Transfer Window Chat Thread

[TheTMX]

Shearer was faster pre-cruciate ligament injury. Balls were being played into the channels for him to run onto. After the injury he became more of a back to goal player. Norwich 7-1 game being a prime example

I appreciate what people are saying about Shearer being slower after his cruciate injury but are we really using him as a comparison to a player returning from such an injury in this day and age? It might not seem that long ago to some of us, but Shearer did his cruciate in 1992! Nearly 20 years ago! That would put you out for 6-18 months back then, but the advances over the years has seen players return far quicker and with little or no impact on performance!

[Kamy100]

Kamy. Whats holding up the Ibisevic transfer ?

Nothing, as I posted yesterday , it was not at medical stage yet, just sorting out final details with his club before player arrives for medical. If they did that last night then he will arrive for medical today, if not then early next week. Due to his injury I would expect any medical to take longer than usual, Rovers seem to have a 2 stage (2 day) medical process.

[imy9]

A knackered knee perhaps ? It shows the desperation of the club to land a new striker that they are contemplating signing a player who has a serious ligament injury and will not be available for selection until October at the earliest. The player will then need x number of matches to get back to full fitness so it could be Christmas before he is back to his top level - by which time from Rovers point of view it could be too late. We should look elsewhere.

He had the knee injury in 2008-9 season Jim.

In the two seasons after he has played:

2009-10- 34 league games

2010-11- 29 league games

At £3.5 million, aged 27 with his scoring record in Germany it is a risk worth taking IMO. Venkys also have a good back up option for striker so desperation is a little harsh!

Nothing, as I posted yesterday , it was not at medical stage yet, just sorting out final details with his club before player arrives for medical. If they did that last night then he will arrive for medical today, if not then early next week. Due to his injury I would expect any medical to take longer than usual, Rovers seem to have a 2 stage (2 day) medical process.

Kamy- Glen has posted that a player with limited PL experience will also be having a medical today, is this a new one or one that has been mentioned before?

[jim mk2]

I appreciate what people are saying about Shearer being slower after his cruciate injury but are we really using him as a comparison to a player returning from such an injury in this day and age? It might not seem that long ago to some of us, but Shearer did his cruciate in 1992! Nearly 20 years ago! That would put you out for 6-18 months back then, but the advances over the years has seen players return far quicker and with little or no impact on performance!

True - I damaged my posterior cruciate in my thirties and after 4 operations and 12 months I was still not walking properly. In days gone by, they were known as "wonky knees" - but that was before knowledge of ligaments and how they worked and could be mended was properly understood. Robbie Fowler and I believe Shearer (not sure) did their posterior - potentially even more serious than damaging the anterior.

[Mercer]

I don't want to get into a great debate but the examples of Rovers players you use are not particularly good. I disagree about Shearer, he relied on power rather than pace, Reid had every injury known to man so to use the ACL injury as an example for losing his pace is futile. Again I don't believe that Emerton was particularly quick but he sustained the injury in his late 20's. IMO the natural slowing down process had already begun.

I have worked with many players who have successfully returned from ACL injuries at Lilleshall and generally (with the right R&R) come back stronger.

Stronger yes but quicker, most certainly not.

[bob fleming]

Trivia: Who did he shoulder barge into the Darwen End Enclosure in that game?

Jimmy Carter? (the footballer)

It was Jimmy Carter. It was the Nuttall Street enclosure (pedantic or what?!). We won 1-0 - first home game in the Premier League. Mid week match. Happy days.

Here it is!

[j166429]

THey can't resist a dig by referring to Raul as desperate to join Blackburn.

Little old Blackburn with its cobbled streets, flat caps, whippets, dirty faced matchstick sellers and victorian workhouses.

Nowhere is the word desperate mentioned in any quotes

I took it as meaning that he was depsperate to come and play for us (i.e. he really, really wants to), not in the sense "he has to be desperate" to want to play for us.

