Transfer Window Chat Thread

[bigbrandjohn]

We appear to be making the right moves. Could have some exciting players in the next few days. Let's take a deep breath for a month and support the cause. The last thing new players need is a bunch of nellies whingeing with every move. One win and we could be 8th. Trust the process. it ain't easy that's why the term is called die- hard supporter.

[stu07]

Great article, confrims what we all think. Unfortunately Venkys and Kean think we are all thick and are naive.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/blackburn-rovers/8716982/Henry-Winter-Venkys-falling-short-at-Blackburn-Rovers-compared-to-high-standards-set-by-Jack-Walker.html

I hope they start reading and take notice before its too late - get rid of Kean.

Also seen Cisse wants to leave, if Venkys want us to do well go and get this guy he's banging them in, at a small club. Class player who wants to play in the premiership - why dont we give him the platform. He'll get more goals than Raul.

[Nelsta]

Just a thought, Vukcevic is good at taking set pieces, Ibesivic is good with his head, and John is good in the box from set pieces....Are we not just reverting back to what we already did under Sam?

[MarkBRFC]

Just a thought, Vukcevic is good at taking set pieces, Ibesivic is good with his head, and John is good in the box from set pieces....Are we not just reverting back to what we already did under Sam?

Let's hope so, i don't know about you but i can't take much more of Kean's brand of entertaining football.

[A cup of beans]

We appear to be making the right moves. Could have some exciting players in the next few days. Let's take a deep breath for a month and support the cause. The last thing new players need is a bunch of nellies whingeing with every move. One win and we could be 8th. Trust the process. it ain't easy that's why the term is called die- hard supporter.

i agree.. shouldnt get on the players back. any hostility directed to the manager and owners has to be clear that its aimed at them and not the players.

exciting players.. they maybe. but i fear we need proven players. hope these players hit the ground running, cos they need to.

[Mattyblue]

We appear to be making the right moves. Could have some exciting players in the next few days. Let's take a deep breath for a month and support the cause. The last thing new players need is a bunch of nellies whingeing with every move. One win and we could be 8th. Trust the process. it ain't easy that's why the term is called die- hard supporter.

No, we are called 'die hard supporters', because we put the good of the club before anything else- Steve Kean is not good for the club.

[braddock]

Just a thought, Vukcevic is good at taking set pieces, Ibesivic is good with his head, and John is good in the box from set pieces....Are we not just reverting back to what we already did under Sam?

So we are linked with a defender who can head a ball (those are like gold dust), a winger who can cross (god damn it,, why can't we sign someone who can't?), and a striker who can play the lone roll and you presume it's going to be Allardyce stuff? Look at the majority of the teams in the premier league who play that system and you'll notice some similarities. Does every team play like Allardyce? I'm sure there will be some long ball, but it won't be all long ball and that's what Allardyce was.

[imy9]

Did Kean not inherit a mid table team and tookj them to the brink of relegation?

You have missed the point.

If the team last year had a couple of strikers who scored ten plus goals, say a Odemwingie (15) or a DJ Campbell (13) then we would not have been on the brink of relegation.

Similarly IF we sign FOUR or FIVE good players we will NOT be struggling, the quality of the squad needs improving- this is the fault of the owners NOT Kean.

[True Blue & White]

So we are linked with a defender who can head a ball (those are like gold dust), a winger who can cross (god damn it,, why can't we sign someone who can't?), and a striker who can play the lone roll and you presume it's going to be Allardyce stuff? Look at the majority of the teams in the premier league who play that system and you'll notice some similarities. Does every team play like Allardyce? I'm sure there will be some long ball, but it won't be all long ball and that's what Allardyce was.

Current statistics show that Liverpool are the most 'long ball' team in the Premiership, hitting far more long balls than the likes of Stoke for example. But of course this is contrary to how the media wants certain teams to be perceived which is why they'll never tar Kenny with the same brush they've tarred Allardyce with for years

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Current statistics show that Liverpool are the most 'long ball' team in the Premiership, hitting far more long balls than the likes of Stoke for example. But of course this is contrary to how the media wants certain teams to be perceived which is why they'll never tar Kenny with the sqame brush they've tarred Allardyce with for years

Well, they did in '95. I wonder why?

