of the owners wealth. If a new owner took over by the end of July they probably have 3 windows at best to revamp the squad to challenge the top 6.

I suppose one way of looking at it is that by possibly being up for sale (and the fair play time constraints) Rovers are the last chocolate bar in the sweet shop. Any rich Arab that fancies a dabble at taking on the big boys (for a relatively cheap amount) in the Prem may only have the one option.

One other thing that may indicate something going on is that Mr Steve "Talksport" Kean has been very quiet this past couple of weeks. New owners and he's surely out the door. No signings and he'll be chased out the door by the 10,000 fans at the Wolves game.

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Its a nice dream that a Billionaire would like to save us from the Venkys. Unfortunately thats all I think its going to be, a dream. Why would anyone want to buy Rovers or even attempt to buy rovers on the back of a very recent take over? When clubs like Everton have been up for sale looking for the right offer for a considerable amount of time. I do believe Venkys silence in recent weeks has added fuel to a very small fire and they have left them selfs open to speculation. We have no Chairman, no tech director, no sponsor, no kit, no signings and not one of their promises has come to life. The Kentro link seems to be vanishing and without Kentro they have no football Knowledge. All of the above could be interpreted as reason why they should sell, However They are getting publicity albeit negative but no publicity is the only kind of bad publicity. They are making bold statements to their homeland about bringing football to India, They have made statements regarding family members being potentially future board members and they have also made a public statement denying the sale of the club. My theory and thats all it is but my theory is they are clueless. They have lost too many key staff members at Blackburn Rovers and now they find them selfs alone with a Premier League club on their hands with no idea what to do with it. Their inactivity to me suggests they realise the mess which has occurred and Venkys have taken a step back to analyses a new way forward. One thing is for sure though this is the biggest summer in Blackburn Rovers history to date as anything that happens now until Sept 1st will truly effect the direction of the club. Brace yourself Rovers fans.

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I'd think that Rovers would be an attractive prospect for potential buyers, or at the very least not as risky as other clubs. I don't know what our debt is exactly, but I was under the impression that the Trust managed to clear most of it and we find ourselves in a very healthy and stable financial position. I thought this was something that hasn't been spoken about too often in the Trust vs Venky's debate and I think it's something that the previous owners and management teams should be commended on.

As philipl says though, there is a gaping hole in our team right now, both in terms of playing and backroom staff and that for me is the biggest concern more than anything and needs to be addressed immediately.

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It wouldn't have to come down to ticket prices. It would come down to the 1 fan buying the club and doing as he pleases with his money.

They are painting it as protecting clubs from going bang, through being badly run. First of all you will not find 2 clubs as poorly run as Leeds and Pompey and they have both ultimately survived, dropped down divisions but that's the price you pay.

Secondly, if a club does go belly up then that's the price you sadly pay for being poorly run, at least you had the chance to compete on a fairly level playing field and have a go.

It's a great point you make, and if it was a fan then I can see your logic. But ultimately, it would be very easy to begin to pay wages that are unsustainable long term. You may say that's being badly run and the club would deserve it but it is still reckless.

The new rule would mean that a club wouldn't be taken to the brink by that one fan. I agree it could be a great ride but as has been mentioned on many threads the club is a special type of business, tied to people's emotions, very important to the community and bigger than anyone person. For this reason fans need to be protected from such people, even being protected from themselves. Jack saw this coming from a long way off and took steps to address it. Not everyone would be so insightful, and

Rovers model is still far from sustainable even with the TV money each year because it no longer goes far enough to keep us competitive, as player wages for average players spiral to ensure they remain contracted and stop them walking out for nothing. The trouble is, if you aren't shrewd or lucky, or have any loyal players, you end up stuck with them when they are past their prime and can't sell them without paying up their contracts early. See Man City and Chelsea.

It's all a consequence of overpaying players to give the club the edge in order to progress and has put the game into the toxic state it is in today. I'm by no means a Platini fan but I think he is trying to so what is right here, even though it looks like sour grapes.

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The underlying problems at Everton are pretty horrible. That club needs £150m just to get to zero. Then you start on the stadium.

heard off an Everton fan @ work it was 65mill in debt..they havent bought anyone in three windows now..except Beckford on a free last summer , the last signings were 2 summers back...Billyletinov ( or whatever his surname is ) for 11.5mill... they are releasing players to get the wage bill down

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Been quietly fuming for a few minutes now and my frustration has got the better of me.

Why is that someone felt the need to publish the Bugshan name on here. How can it help. Those of us who have been aware of this for a few weeks have resisted mentioning the names even in PMs but now it's blurted out. How is 'outing' them going to serve our cause. They can get spooked and Venkys fear losing face like no others I've met.

An ownership like Bugshan's is something we can only dream of and it serves no purpose to put obstacles in the way of something that is beneficial to the club.

It's never nice being lambasted all the time for being 'in the know' but for G*ds sake just think about it if there is a next time, somethings are best protected.

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Been quietly fuming for a few minutes now and my frustration has got the better of me.

Why is that someone felt the need to publish the Bugshan name on here. How can it help. Those of us who have been aware of this for a few weeks have resisted mentioning the names even in PMs but now it's blurted out. How is 'outing' them going to serve our cause. They can get spooked and Venkys fear losing face like no others I've met.

An ownership like Bugshan's is something we can only dream of and it serves no purpose to put obstacles in the way of something that is beneficial to the club.

It's never nice being lambasted all the time for being 'in the know' but for G*ds sake just think about it if there is a next time, somethings are best protected.

So it is an undebatable positive for the club if these saudi people take over? Just because they may have more money than Venkys, is no guarantee they will be better owners.

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I heard the name weeks ago, didn't think anything of it... until now.

I had the same reaction as timmyjimmy.

However, we knew that at least five groups of people (excluding ourselves) were aware of the Bugshan identity when we did the podcast and discovered that their identity was even more widely known yesterday.

In fact it is to the credit of Rovers supporters that this name has not emerged earlier.

It seems the one place this has not come from is the club itself. Rovers employees use this MB to find out what is going on apparently.

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I had the same reaction as timmyjimmy.

However, we knew that at least five groups of people (excluding ourselves) were aware of the Bugshan identity when we did the podcast and discovered that their identity was even more widely known yesterday.

In fact it is to the credit of Rovers supporters that this name has not emerged earlier.

It seems the one place this has not come from is the club itself. Rovers employees use this MB to find out what is going on apparently.

The LT come on here also. So wait for them to mention it now.

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Frankly if you start a rumour and continue to fuel it you shouldn't be too surprised if it goes to far, in this case it has lead to an "outing" of the prospective buyer.

If you don't want people to throw a name up don't bloody bring it on the board, then identify the location in the podcast, then suggest they are worth billions.

You have reaped what you have sown in this matter.

Just to clarify, I am gratefull for the information, just pointing out that people are bound to speculate on the scraps that are passed around.

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