Transfer Window Chat Thread

[BigUts]

I thought Goodwillie played well.

His finish was exceptional and very much perfect compared to how you would want a striker to shoot from that distance.

His diagonal runs to open up the space were good, and he constantly ran across the line. Also, his finish for the offside 'goal' showed class!

All in all, an 8/10 from me!

[den]

Last season, also on the 24th August, Mame Diouf scored a hattrick in his first cup game for us.

Just saying

and Villanueva looked very good against Grimsby. It's obvious that DG can't play the lone front man. Does he have the technique to play the deeper role?

We/I will get a better idea after the Everton game.

[newfan]

coming up in ssn rovers match

[roversfanben]

and Villanueva looked very good against Grimsby. It's obvious that DG can't play the lone front man. Does he have the technique to play the deeper role?

We/I will get a better idea after the Everton game.

Both your points are rather moot here. I was simply replying to your comment about him not being impressive. Obviously he did so against crap opposition, but you can only play against what's in front of you during the game.

[Mercer]

How much has Kean seen of any of these players being touted ?

He's claimed to have seen Vukcevic and John "on a number of occasions".

Well, given the number of names on lists A, B, C etc and the number of bids put in and the inference that he's seen these players several times, this man must never rest, never sleep, be rarely in the country and have a unique ability to be in many places at the same time.

If what he claims is correct, he must have carried out over 200 scouting missions at least, since being appointed manager. Also claimed in May that new player recruitment was on the back burner until we were safe. Something doesn't add-up !

Hmmm.

[den]

Both your points are rather moot here. I was simply replying to your comment about him not being impressive. Obviously he did so against crap opposition, but you can only play against what's in front of you during the game.

Well yes, he did OK last night, but I was trying to make a judgement of how he would likely cope against real opposition.

[roversfanben]

Well yes, he did OK last night, but I was trying to make a judgement of how he would likely cope against real opposition.

I'm confident he'll do well. More concerned about Rochina, he can't play the way he did last night, against Everton, or he'll have his ass handed to him by their midfield and defense.

[booth]

You must've watched a different match to me and the rest of the people at Ewood, then. Because everyone I spoke to agreed that Goodwillie played very well last night.

I thought he played well, it's only his third match in and let's face it there are a lot of new faces. Can't be easy to adapt/gel with your teammates. I'm of the opinion that if he scores one in the league he'll score a hatful. I'm happy with what I've seen from him so far.

[den]

We are lacking Premier League experience in the side, with Emerton possibly going we are now desperately short of experienced players, we seem to have adopted a policy of buying players with very little or no Premier League experience, that is a huge risk, today's result just papers over the cracks. No way will we get that much space in the Premier League.

We NEED to sign a couple of players with Premier League experience but it doesn't look like we are going down that route.

You're right Kamy.

Talk on here about rovers going in the right direction with a "business plan" of going for young, cheap players with potential. That's what the academy's for. Nothing wrong at all with snapping the odd one up, but which PL club has survived by going down the young, with potential route only?

It's about balance and as you say, at the moment we don't have that balance.

[Eddie]

Arsenal?

[Kelbo]

You're right Kamy.

Talk on here about rovers going in the right direction with a "business plan" of going for young, cheap players with potential. That's what the academy's for. Nothing wrong at all with snapping the odd one up, but which PL club has survived by going down the young, with potential route only?

It's about balance and as you say, at the moment we don't have that balance.

Thats exactly right, the young players have undoubtedly got skill and talent, but there simply has got to be an age/experience balance plus positional balance and at the moment, we appear to have neither. Emerton should have stayed until the Jan window, simply for his versatility and experience. We cant keep letting experienced players leave and simply replace with players we dont know for sure can compete at Premier League level!

Last night, even against an understrength division one team, there were lots of areas where they were quicker than us and our midfield at times were caught too far up the park, in top flight football, you will get murdered doing that.

[eire3382]

Arsenal?

They do buy young but the buy quality and spend a pretty penny doing it. We can't afford to spend the kind of money they do.

[Eddie]

I was just saying that there has been evidence that young sides can be successful. Our team isn't entirely young, we have enough experience throughout the squad (Robinson, Nelsen, Samba, Givet, Salgado, MGP, Dunn, Roberts), not to mention the fact that even some of our younger players have a decent amount of experience in the premier league (N'Zonzi, Olsson).

