[Archived] Reasons for Optimism

[CaliRoverNYC]

Ok so I know that Rovers supporters can be some of the most pessimistic in the country but I'm sure there are others, like me ,that are still excited and optimistic for the coming season.

Why am I excited? I'm excited to see what Rochina and Formica can do, and I want to see a full season of Junior.

What's your reason to be optimistic for the season?

[philipl]

Just lost my optimism.

[tonyoz]

Just lost my optimism.

Come on Philipl, you lost it long ago. I hope the black clouds disappear soon; we all want to see some good stuff this season.

[Nelsta]

Dunno where else to put this, Talksports sports breakfast are focusing on a different team each day.

Today it's Rovers, a interview with Dunny is due soon.

[LeftWinger]

Just lost my optimism.

Is this technically off topic? You should be banned from this thread Philip

[alexanders]

RFHNOL + NS

[Brfcrule1]

Cali you really are something else in this time of doom & gloom your trying to put a positive spin on things. I suppose Rochina & Cato are reasons to be positive but the wrongs far outweigh the rights by a country mile. No major signings as yet the squad is weaker since we lost both Jones boys,Kalinic,MB Diouf,Santa. No shirt sponsor in sight yet they knew months before the end of the season Crown would not renew. This should have been done before the end of last season so we will be wearing shirts with no sponsor making us the biggest laughing stock of the premiership to massive proportions. We have not even released the numbers the players will be wearing & quite frankly there is no excuse. Almost every other prem side has their new kits out, & as for wearing a shirt with no sponsor or some charity firm that just makes us look unprofessional & incompetant & sends out a very serious message to the world about how Venkys run things. Also given the fact the owners never come to a fans forum to explain their poor decisions to us suffering fans is not doing them any favours. Quite frankly unless good players arrive soon there is not much to be optimistic about unless you consider playing championship football a reason to be cheerful about. In 16 years supporting this club never have I felt so worried,Disillusioned & not optimistic about the coming season at all.

Rant Over!.

[AspRover]

Can we have some sort of rule in place whereby if Rovers have a solid season, finishing comfortably outside the relegation zone, all the doom merchants on this board, particularly those who feel the need to slag off everyone who doesn't share their viewpoint at every available turn, have to run naked through Burnley on a saturday night shouting 'Six fingered bar stewards' at anyone they see whilst carrying a sizeable banner with BLACKBURN ROVERS, a heart and a large photo of Mrs D. ?

[Al]

Can we have some sort of rule in place whereby if Rovers have a solid season, finishing comfortably outside the relegation zone, all the doom merchants on this board, particularly those who feel the need to slag off everyone who doesn't share their viewpoint at every available turn, have to run naked through Burnley on a saturday night shouting 'Six fingered bar stewards' at anyone they see whilst carrying a sizeable banner with BLACKBURN ROVERS, a heart and a large photo of Mrs D. ?

And vice versa when we are relegated!

[Mattyblue]

Can we have some sort of rule in place whereby if Rovers have a solid season, finishing comfortably outside the relegation zone, all the doom merchants on this board, particularly those who feel the need to slag off everyone who doesn't share their viewpoint at every available turn, have to run naked through Burnley on a saturday night shouting 'Six fingered bar stewards' at anyone they see whilst carrying a sizeable banner with BLACKBURN ROVERS, a heart and a large photo of Mrs D. ?

What is a 'Doom Merchant', just because people come on here and have a moan doesn't mean they won't be desperately hoping for a good season.

Some folk just can't get their heads around that showing dissent on a message board is not akin to wanting the club to fail.

[AspRover]

No, I get that perfectly. I've just seen a few posts over the last couple of days where someone posts something vaguely positive and optimistic and gets instantly completely slated for it by a (admitedly probably small) minority of other posters.

It's starting to annoy me a bit. I'll have a good old moan about Rovers on here from time to time, and I like to be able to do that, and I'll be cheerful and optimistic about them when I can muster it, and I like to be able to do that too.

Also, re the relegation thing - what's the counter proposal?

[chaddyrovers]

is what David Dunn said this morning on Talksport

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/listen-again/episode/44303.

He start talking about 5.30 mins in from the start

[yoda]

"Reasons for Optimism upcoming season"

This is going to be short thread

[jim mk2]

This time last year, I was looking forward to the new season. We'd finished 10th the season before, we had a very good manager in place and despite the lack of money for signings there was every reason to believe we could do better.

Twelve months on, the club has been sold to owners who know nothing about football and have made one crass decision after another, we have a manager who took us to the brink of relegation last season and the squad that ended last season has been weakened further by the loss of our best centre half and a key midfield player.

It is now less than 2 weeks to the start of the season and we have not replaced the players who have left, never mind strengthened the squad, and the club has missed out on one transfer target after another and appears unwilling / unable to spend any decent money despite promises to the contrary..

I'm dreading the new season - what is there to be optimistic about ?

[grizfoot]

This messageboard has got a serious grumpy old men syndrome, there's plenty to look forward to and to be optimistic about. By all means moan about the weather or about your job but isn't football suppose to be for the large part an enjoyable experience.

I look forward to the prospect of Rovers playing some good attacking football under the leadership of Kean which we saw in flashes last season. The hopeful further development of our good set of young players in Olsson, Holiett, Nzonzi, Rochina & Formica.

Optimstic about the fact the owners haven't gone silly and paid over the odds for average players. Buying players at equal or below their true value is surely the only thing to do from a business point of view.

[den]

Optimstic about the fact the owners haven't gone silly and paid over the odds for average players. Buying players at equal or below their true value is surely the only thing to do from a business point of view.

