Transfer Window Chat Thread

[ewoodnews]

We already have alot of experienced players at the club, (Salgaldo,Samba,Nelson,Givet,Robinson,Dunn,Pedersen,Roberts not to mention Ollson and Nzonzi who have been playing for the last two years.Our problem before Venkys took over was that we hardly had any young talent playing, I bet before they took over our average squad age was atleast 28. We now have a mix of young quality players and experienced ones. I dont see where everyone gets the idea of we need more experienced players? I would rather us buy these young players and not get ripped off.

The only major player we have sold is Phil Jones. We got 20 million for him. Good bussiness.

We still have almost all the squad together - and before people start saying we have got rid of 11 players etc etc.

Andrews was ######, Diouf if past it, Benjani is crap, and i put money on it the other players we have sold were either not good enough for the first team, or getting old.

I dont think we need premiership experience players when we already have atleast 8 who have been in the premiership for more than 3 years.

I for one am quietly pleased with what Venkys and Kean have been doing in the transfer market.

I think because we lost the first two games there is now mass hysteria, i am willing to bet tho when we have our full strength team out playing, we will be absolutley fine.

Last point. People saying why aint Venkys investing their own money and only using the Phil Jones money to buy players with, surely if a bussiness makes a profit from something they spend the profit first rather than eating into their own money?

Atleast they are not being reckless with their money and spending 30 million on players willy nilly. I would rather they do what they are doing now then create alot of debt for the club.

Everyone needs to lay off them abit.

Rant over

Agree we have to stay within our budget no point spending loads of money then ending up like pompy or leeds where it takes you along time to get back into prem.

Petrovic was wanted by utd and spurs last years so to get him for 3m is a bargin. Then we beat of Rangers ( At the time a CL club) to goodwillie and now we seem to be lining up a few more signings. Its not about the first two games its about the season as a whole. Our team is already good enough to stay up. We just need to give kean time because our last two managers havent had the time to build there OWN squad and i think venkys are given kean that time. Ok it might mean fighting of relagtion but i will State now that BLACKBURN ROVERS WILL FINISH AT LEAST 15th this season.

[Sparky Marky]

Id like us to go for Vladamir Weiss at citeh...apparently considering a move to wigan.

[Nelsta]

Id like us to go for Vladamir Weiss at citeh...apparently considering a move to wigan.

isnt he signing for Dynamo Kiev?

[Amo]

Id like us to go for Vladamir Weiss at citeh...apparently considering a move to wigan.

Time we bought a centre-back, holding midfielder, and a striker before another playmaker.

[stu07]

Id like us to go for Vladamir Weiss at citeh...apparently considering a move to wigan.

Thought the same the other day. Good player, Diouf out and Weiss in I'd be happy with that.

[den]

My point was that we already have a reasonable about of experience in the club.

Would you rather we sign players of the calibre of Jason Roberts? Sure, he doesn't score much, but he's been knocking about the premier league for a few seasons so he is will worth the higher fee and inflated salary.

Would I like to sign another Jason Roberts?

No point continuing this.

[callumrovers]

Would I like to sign another Jason Roberts?

No point continuing this.

Den i think you are missing the point. We already have experienced premiership players, it is now the time for quality youngsters to be brought in - which has been achieved.

[Taggart]

Time we bought a centre-back, holding midfielder, and a striker before another playmaker.

Ermm, I thought both NZonzi, Petrovic, Grella are all defensive/Holding midfielders Topman.

We need 2 strikers, 1 centre back, and 2 if Samba leaves - and if there is anythign left in the pot, then a left/right back.

Glad to see everyone has now moved on from the fact that Venkys have money to spend and are doeing so in a considerate way - that soon died a death after the signings

[eire3382]

Den i think you are missing the point. We already have experienced premiership players, it is now the time for quality youngsters to be brought in - which has been achieved.

The danger is how long they take to settle in a new country, but they may be fine thats the risk Kean is taking.

[LeChuck]

We already have experienced premiership players

Lay out what you consider to be our best midfield/attack combination and let's see how much PL experience is in there.

I think we are fine in defence, very experienced back there.

No-one is arguing that we needed an injection of younger players, but the balance doesn't look right now.

[callumrovers]

Lay out what you consider to be our best midfield/attack combination and let's see how much PL experience is in there.

I think we are fine in defence, very experienced back there.

No-one is arguing that we needed an injection of younger players, but the balance doesn't look right now.

Nzonzi,Dunn,Pedersen,Roberts and Hoillet played all last season. There is 5 players there that all have premiership experience.

We have brought in, Petrovic,Vukuvic,Formica,Rochina,Goodwillie.

Thats 5 experienced players and 5 young players.

How isnt the balance right?

[Taggart]

The danger is how long they take to settle in a new country, but they may be fine thats the risk Kean is taking.

There is always danger with settling in, doesn`t mean to say that if they have experience, that they will automatically settle. There is always risks atatched to all signings, of various degrees and permitations.