[philipl]

You have missed the point.

If the team last year had a couple of strikers who scored ten plus goals, say a Odemwingie (15) or a DJ Campbell (13) then we would not have been on the brink of relegation.

Similarly IF we sign FOUR or FIVE good players we will NOT be struggling, the quality of the squad needs improving- this is the fault of the owners NOT Kean.

A parallel universe far far away....

[Nelsta]

You should know the rules by now, Media darlings = Long Pass, everyone else is long ball!.

[imy9]

A parallel universe far far away....

So your argument is what exactly...?

Direct question IF Rovers had TWO strikers last season who scored a combined 28 PL goals would we have been languishing in the bottom 5?

The irony of your reply is clearly lost on you!

[braddock]

Current statistics show that Liverpool are the most 'long ball' team in the Premiership, hitting far more long balls than the likes of Stoke for example. But of course this is contrary to how the media wants certain teams to be perceived which is why they'll never tar Kenny with the sqame brush they've tarred Allardyce with for years

We were all there. We all watched Sam Allardyce's football. There is no way you can say it wasn't aimless long ball for humongous periods of the games. There was no support to the lone man and the long balls were aimless in the majority. I'm quite sure that doesn't apply to Liverpool right now, but if I'm wrong and Liverpool start to play like this then I'm sure the fans will disapprove, or at best for Kenny tolerate it if it brings a little success but only for a season or two, the same amount of time it takes people to get bored of Allardyce usually. I believe Mr Dalglish to have more about him than to play the way Allardyce does though.

Anyway, wrong topic for this and it's all been said before. Shame Petsy didn't sign up in time, look forward to seeing him soon though!

[Mercer]

So your argument is what exactly...?

Direct question IF Rovers had TWO strikers last season who scored a combined 28 PL goals would we have been languishing in the bottom 5?

The irony of your reply is clearly lost on you!

In answer to your question - we would have been in the top 6 in Sam's first full season in charge.

The most important person in any football club is the manager.

Yes, a manager needs decent players and a decent manager with decent players will get decent results.

However, decent players with a p1ss poor manager will not get decent results. History is littered with examples.

[rovers238]

You have missed the point.

If the team last year had a couple of strikers who scored ten plus goals, say a Odemwingie (15) or a DJ Campbell (13) then we would not have been on the brink of relegation.

Similarly IF we sign FOUR or FIVE good players we will NOT be struggling, the quality of the squad needs improving- this is the fault of the owners NOT Kean.

We could sign 11 players and still struggle under Kean.

When Kean took over from Allardyce he had 5 strikers Roberts, Kalinic, Hoillet, Benjani & MB Diouf. Between them they had only scored 6 goals. And we were mid table. Kean only added RSC to the strike force and the same strikers then contributed 15 goals and we were 90mins away from relegation.

If we were mid table on less goals under Allardyce (18) and the same squad (bar january transfers) scored 28 under Kean why were we then looking at going down?

The man has no idea and should go. And Venkys can not be blamed for the squad. Kean signs the players not Venkys

[Fife Rover]

Swap Formica for N'Zonzi and i think that side is ok.

Not a chance we are getting Onohua though.

It would certainly strengthen the defence no end though if we had a keeper (any keeper)

[brfcjon]

We were all there. We all watched Sam Allardyce's football. There is no way you can say it wasn't aimless long ball for humongous periods of the games. There was no support to the lone man and the long balls were aimless in the majority. I'm quite sure that doesn't apply to Liverpool right now, but if I'm wrong and Liverpool start to play like this then I'm sure the fans will disapprove, or at best for Kenny tolerate it if it brings a little success but only for a season or two, the same amount of time it takes people to get bored of Allardyce usually. I believe Mr Dalglish to have more about him than to play the way Allardyce does though.

Anyway, wrong topic for this and it's all been said before. Shame Petsy didn't sign up in time, look forward to seeing him soon though!

It was PL footie on a negative transfer budget (or very close to negative anyway) though. I am not a Sam fan as such but I can appreciate when you can see that a team is organized and know what to do. It is a team game and Barca style is only one way of doing things. Dont think that any manager could play possession football with the team Sam had at his disposal. Again - not a Sam fan and didnt like watching Rovers last fall - but with the players we had then at least there was a concept that could be build from...