No mate, if the player you want is available and you have the money, then sign him. Go looking for cheap deals and you'll get nowhere.

[True Blue & White]

I suppose we should cheer up if only to enjoy our last season in the top flight for a long while...does that count?

Optimstic about the fact the owners haven't gone silly and paid over the odds for average players.

That's because they couldn't even if they wanted to. That's like me saying I'm glad I never went out with Rachel Stevens.

[grizfoot]

No mate, if the player you want is available and you have the money, then sign him. Go looking for cheap deals and you'll get nowhere.

Some of our best players of the last decade have come on cheap deals. When we've started to spend a bit more money that's where it tends to have fallen apart.

I'd love to see us spend a lot of money on new players. But paying over the odds for a player just inflates the price further and other clubs get the information that your a club who is willing to pay over the odds for a player and then any further transfer becomes more expensive. It's clear the we are trying to follow the "Arsenal model" of investing in young players and then selling them when their value escalates. Sadly football and business go hand-in-hand at present and the model just mentioned is the obvious one to take for a business point of view.

[Gav]

Great thread

Reason to be optimistic:

Premiership campaign ahead, we could have been in the championship.

40 million from sky in the bank, bumley have just had to sell to balance the books after a recent premiership campaign.

Rochina and Formica are 2 exciting prospects, we’ll see more of them next season.

Performance at Wolves in the last match was terrific, more of the same hopefully.

We could be Sheff Weds, Preston or Sheff Utd in the depths of lower leagues.

[tony gale's mic]

Great thread

Reason to be optimistic:

Premiership campaign ahead, we could have been in the championship.

40 million from sky in the bank, bumley have just had to sell to balance the books after a recent premiership campaign.

Rochina and Formica are 2 exciting prospects, we’ll see more of them next season.

Performance at Wolves in the last match was terrific, more of the same hopefully.

We could be Sheff Weds, Preston or Sheff Utd in the depths of lower leagues.

Hate to break it to you but there's only one place (or should I say a couple of dozen accounts) that £40 million from Sky is going to end up, and it isn't in our bank account.

[True Blue & White]

Some of our best players of the last decade have come on cheap deals. When we've started to spend a bit more money that's where it tends to have fallen apart.

I'd love to see us spend a lot of money on new players. But paying over the odds for a player just inflates the price further and other clubs get the information that your a club who is willing to pay over the odds for a player and then any further transfer becomes more expensive. It's clear the we are trying to follow the "Arsenal model" of investing in young players and then selling them when their value escalates. Sadly football and business go hand-in-hand at present and the model just mentioned is the obvious one to take for a business point of view.

When you buy 15-25 cheap players like we have in the last 10 years the law of averages would suggest a few of them would come good. Far more of the cheapos we've brought in have turned out to be complete w*nk than decent though. For every Chris Samba there's plenty more Basturks, Goulons and Linganzis.

As for spending a little more and falling apart well Andy Cole did all right for us I'd argue and he is our still our record signing at a pathetic (by today's standards) £8m. Kalic hasn't been worth the £6m we paid but still clearly better than what we have got fro free. But, I think you'll find there IS a general correlation between us spending more and getting a better player.

Our top flight existence is owed to this very fact!!! Remember when we were the guys being accussed of 'buying success'? With Jack's millions we went from lower league obscurity to Premier League champions so to now say we have a poor record of spending moeny and have done better with freebies and loans is short sighted at the least.

[tony gale's mic]

Some of our best players of the last decade have come on cheap deals. When we've started to spend a bit more money that's where it tends to have fallen apart.

That was with the old club structure in place - good manager, JW, old methods of looking for players etc etc.

Now everything's changed, so using what happened previously isn't really accurate.

Generally speaking good players cost more money. We should have well over £20m when Kalinic leaves. We're in urgent need of some quality.

[Gav]

Hate to break it to you but there's only one place (or should I say a couple of dozen accounts) that £40 million from Sky is going to end up, and it isn't in our bank account.

It matters not TGM, if that 40m wasn't coming this season we'd have lost most of our first team squad, so thats a positive surely.

[Paul]

What's your reason to be optimistic for the season?

I shall be in my usual seat. I will enjoy the games when we play well. I will enjoy the games when we win regardless of the performance. I will be miserable, cross or angry if we play badly or are thrashed by the opposition. Nothing has changed.

Reasons for optimism? None. I think we may be relegated, whereas I usually look up the table I shall spend most of the season looking down.

Have we signed anyone yet? I truely don't know as I've stopped reading about transfers.

[den]

Some of our best players of the last decade have come on cheap deals. When we've started to spend a bit more money that's where it tends to have fallen apart.

I'd love to see us spend a lot of money on new players. But paying over the odds for a player just inflates the price further and other clubs get the information that your a club who is willing to pay over the odds for a player and then any further transfer becomes more expensive. It's clear the we are trying to follow the "Arsenal model" of investing in young players and then selling them when their value escalates. Sadly football and business go hand-in-hand at present and the model just mentioned is the obvious one to take for a business point of view.

You mention Arsenal as the way to go - but Arsenal watch the youngsters they want, then pay the money and Arsenal pay a lot of money for those lads. They don't take a view that he's the best kid we've seen this year, but if we can't get him cheap, then we don't want him. Which is what I'm saying and is different to what you're saying.

Put it this way. We need a big target man. Let's say for the sake of argument that Crouch became available and Kean wanted him. Spurs will do a deal at £10m, but Kean only values him at £8m. Rovers have done their summer business and have £12m profit on their dealings so far. Why shouldn't rovers pay £10m? Wouldn't it be crazy in the scenario to walk away from the deal - and where would that get us?