[Dave S]

Rovers need players with Premier league experience. But recent history shows that generally this hasn't happened. Rovers create players who become experienced Premier league players.

Emerton, Tugay had no Premier league experience at all before coming to Rovers.

In recent years the experienced Premier league players signed have been, Benjani,Santa Cruz on loan, Chimbonda, Jacobsen, EH Diouf, Robinson, Fowler.....Before this we have to look back to 2006 for Jason Roberts and Stephen Warnock.

Most experienced players we have signed have come from abroad or in the case of Samba gained experience with Rovers.

Just a point.

[otto man]

Rovers need players with Premier league experience. But recent history shows that generally this hasn't happened. Rovers create players who become experienced Premier league players.

Emerton, Tugay had no Premier league experience at all before coming to Rovers.

In recent years the experienced players have been, Benjani,Santa Cruz on loan, Chimbonda, Jacobsen, EH Diouf,Robinson, Fowler.....Before this we have to look back to 2006 for Jason Roberts and Stephen Warnock.

Most experienced players we have signed have come from abroad or in the case of Samba gained experience with Rovers.

Just a point.

And a very good point it is too! +1

[Eddie]

It's a very good point. Add to that the fact that our record of signing players from other Premier League clubs is fairly poor.

[den]

I was just saying that there has been evidence that young sides can be successful. Are team isn't entirely young, we have enough experience throughout the squad (Robinson, Nelsen, Samba, Givet, Salgado, MGP, Dunn, Roberts), not to mention the fact that even some of our younger players have a decent amount of experience in the premier league (N'Zonzi, Olsson).

What are you talking about Eddie?

The rest of us are talking about whether rovers can survive in the Prem, by solely going down the young, with potential and cheap route. Arsenal's wage and transfer budget for the younger players at the club will no doubt be far higher than rovers outlay for the whole squad.

No club can survive in the PL by bringing in young, cheap players only. Experience is absolutely vital.

[jona2a]

3 clubs have submitted bids for Cisse

blackburn..?

[LeChuck]

You're right Kamy.

Talk on here about rovers going in the right direction with a "business plan" of going for young, cheap players with potential. That's what the academy's for. Nothing wrong at all with snapping the odd one up, but which PL club has survived by going down the young, with potential route only?

It's about balance and as you say, at the moment we don't have that balance.

The thing is, it doesn't cost money to add Premier League experience to your team.

I completely agree with the policy of spending transfer fee money on young players with potential. That's the only way we can survive without constant financial support.

We need to start balancing that with experienced PL players on free transfers. There have been plenty knocking around this summer who we have missed out on - the likes of Reo-Coker, Matthew Upson etc would have really helped us in this early part of the season.

There is nothing wrong with signing unfashionable but solid players if they're experienced in the PL. Look at sides who regularly finish in the top half (excluded the big teams) - they have a solid base of experienced British players; Everton, Stoke, Fulham etc. A lot of unfashionable names but they provide the stability needed to be consistent.

Like you say Den, it's all about balance. I think the balance is ok in defence in attack, we have good PL experience there, but in midfield is completely wrong.

[AJW]

although i agree 1 or 2 exp PL players are needed in this squad but , and i know he's only young but , N'zonzi is in his 3rd year now as a PL player now

[Eddie]

What are you talking about Eddie?

The rest of us are talking about whether rovers can survive in the Prem, by solely going down the young, with potential and cheap route. Arsenal's wage and transfer budget for the younger players at the club will no doubt be far higher than rovers outlay for the whole squad.

No club can survive in the PL by bringing in young, cheap players only. Experience is absolutely vital.

My point was that we already have a reasonable about of experience in the club.

Would you rather we sign players of the calibre of Jason Roberts? Sure, he doesn't score much, but he's been knocking about the premier league for a few seasons so he is will worth the higher fee and inflated salary.

[callumrovers]

We already have alot of experienced players at the club, (Salgaldo,Samba,Nelson,Givet,Robinson,Dunn,Pedersen,Roberts not to mention Ollson and Nzonzi who have been playing for the last two years.Our problem before Venkys took over was that we hardly had any young talent playing, I bet before they took over our average squad age was atleast 28. We now have a mix of young quality players and experienced ones. I dont see where everyone gets the idea of we need more experienced players? I would rather us buy these young players and not get ripped off.

The only major player we have sold is Phil Jones. We got 20 million for him. Good bussiness.