Kean on the other hand has had 8 month to instill a philosophy, an organization and create a TEAM. He has done the opposite. Destroyed every shadow of a team, concept and defensive organization. Even the prospect of individual performances has diminished as the team concept has become gradually weaker thus reducing confidence and the optimism to try creative solutions.

As you said - anyway, back up topic (and more Kean bashing). The players we are after and have signed are just panic signings. We needed gaps filled and we have filled them, but to me it doesnt seem like there is a concept behind it - especially with the way they say we want to play. I think Petrovic will be a top player for us in the long run, I think Vukcevic could do something and Goodwillie is better than what we have, but....

These are individuals who does not solve the balance problems we have and they dont seem to have any outstanding competences (Vukcevic is a stand out passer and set pieces but we as a team wont be able to retain the ball in order for him to make enough impact alone when we defensively will be under so much pressure) . Both our backs are easy areas to exploit. BOTH! in modern football - come on!

We havent replaced the brightest english talent our sought to limit the impact of injuries to the aging Nelsen. Jonh is coming in, but we need at least one more quality defender. No matter if you play sam style or as Arsenal - Football is a team game and that means balance is all important. Just ask Mourinho and look at the signings he is making at Madrid - it is about the concept first and individuals later.

[Guest Rovers4Good]

Hold on, let's not forget that a lot of the mess we find ourselves in now is a result of previous management.

When Allardyce left our options at forward were Roberts, Mame Biram Diouf (Loan) and Kalinic.

A large amount of blame can be placed on Allardyce/Williams for rushing the Kalinic transfer and overspending on a target that I doubt they had scouted properly (we spent all summer chasing other targets and then when Portsmouth closed in on Kalinic we went for him when we had run out of options).

We had major problems in central midfield (Andrews, Dunn, Grella, N'Zonzi)

Again most of the blame lies elsewhere, with Andrews and Grella being poor signings from the Ince regime. Now Andrews isn't that bad for the price paid, but we spent a reasonable amount on Grella and have got nothing from him. Whilst Kean is certainly messing things up, at least he is the first manager in a long time to attempt to address our shortcomings in central midfield (which he did well last year with Jones and hopefully will have done again this season).

Add onto that we have mediocre players being overpaid (Salgado, Diouf, Pedersen, Emerton, Givet).

Kean certainly deserves criticism, but a lot of these problems have been a long time coming.

Granted some of the problems have been a long time coming but let's face it Kean is a yes man and will do and say anythign to keep the Venky's happy.

Also, being a manager of a club is all about getting the best and making the best out of the people you work with and the situations you find yourself in. My mum could manage the team better than Kean at the present time and yes there have been certain legacies left but this man as time and time again gone out of his way to deflect questions about our fine club and the ongoings in the transfer market. Also, when pulled over by police for drink driving he at first said no i've not had a drink, to yes i've had 2 1/2 glasses of wine to pleading not guilty in court to then pleading guilty and saying his drink was spiked??

The guy is a moron who is running our club into the ground with the help of some chicken farmers who have no idea what it's like to run a top flight club (soon to be 2nd tear club)

[Mercer]

It would certainly strengthen the defence no end though if we had a keeper (any keeper)

You mean Robbo's off to pastures new !?!?

[Taggart]

Apparently vuckevic is done and dusted

SkyGraemeBaileyGraeme Bailey Blackburn confirm the signing of Simon Vukcevic on a three-year contract from Sporting Lisbon. #brfc

[True Blue & White]

Apparently vuckevic is done and dusted

SkyGraemeBaileyGraeme Bailey Blackburn confirm the signing of Simon Vukcevic on a three-year contract from Sporting Lisbon. #brfc

So people keep saying, still not on the Rovers site or LT though...

[xtp]

http://www.blackburn.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=252403

Still not up on rovers.co.uk though

[John]

Kean has confirmed the deal.

[TheTMX]

A press conference is happening at the moment, sure once it finishes the deal will be confirmed on the website. Guessing it's is breaking through all the Journos that are there briefly tweeting the news on their phones.