Transfer Window Chat Thread

[RevidgeBlue]

  On 19/08/2011 at 13:52, Steve Moss said:

Am I the only one who thinks Dunn has become a liability and should be moved on?

I was thinking the same about Givet. Bust ups with the Club over his tax bill, stories in The Sun, rumours of homesickness within his family and crying off sick from games at the celeventh hour.

Shame, because at his best he is a good player and we really need him at the momoent.

[Wilko Rover]

  On 19/08/2011 at 13:52, Steve Moss said:

Am I the only one who thinks Dunn has become a liability and should be moved on?

Agree, love the guy but i'm hoping Vukcevic (if signs) takes his place.

[RibbleValleyRover]

  On 19/08/2011 at 13:52, Steve Moss said:

Am I the only one who thinks Dunn has become a liability and should be moved on?

He should but then the same can be said for Pedersen, Roberts and several others.

[Eddie]

To be fair they were owned by a very wealthy group before. I know the former President Sebastien Bazin (Colony Capital), they stopped putting money into the club because they became so overwhelmingly unpopular. The new Qatari group is pumping tremendous amounts in now, they are now the Manchester City of Ligue 1, but they have failed to land any major targets and it doesn't look like they have spent particularly well. You can have all the money in the world and a great city, but the vast majority of players want to test themselves in better quality leagues. I'm not sure how it will all work out.

[LeChuck]

With an influx of young players with no/little Premier League experience, the likes of Dunn, Pedersen, Emerton, Roberts, Nelsen etc. might oddly become more valuable to us than they have been in the past 12-18 months.

Whilst they're all past their best (which wasn't great to begin with in some cases), we can't lose all the PL experience from our team otherwise we'd be in big trouble.

[stu07]

  On 19/08/2011 at 14:00, RibbleValleyRover said:

He should but then the same can be said for Pedersen, Roberts and several others.

Salgado also falls into that bracket - he is a liability. A left winger with abit of pace murders him.

[chris]

  On 19/08/2011 at 14:00, RibbleValleyRover said:

He should but then the same can be said for Pedersen, Roberts and several others.

Guys that can still do a job from the bench, enough people calling them deadwood, but good squad players still.

[BangkokRover]

  On 19/08/2011 at 14:01, Eddie said:

To be fair they were owned by a very wealthy group before. I know the former President Sebastien Bazin (Colony Capital), they stopped putting money into the club because they became so overwhelmingly unpopular. The new Qatari group is pumping tremendous amounts in now, they are now the Manchester City of Ligue 1, but they have failed to land any major targets and it doesn't look like they have spent particularly well. You can have all the money in the world and a great city, but the vast majority of players want to test themselves in better quality leagues. I'm not sure how it will all work out.

What about Pastore's €42 million deal?

[Tony Diamond Inc]

  On 19/08/2011 at 13:53, RevidgeBlue said:

None of the players in the left hand column apart from Phil and Jermaine Jones made any real contribution last season and the latter was brought in along with RSC by the new regime anyway so any new additions wouldn't exactly have to set the world on fire for us to be stronger than at the comparable point last season.

The direct EHD replacement is surely the recently emerged Hoillet (vast improvement) whereas Blackman is of a similar sort of profile to Mame Diouf.

As things stand, much will depend upon whether Goodwillie can make a more significant impact than Kalinic's five League goals whereas we still desperately need at least one other quality striker to replace Benjani and RSC. Though how many League goals did those two contribute between them last year - was it three?

Vukcevic Formica and Rochina really would be equivalent to outright additions as we didn't have any players of that type twelve months ago.

"Thicko" mode on. Not sure where Philip has got his figure of seventeen departed players from, if he is including players like Rigters and Zurab in that it just how continuingly and pathetically desperate he is to sling mud at Venky's and the "evil" Steve Kean at every possible opportunity. The reality is that it would have been nice to retain Jermaine Jones, (although the younger Petrovic might be just as good or even better)and we will probably not be able to get anyone in as good as Phil Jones.

None of the other departures are any great loss at all whether it be eleven or philip's exagerated figure of seventeen.

Brilliant!

An example of how to analyse a situation rationally.

Phillip, please read and learn...

...oh and by the way, I'll put my neck on the block and say that Petrovic will be even better than J.J.

[tony gale's mic]

  On 19/08/2011 at 13:57, BangkokRover said:

Sure and Venkys are a real example of how to run a football club.

That's a different argument altogether.

[j166429]

  On 19/08/2011 at 14:08, BangkokRover said:

What about Pastore's €42 million deal?

The amount is significant, but the player (although a good one) is perhaps not worth such an astronomical amount.

You only need to look at PSG's opening matches to see that money is not a guarantee for success.

[tony gale's mic]

  On 19/08/2011 at 14:15, Tony Diamond Inc said:

...oh and by the way, I'll put my neck on the block and say that Petrovic will be even better than J.J.