We still have almost all the squad together - and before people start saying we have got rid of 11 players etc etc.

Andrews was ######, Diouf if past it, Benjani is crap, and i put money on it the other players we have sold were either not good enough for the first team, or getting old.

I dont think we need premiership experience players when we already have atleast 8 who have been in the premiership for more than 3 years.

I for one am quietly pleased with what Venkys and Kean have been doing in the transfer market.

I think because we lost the first two games there is now mass hysteria, i am willing to bet tho when we have our full strength team out playing, we will be absolutley fine.

Last point. People saying why aint Venkys investing their own money and only using the Phil Jones money to buy players with, surely if a bussiness makes a profit from something they spend the profit first rather than eating into their own money?

Atleast they are not being reckless with their money and spending 30 million on players willy nilly. I would rather they do what they are doing now then create alot of debt for the club.

Everyone needs to lay off them abit.

Rant over

[stu07]

3 clubs have submitted bids for Cisse

blackburn..?

I hope it is us. I'm annoyed its taken this long to bid if it us. He was identified last season and if Spurs or Sunderland bid for him, they are arguably a more attractive proposition than us. If he speaks to Kean, Kean has to makee it known how much he's wanted and he'll play every game.

Said all summer he's the one player we really need and him and ibisevic would be great strikers for us for then next 3 to 5 years. I would also go on record as saying we'll stay up with these two as our front line and Samba stayting. Getting players like Cisse would show just how ambitious we are are and would attract big players to the club.

I'm sure some will disagree but I just think a goalscorer would give us hope of top 10 never mind relegation.

[briansol]

You're right Kamy.

Talk on here about rovers going in the right direction with a "business plan" of going for young, cheap players with potential. That's what the academy's for. Nothing wrong at all with snapping the odd one up, but which PL club has survived by going down the young, with potential route only?

It's about balance and as you say, at the moment we don't have that balance.

I think you are referring to my previous post, but I didn't just say "young and potential". I mentioned quality which transcends age. Players like Ibisevic and Vukicinic(? are established players bought for their quality not their potential. A player like Petrovic is already a regular international with Champions League experience and probably fits both quality and potential aspect. Goodwillie and George John are more on the potential side coming from poorer leagues, even though both are regular first team players that have performed great in their leagues. If you compare what they would have cost coming from the Championship it is at least half the price and the level is probably on par.

I admit the lack of PL experience is worrying, preferably you would buy top players from Premier League if money was unlimited. Clubs not being able to afford Carlton Cole(Stoke) and Scott Parker just show how expensive it is. We should though at least try to bring in someone like Bullard to better balance the squad. Finding a proven 10+ goal Premiership striker is impossible, probably only Crouch available, but is he is too old and expensive.

[Tony Diamond Inc]

We already have alot of experienced players at the club, (Salgaldo,Samba,Nelson,Givet,Robinson,Dunn,Pedersen,Roberts not to mention Ollson and Nzonzi who have been playing for the last two years.Our problem before Venkys took over was that we hardly had any young talent playing, I bet before they took over our average squad age was atleast 28. We now have a mix of young quality players and experienced ones. I dont see where everyone gets the idea of we need more experienced players? I would rather us buy these young players and not get ripped off.

The only major player we have sold is Phil Jones. We got 20 million for him. Good bussiness.

We still have almost all the squad together - and before people start saying we have got rid of 11 players etc etc.

Andrews was ######, Diouf if past it, Benjani is crap, and i put money on it the other players we have sold were either not good enough for the first team, or getting old.

I dont think we need premiership experience players when we already have atleast 8 who have been in the premiership for more than 3 years.

I for one am quietly pleased with what Venkys and Kean have been doing in the transfer market.

I think because we lost the first two games there is now mass hysteria, i am willing to bet tho when we have our full strength team out playing, we will be absolutley fine.

Last point. People saying why aint Venkys investing their own money and only using the Phil Jones money to buy players with, surely if a bussiness makes a profit from something they spend the profit first rather than eating into their own money?

Atleast they are not being reckless with their money and spending 30 million on players willy nilly. I would rather they do what they are doing now then create alot of debt for the club.

Everyone needs to lay off them abit.

Rant over

...and what a good rant it was.

Premier League experience? The tremblers are at it again. We could go and buy half of Allardyce's squad- they have PL experience, but it won't guarantee us anything.

Emile Heskey? Now there's a striker with PL experience...shudder!!!