[BangkokRover]

My post was a response to the previous poster proclaiming this the best Rovers squad since 2003. I have no doubt Rovers have done their homework but I regarded that poster's judgment to be premature. Understanding basic English is a wonderful thing too so please don't try to be clever - it doesn't suit you.

Nice to see Jim still getting marked down for his sensible posts.

We play our 2nd game tomorrow, so its safe to say none of these players will have any impact at all on that game. Could possibly be played two lost two, yet still people are happy?? If all this was happening 4 or 5 weeks ago then it would have been fine as people would have time to gel etc. We have to get points from the Everton and Fulham games other wise we are seriously up a creak with out a paddle.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Shearer was very quick before his cruciate ligament injury, it's a testament to how great a player he was that he managed to change his game to compensate for the loss of pace and still be a great goalscorer.

Plenty of goals on the video below showing how quick he was:

In regards to Ibisevic, I do know that medical advances have meant that getting a serious injury like a ACL isn't the career ending injury it used to be. But I have seen players in recent years who have had an injury like that and they just haven't looked the same player, whether that's due to the physical effects after the injury or maybe something psychological.

I am not saying Rovers shouldn't sign him, in fact he is the sort of gamble we have to take considering the money we have. I am just pointing out that fans need to be wary about someone who has suffered a serious injury and has been plagued with niggling injuries ever since.

[chris]

Shearer was never that quick, he was strong and held off defenders. Came back just as strong.

Rewrite history if it suits your negativity.

Lets buy old players who have made it in the PL and are slowing down with age and the burden of carrying over-stuffed wallets for years. That's the way forward.

Take a look at this, Blackburn verse Norwich 1992, Shearer is very quick in the first 30 seconds the defender has 10 yeards on him and he still beats him to the ball, Blackburn score.

[Hughesy]

SSN

9:51

Speculation: Reports in France suggest Monaco are lining up a move for Blackburn defender Gael Givet.

[jim mk2]

My main complaint about Ibisevic is that even if he makes a full recovery he is unlikely to be playing anywhere near his best until December at the earliest. We have needed reinforcements in every department of the team since May and have had all summer to fix the problems - to consider signing a crocked player now with the season already started smacks of desperation and incompetence to be honest. The club will have to do better than this.

[Ricky]

Could Monaco afford him after their relegation and would he want to drop down a division?

[cruz]

I hope you mean Norwich was an example of pre-injury Shearer?

Trivia: Who did he shoulder barge into the Darwen End Enclosure in that game?

Jimmy Carter? (the footballer)

Yeah sorry, meant to say that he was rapid in that game! Not sure about the barge. Mark Bowen? I remember the Jimmy Carter barge v Arsenal!!

It was Jimmy Carter. It was the Nuttall Street enclosure (pedantic or what?!). We won 1-0 - first home game in the Premier League. Mid week match. Happy days.

Here it is!

No. It was not Jimmy Carter. That was the first Premierleauge game at Ewood against Arsenal.

The Norwich player is very well known to us and had a totally different experience the next time he came to Ewood.

[Guest ljb]

SkySportsPeteO Pete O'Rourke

Reports in France suggest Monaco are lining up a move for Blackburn defender Gael Givet. #BRFC

[tony gale's mic]

I love how the usual suspects derive pleasure from painting doomsday scenarios. If these signings go through we'd probably have the best squad since 2003.

Christ, I'm pleased Rovers are making new signings and am excited to see them in action but this is ridiculous. You can't have seen much of these new players bar the odd game, or youtube clips and definitely don't know how they'll adapt to the Premier League. Claiming we'll have the best squad since 2003 when we've had Bellamy, McCarthy, RSC, Tugay, Friedel, an in-form Dunn, MGP at his peak, Bentley, Warnock etc is typical of premature ejaculation that some members of this board suffer from.