The whole window and speculation has changed over the last 2 weeks which is good, and we have moved on to the debate of expereince now, after an injection of youth - all in all, not a bad thing to be debating, makes a change from the debate as to whether we are goign to sign anyone at all

[Emge]

This is probably whats going to happen:

George John, Vukcevic, Ibisevic in and Samba to Arsenal/Spurs

But what I wished happen is this:

G John, Vukcevic, Cisse, Onouha in and keep Samba!

[LeChuck]

Nzonzi,Dunn,Pedersen,Roberts and Hoillet played all last season. There is 5 players there that all have premiership experience.

We have brought in, Petrovic,Vukuvic,Formica,Rochina,Goodwillie.

Thats 5 experienced players and 5 young players.

How isnt the balance right?

Hoilett and N'Zonzi aren't experienced Premier League players. They have Premier League experience, yes, but simply having played in the Premier League isn't enough to count as 'experienced'. They're 21 and 22 respectively, to be counting on them as the experienced heads of the team is ridiculous.

Those two should be in the younger category. It's only because of the lack of genuine experience that you've shoe-horned them into the experienced category. No-one, other than someone trying to stick a positive twist on things, would put a 21 and 22 year old into the experienced bracket.

Anyway, you didn't answer my question. Lay out what you believe to be our strongest midfield and attack, I want to see how much experience is in there.

[Eddie]

As things stand?

It would contain a few players with European, International and Premier League experience.

This is a strictly anti-Kean and anti-Venkys argument. In previous seasons we have consistently signed players who lacked any real premier league experience, it is the nature of being one of the smaller sides in the league. Some have not bad it, but a very good percentage have and many of them have become some of our best players (you can currently look at Nelsen, Samba, MGP, Emerton, N'Zonzi) and before that there are even better examples (Tugay, Neill, Santa Cruz, McCarthy...). This lists could go on.

Experience is useful, but quality is more important. If we can bring in talented players then we are likely to be successful.

[callumrovers]

They both have been playing for 2 years in the premiership, so in my book that counts as an experienced premiership player, (both know what it takes to make it in the prem.)

Thats not a valid point as we are not going to be able to play our strongest midfield all the time, its about rotation. We can mix the young guns in with the experienced midfield players and each can help each other.

How do you also expect me to say what our strongest midfield is when we are two games into the season, the transfer window hasnt shut yet, and players are getting back into it.

Is it that hard to grasp the concept?

[67splitscreen]

Hoilett and N'Zonzi aren't experienced Premier League players. They have Premier League experience, yes, but simply having played in the Premier League isn't enough to count as 'experienced'. They're 21 and 22 respectively, to be counting on them as the experienced heads of the team is ridiculous.

Those two should be in the younger category. It's only because of the lack of genuine experience that you've shoe-horned them into the experienced category. No-one, other than someone trying to stick a positive twist on things, would put a 21 and 22 year old into the experienced bracket.

Anyway, you didn't answer my question. Lay out what you believe to be our strongest midfield and attack, I want to see how much experience is in there.

Starting to twist the debate a little there LC, but go on.

------------------N'Zonzi (55)

------Dunn (200+)-------MGP (200+)

Hoilett (47)-----------------Olsson (61)

---------------Roberts (200+)

Now you replace with your choice with who you think we should have signed with the experience we need.

[rovers238]

Hoilett and N'Zonzi aren't experienced Premier League players. They have Premier League experience, yes, but simply having played in the Premier League isn't enough to count as 'experienced'. They're 21 and 22 respectively, to be counting on them as the experienced heads of the team is ridiculous.

Hoilett I will accept but to say N'Zonzi is not an experienced Premier Leauge footballer I wont accept.

Age, in my opinion has little bearing on experience it is down to the fact that he has been doing a job for Rovers for 3 years. That is 3 years in the senior squad playing at the highest level in English football. To argue that he is not experienced is farcical.

[BiggusLaddus]

2yrs. And he didn't play in the first half of last season, so only 1.5 seasons actually in the first team.

[LeChuck]

Is it that hard to grasp the concept?

Seeing as we totally differ on our definitions of 'experienced players' I'll stop the debate here. If we took this debate outside of a Rovers board I doubt you'd find many people agreeing with 21 and 22 year olds being classed as your experienced players though.

Starting to twist the debate a little there LC, but go on.

------------------N'Zonzi (55)

------Dunn (200+)-------MGP (200+)

Hoilett (47)-----------------Olsson (61)

---------------Roberts (200+)

Now you replace with your choice with who you think we should have signed with the experience we need.

Honestly I'm not trying to twist it. I'm concerned about how much experience will be in our starting 11.

You've just picked the most experienced players there and not what would be considered the strongest 11. The result is a **** team! If we play Dunn and Pedersen in midfield and Roberts up front for a season we will be relegated. And Olsson is left back, that's obvious by now.