How many times have you seen Petrovic play then?

[Eddie]

He's a good player, but the fee was far too high. It doesn't really matter for them, but if they are going to spend that sort of money they should be bringing in someone of higher quality. Barcelona spent less on Fabregas. City didn't spend much more to sign Aguero.

[Kelbo]

  On 19/08/2011 at 14:04, stu07 said:

Salgado also falls into that bracket - he is a liability. A left winger with abit of pace murders him.

Wingers with pace murder most full backs, a good manager ensures there is plenty of cover for the full back in those situations, you show the winger the line, dont let him come inside and bring someone round the back to 'two him' then he has to play the ball either early or play it back, you nullify his game, one thing you dont try to do with pacey wingers is play a diamond formation!!

[Tony Diamond Inc]

  On 19/08/2011 at 14:25, tony gale said:

How many times have you seen Petrovic play then?

Specifically, or will ball park do?

Oh, and why do you need to know that?

[stu07]

  On 19/08/2011 at 14:28, Kelbo said:

Wingers with pace murder most full backs, a good manager ensures there is plenty of cover for the full back in those situations, you show the winger the line, dont let him come inside and bring someone round the back to 'two him' then he has to play the ball either early or play it back, you nullify his game, one thing you dont try to do with pacey wingers is play a diamond formation!!

Agreed and I play right back so I know the attributes for a good full back, is positional play last week wasn't the best either. As i've got older my positional play and how I read the game has helped me cope with younger wingers, obviously a gulf in difference but alot of the fundametals are the same. The diamond formation i've always felt never works consistently. Any decent winger would fill his boots as it encourages the full backs to push on as well.

Anyway nothing to do with transfers. Anyone know if theres any developments?

[Dariomarcolin]

  On 19/08/2011 at 14:28, Kelbo said:

Wingers with pace murder most full backs, a good manager ensures there is plenty of cover for the full back in those situations, you show the winger the line, dont let him come inside and bring someone round the back to 'two him' then he has to play the ball either early or play it back, you nullify his game, one thing you dont try to do with pacey wingers is play a diamond formation!!

Surely being a full back you'd show the winger onto his weaker foot?

[stu07]

I cant see this being accurate - I would have thought 3.5 million max.

http://www.sportsvibe.co.uk/news/football/arsenal-and-england-under-21-starlet-to-make-5m-premier-league-move-10147/

[little_joe50]

I have a feeling that Jermaine Jones will end up on loan to us again near to the end of the window - does anyone know if the deal is currently being put forward?

I desperately hope so as he was immense for us in the last few weeks of the season. I'm also still unconvinced about our central midfield - we need ball winners in there to compliment our attacking prowess. We should be playing two as we did at the back end of last season and by my reckoning we only have three in the squad, with one of them being Grella. I don't consider Dunn or Pedersen able to play as one of the 2 in a 4-2-3-1 formation and hopefully we have seen the back of the diamond that Kean has experimented with.

Petrovic sounds promising but ultimately he is young and new to the league, so will likely need a bit of time to bed in. I'm not N'Zonzi's biggest fan either as his passing ability (or lack thereof) leaves me tearing my hair out, although I would concede he played well at the end of last season and is now an established Premiership midfielder.

[tugay02]

Very quiet on the inside information today.... does this mean nothing to inform?

[stu07]

  On 19/08/2011 at 14:51, Dariomarcolin said:

Surely being a full back you'd show the winger onto his weaker foot?

From experience, that doesn't always work.

It appears to be good news about Samba and Nelson. Will make us a much stronger outfit.

Down the middle is much stronger:

Nelson Samba

Petrovic Nzonzi

[Majiball]

  On 19/08/2011 at 14:51, Dariomarcolin said:

Surely being a full back you'd show the winger onto his weaker foot?

What difference does a weak foot make in a sprint race down your channel?

At the end of the day it all depends completely on that moment, but Kelbo's advice is right in the main of those situations.

[Eddie]

Let's not pretend that Salgado was 'murdered' by a pacey winger. He was outdone by the average speed of a few Wolves players, not torn to shreds by Lennon (which has also happened to him). His two crucial mistakes had nothing to do with pace, positioning or cover. He should have got something on the backpost header, it was unforgivable to be beaten in the air like that and there was no reason for him to dive in like he did when a player in the box poses no immediate danger.

[Dariomarcolin]

  On 19/08/2011 at 14:58, Majiball said:

What difference does a weak foot make in a sprint race down your channel?

At the end of the day it all depends completely on that moment, but Kelbo's advice is right in the main of those situations.

If you're a right back up against a left footed left winger you show him inside to keep him off his stronger foot, pace doesn't come into it as you have cover on the inside from midfielders. You don't show a left footer onto his stronger foot to whip balls in

[Hughesy]

Whats all this 'if your a full back' stuff?

If your against a quick player, you nobble them early on, putting doubt into their mind and possibly slowing them down with a little kick