I'm not criticising the Ibisevic signing for example, I think it's a good one. Like RVR I agree that you can't ignore that he has had a major injury and numerous injuries since and he wasn't exactly banging in the goals last season. I do think it's a risk worth taking but coming to conclusions either way before he's kicked a ball is very silly.

[dubdubdub]

Nice to see Jim still getting marked down for his sensible posts.

We play our 2nd game tomorrow, so its safe to say none of these players will have any impact at all on that game. Could possibly be played two lost two, yet still people are happy?? If all this was happening 4 or 5 weeks ago then it would have been fine as people would have time to gel etc. We have to get points from the Everton and Fulham games other wise we are seriously up a creak with out a paddle.

Yes. People are happy. Rovers are signing players.

[alexanders]

My main complaint about Ibisevic is that even if he makes a full recovery he is unlikely to be playing anywhere near his best until December at the earliest. We have needed reinforcements in every department of the team since May and have had all summer to fix the problems - to consider signing a crocked player now with the season already started smacks of desperation and incompetence to be honest. The club will have to do better than this.

Who the feck should we have bought?

I agree with RibbleValley. This is the sort of gamble we have to take.

On another note. If Everton get some injuries in their squad they might be destined for a relegation battle themselves.

[RibbleValleyRover]

SSN

9:51

Speculation: Reports in France suggest Monaco are lining up a move for Blackburn defender Gael Givet.

Not surprised if true, there were reports last season he was homesick and wanted to return to France and then there was the contractual issues towards the end of last season.

[chris]

Christ, I'm pleased Rovers are making new signings and am excited to see them in action but this is ridiculous. You can't have seen much of these new players bar the odd game, or youtube clips and definitely don't know how they'll adapt to the Premier League. Claiming we'll have the best squad since 2003 when we've had Bellamy, McCarthy, RSC, Tugay, Friedel, an in-form Dunn, MGP at his peak, Bentley, Warnock etc is typical of premature ejaculation that some members of this board suffer from.

I'm not criticising the Ibisevic signing for example, I think it's a good one. Like RVR I agree that you can't ignore that he has had a major injury and numerous injuries since and he wasn't exactly banging in the goals last season. I do think it's a risk worth taking but coming to conclusions either way before he's kicked a ball is very silly.

I agree its ridiculous, we don't even know if these £2 or 3 million signings will adapt to the PL, although they look like they have potential.

I remember in 2003 we had Sukur and Andy Cole upfront, two world class players against fulham, and that was a special game both showing themselves pure class.

How about waiting to see if these guys prove they can do it, before making such a statement to compare them to Bellamy, Cole, Bentley, Duff, Tugay, McCarthy.

[jim mk2]

Who the feck should we have bought?

I agree with RibbleValley. This is the sort of gamble we have to take.

On another note. If Everton get some injuries in their squad they might be destined for a relegation battle themselves.

Who should we have bought - how about a lame donkey because it will be about as much use as Ibisevic. Most signings are gambles and carry risk - especially those new to England and the premier League - but I don't think we can afford to gamble on a player who is going to be unavailable for maybe half the season and then might not reach his previous levels anyway.

On another note, Everton might be impecunious but they have a top manager - a big difference.

[Waggy76]

Could Monaco afford him after their relegation and would he want to drop down a division?

I would swap Monaco for Blackburn any day of the week !!

[pick32]

I would swap Monaco for Blackburn any day of the week !!

lifestyle yes football reasons no.

[dubdubdub]

How about waiting to see if these guys prove they can do it, before making such a statement to compare them to Bellamy, Cole, Bentley, Duff, Tugay, McCarthy.

I agree it is daft comparing them to those; especially when they're in fact the new Messis, Ronaldos and Puyols.

[John]

Without knowing too much about these potential singings, or the detail of the transfers themselves, it appears to be good business – credit to Kean (and whoever it is getting the deals done).

Hopefully most of the new players can hit the ground running and settle in quickly.

Still key that we keep Samba, I know the creative players excite fans more however very important we can keep defensively solid.