I've said several times over the last week that I'm encouraged by our transfer policy this summer, I've been saying for years that any transfer fees should be spent on players with the potential to increase in value. All I'm saying is that we may have gone too far, we don't have anywhere near as much experience as most other PL clubs. The fact that people are saying we can include 21 and 22 year olds as our experienced players only serves to confirm this to me.

[Taggart]

2yrs. And he didn't play in the first half of last season, so only 1.5 seasons actually in the first team.

Premier league experience isn`t just about the 90 minutes on the pitch on matchday ! its about training as a premier league player, playing with players of better ability or technique than yourself, and encouragign you to adjust to become a premier league player standard - its about havign the diet, and training regimes of a premier league player, dealing with the presuures and finances of being a premier league player, and THEN, couple that with the experience of playing competitive premier league match time.

I would say that Nzonzi is begginning to become an experienced premiership player, as well as Hoilett and Ollson

[callumrovers]

Seeing as we totally differ on our definitions of 'experienced players' I'll stop the debate here. If we took this debate outside of a Rovers board I doubt you'd find many people agreeing with 21 and 22 year olds being classed as your experienced players though.

Honestly I'm not trying to twist it. I'm concerned about how much experience will be in our starting 11.

You've just picked the most experienced players there and not what would be considered the strongest 11. The result is a **** team! If we play Dunn and Pedersen in midfield and Roberts up front for a season we will be relegated. And Olsson is left back, that's obvious by now.

I've said several times over the last week that I'm encouraged by our transfer policy this summer, I've been saying for years that any transfer fees should be spent on players with the potential to increase in value. All I'm saying is that we may have gone too far, we don't have anywhere near as much experience as most other PL clubs. The fact that people are saying we can include 21 and 22 year olds as our experienced players only serves to confirm this to me.

You asked him to pick the strongest midfield. He gave you his strongest midfield out of the players he can judge and has seen. How can you expect people to pick the their strongest midfield when we have hardly seen Rochina and Formica and we havent seen Vukevic at all.

That is definatley our strongest midfield without seeing the other players.

[LeChuck]

You asked him to pick the strongest midfield. He gave you his strongest midfield out of the players he can judge and has seen. How can you expect people to pick the their strongest midfield when we have hardly seen Rochina and Formica and we havent seen Vukevic at all.

That is definatley our strongest midfield without seeing the other players.

If Dunn and Pedersen form part of our strongest midfield then we're are screwed. To borrow a post from the Everton match thread...

Enjoyable read that phil, nice one.

Tough one to call, my main issue is that our midfield is looking poorer by the week, if Pedersen and Dunn start we are staring down the barrel.

We've all been complaining about those two for years!

[joey_big_nose]

I have to say I agree with LeChuck here - we are really missing some characters who not only have quality but also can inspire those around them. Sometimes this can be achieved by the very young - see Phil Jones last season - but usually comes from those who have self confidence to communicate with those around them built on knowing what the demands and environment are.

I think everyone would feel a lot more confident about our ability to command and control games, keep our heads up and maintain our shape if we had a Jermaine Jones and a Raul to call on. We need inspirational characters.

I really hope we can bring a couple in - like Jones or Raul - before the window closes. All our strongest leaders are in defence and goal - we need more of those further up the pitch. Roberts, Dunn, Perdersen, Grella have all been round the block but as it stands it is hard to see how they will be playing regularly as they just don't have the quality. Hoilett, Olsson, Nzonzi do but they are quiet young men finding their feet in the game.

A calm head or two - particularly in midfield - could be the difference between relegation or not in my opinion.

[67splitscreen]

Seeing as we totally differ on our definitions of 'experienced players' I'll stop the debate here. If we took this debate outside of a Rovers board I doubt you'd find many people agreeing with 21 and 22 year olds being classed as your experienced players though.

Honestly I'm not trying to twist it. I'm concerned about how much experience will be in our starting 11.

You've just picked the most experienced players there and not what would be considered the strongest 11. The result is a **** team! If we play Dunn and Pedersen in midfield and Roberts up front for a season we will be relegated. And Olsson is left back, that's obvious by now.

I've said several times over the last week that I'm encouraged by our transfer policy this summer, I've been saying for years that any transfer fees should be spent on players with the potential to increase in value. All I'm saying is that we may have gone too far, we don't have anywhere near as much experience as most other PL clubs. The fact that people are saying we can include 21 and 22 year olds as our experienced players only serves to confirm this to me.

You can only blame the failings of previous regimes on the current transfer strategy. I agree it's not good but you have avoided what would be your remedy.

My players in purely on football merits, two out of the three are guesses at fees. All have moved or about to so would have been available.

D Cisse 5m 40kpw - Lazio

Barton 2m signing on fee 40/50kpw- QPR

NRC 1m signing on fee 30kpw - Bolton

Would have added O'Hara but he doesn't fall into your categorisation IMO.

Leaving us with:

---------------N'Zonzi

--------NRC-----------Barton

Hoilett--------------------Olsson

---------------Cisse.

Even that lacks goals IMO from MF.

We could play this game for ever.

Time for a short break back in nine days.